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My guess would be because they were focusing on dogs/wolves at the time. The lion probably came along a bit late. A black cat would have made more sense.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
But stream of consciousness here. Why is a big black barking dog a pet for Dark Domination? Seriously? Is there something here I am missing, besides it was easy to port from beast mastery?
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| Drowning in Blood? Okay, I have not run it yet, so this is hearsay. But I heard the experience earned is less than DFB for the time invested. Could the Devs really have missed that T-ball practice lob over the plate? |
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Ran DiB once last night. There's two AVs at the end, and they're pretty freakin' impressive too. I did this on my level 27 street justice/ninjitsu stalker (made 25 Monday night and 26 and 27 on a Synapse earlier Tuesday). I gained more than half a level, maybe 3/4s of a level, which isn't bad at 27 I guess. I don't think I would have gained more experience on a DFB run at level 27.
Anyway I liked DiB, I'll be running it more.
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You haven't run the Underground Trial yet, then?
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Drowning in Blood? Okay, I have not run it yet, so this is hearsay. But I heard the experience earned is less than DFB for the time invested.
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No I have run the Underground Trial. That is the level 50 fighting a Hami sized DE thingy that confuses everyone? I even have a tier 4 Clarion I use just for that room and the Master Badge (on one character at least)
Drowning in Blood (DIB) is the new LFG for 15+ that follows up Death From Below (DFB). hearsay is the experience earning is meh. My hope is that it (DIB) is at least worth as many bars as DFB for time invested. Otherwise I will still be using DFB way more than I am happy with for 15-22, and sometimes to crank the last few bars of a level while I wait for TFs, friends, etc.
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The Black Dog gives some basis to it. Ultimately, I'm not sure there is or particularly needs to be a strong reason. Why does Fire Control get imps?
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
But stream of consciousness here. Why is a big black barking dog a pet for Dark Domination? Seriously? Is there something here I am missing, besides it was easy to port from beast mastery?
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Fire Control should totally have fire salamanders.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
The Black Dog gives some basis to it. Ultimately, I'm not sure there is or particularly needs to be a strong reason. Why does Fire Control get imps?
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my lil RWZ Challenge vid
Nice, thanks Hopeling. Between that and the Hell Hound I have a basis and can run character ideas. I can understand Imps, even if I do not love how they define the set or the fact they crazy. The Hound defines the set as well, and so I am not ecstatic, but at least now I can frame a reference on it. Like so many things in the game, the more they define it the more they limit it, but if your concept is what they wrote for you get to do the happy dance.
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And you have no problem with it? It's twice as long (or more, if the league is trying for badges) as the other trials, for similar rewards.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
No I have run the Underground Trial. That is the level 50 fighting a Hami sized DE thingy that confuses everyone? I even have a tier 4 Clarion I use just for that room and the Master Badge (on one character at least)
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Maybe it's time for pet customization or options for all pet casters because that would be very cool
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Originally Posted by Organica
Fire Control should totally have fire salamanders.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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I LOVE the Underground Trial. Although, yes, it takes an hour and a half or longer. It is very well written. It is challenging. It has variation. It fits the story very well. |
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
And you have no problem with it? It's twice as long (or more, if the league is trying for badges) as the other trials, for similar rewards.
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Compare it to TPN. Repetitive. Then there is the problem with TPN repetitiveness. But I think what really bothers me about the TPN is the repetitiveness. Seriously though, with TPN you run from one building to another ad infinitum. I always think the Benny Hill theme song should be playing. Bldg, bldg, bldg, fight AV, bldg, bldg, bldg, blfgdh, Fight AV, fgh sdfg sdfg fgght AV. Then there is the TPN glitch that kicks leagues. The two cheat mechanics of flooring everyone's defense and a thousand foot unresistable random boot to the head are really masterstrokes of incompetence. It was like the writer woke up after a 3 week drunk. Huh, this is due tomorrow, