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or catbois!

Interesting. I'll have to check that myself since the last time I ran Posi I was getting extra damage against the abominations.

Yeah, and somebody on the Titanic said, That Iceberg isn't so Big

Somebody on the Hindenburg said, That Flame is nothing to worry about

Somebody on Champions Online said, Sure, lets hire Bill Roper!

Somebody on Tabula Rasa said, Lets Focus on PvP play on a game engine that wasn't designed for it!

Somebody in Britian once said, We have a achieved peace in our time

Okay, I am blowing this way out of proportion with these rather dark, or just flat morbid one liners... but the Defender Vigilance is bad on so many levels I don't even know where to start.

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I think some of the inherent powers do need to be looked at, like Vigilance, and like Gauntlet, perhaps to help separate the class behavior as Going Rogue approaches.

Specifically for me, I'd like to see an overhaul where Defenders get a Domination style power that activates the currently Epic Power Choice Power Boost. I know of very few defenders that have taken anything other than the Power Boost epic power... and putting that effect into the inherent would help Defenders separate themselves and explore other epic power sets.

A GTS 250 is basically a die-shinked version of the 9800, which ranks about the same as a RadeonHD 4850 in real-world performance. Which is, again, about the starting point specified during HeroCon for Ultra Mode gaphics. If you check out comparisons of graphics cards, like this one: http://hardocp.com/article/2009/10/1..._5750_review/9 : you'll see that the GTS 250 plays about in the same price bracket as the RadeonHD 5750, but the two tend to trade-off performance in existing games. Although this does seem to be more a case of deliberate code sabotage in games built under the "the way it's meant to be played program from Nvidia. e.g. Borderlands. e.g. Batman Arkham Asylum. e.g. Resident Evil 5.

Off the cuff then, I'd say you shouldn't have anything to worry about. Actually, given Nvidia's recent history with game developers, and the comments from Positron at the start of thread, I am a bit concerned about Nvidia's involvement and what it could mean for Radeon cards in the expansion next year. I'd rather not see a game artificially limited to running 20fps on Crossfired RadeonHD 3870's and Crossfired RadeonHD 4850's... which is what Borderlands does. And don't get me started on the shading issues if you use Xp.

I'm having to head tilt here on this one. The 9600 GSO 512mb is reported to have a fill rate of 10,400 MPixels; 15,600 Mtexels , and 57.6gb/s of bandwidth with a 256-bit memory bus. However, the one you picked up is listed as having the 192-bit memory bus, which means that your memory bandwith is going to take a hit. It's probably going to be around 38.4gb/s

The card you bought is also reported to have the slower core and shader clocks; Core 550MHz; Shader Clock 1375MHz; which means it could have the lower MPixel performance of 4,800 or 8,800 MPixels; but it is also reported to have the increased shader count from the GSO 384mb with 96 stream processors... soo the theoretical MTexel performance is supposed to be around 26,400 MTexels'.

The RadeonHD 4850 that Ghost Falcon used as a baseline during HeroCon has a fill rate of 10,000 MPixels; 25,000 MTexels, and 64gb/s of bandwidth.

On paper, the card you bought isn't as powerful as a RadeonHD 4850, and you will be taking a hit in the memory bandwidth. Depending on how Going Rogue stacks up, whether or not it's Texture or Shader limited, could very well depend on whether or not this card will be powerful enough.

If Going Rogue is more shader dependent, and you lay off the AA and AF, you should be able to run Ultra Mode. If Going Rogue relies on textured models as much as Shaders... I seriously doubt the cards capability to run Ultra Mode.

Seems about right: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=88&pgno=7

The 9800 was, on paper, about the same as a currently shipping GTS 250, so the GTX series should be a step beyond.

Actually, we do know a lot. We do know that according to the Slides from HeroCon that CoH UltraMode is not tied to DirectX, so you don't need a Microsoft NT6 system with DirectX 11 (that's Vista / Win7).

We also know that according to Ghost Falcon a RadeonHD 4850 1gb can run everything UltraMode has, but that to make sure everything worked properly during the demo, they were running with Crossfired 4870 X2's. So we also know that the new graphics mode seems to be able to leverage multiple graphics cards, while the current graphics engine really... does not.

What we don't know is what the resolution scaling is. I suspect given the way the RadeonHD 4850 performs in other games that the scaling is roughly 1080p (1900*1080 or 1900*1200) with no AA or AF applied. Nor do we know what the processor is, but that probably won't matter. Going Rogue is bringing a new graphics system, but it's not bringing a new computational engine, and according to the developers at HeroCon, that means that the central processor requirements won't be changing (much). Since OpenGL should put the brunt of the graphics load on the graphics card, and not the processor, we can pretty much use existing player knowledge about processors.

We also know that it's memory profile isn't really going to be topping 2gb. While CoH could require more than 2gb of memory while running on Cider or Cedega, mostly because I think x86 OSX is now compiled against x86-64, but also because consumer oriented distributions like Mepis Linux have started carrying PAE supporting kernels as standard for 32bit installs. I could also talk about how only ATi has 64bit Linux drivers worth talking about, but that's going a bit far for the purposes of Going Rogue. Who knows, by the time the expansion launches, Nvidia could fix their glaring driver issues.

On Windows NT systems though, if you hand the Operating system more than 2.5gb of memory, of which you would have to have more than 2.5gb without really awkward memory slotting, the system won't read more than 2.5. I should know. I tried feeding Win7 4gb of memory on both an Intel I7 and an AMD Phenom setup.

While yes, a lot of the pre-installed Win7 installs on consumer computers are now thankfully the 64bit versions, which can access more memory, there's still the problem that most of the Windows Xp and Vista installs are the 32bit version. So I don't realistically see Paragon Studios developing a game that requires more memory than a 32bit Windows system can access.

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So, if your shopping this Christmas for a Going Rogue system, make sure you have at least 2gb of system memory. Make sure you have a RadeonHD 4850 or better graphics card, and if you've got a processor that doesn't say Sempron, Celeron, or Pentium, you should be fine.

I think the big processor question right now is the Athlon II series. I think they should be good enough, but I haven't actually gotten a hold of one myself to see how it stacks up as a budget unit. I'd say avoid buying Athlon II this Christmas and go straight for the Phenoms if you are on a tight budget, and I7 if you have a bit more cash in the stocking.

beg the developers for a ribbon based control set?

I'm not a market analyst, but I've been advocating Hamidon dropping purple recipes as a "solution" since... well. About the same time purple recipes entered the game.

Also: BaB's: can we go on blaming Jack for the final implementation of the I9 Hamidon raid then? I'd really hate to take that off of my list of things to illogically rant at a single person about list :P

sounds like Ubuntanium : Not so rare. No so tough. And in an ugly shade of brown, commonly known as the color of a vet's fore-arm.

Adam Titanium!

*pulls up Google and searchs for SackThing Psychiatrists.*

Don't worry, with therapy, and time, you'll come to forgive yourself for seeing such a horrible film!

I was wondering about that line as well.

Spots the sackthingy with something golden in it's little sack-type... sackhands...

hey... heeeeeyyy... yooooooooouuu thaaaaare!!!!!!

*pounces and crashes into the bar, wiping out half a dozen bottles of cherry juice*

*spots the yarn through the catnip induced haze and pounces, missing the yarn but plowing straight into DJ-Shecky and knocking him over, letting go of the ribbon grenade which bounces, and then in a strange twist of fate, lands in DJ-Shecky's lap and drops down his pants as the timer ticks off... meanwhile the kitty repounces the yarn ball, oblivious to the location of the ribbon grenade, and misses again, plowing into the piano man*

Hoold... Hoooold stiiiaaaallll... baaaaalll... I... I ... I goott gooot goot got yaaaaa ya!!!

*REPOUNCES the yarn ball yet again*

Ack! you... you ... you ... l lurrrve sackypeople, they the bestest sackythingys in the whooooooleeeee wiiirld...

*lets go of the motorcycle and it accidentally falls over trapping Fedor underneath, while the kitty lurches around the bar declaring everything, including the potted plant, to be a bhestest frien in ze whooole whiiirrrld...*

*spots the Catnip Grenade rolling across the floor, and remembering the events of earlier, whips out a gas-mask and puts it on!*

Not this time!

*pulls out a ribbon pistol, selects -bon ribbons with +3mag hold and fires on DJ Shecky!*

*CRASHES through the back of the bar on a motorcycle festooned with Pink Ribbons, bowling the Pogothulu over*

Paws up where I can see them! I'm looking for the Golden Rook! Talk and I won't be forced to use this!

*holds up a ribbon grenade!*

Fair point. That's what I get for just going by the title of the thread.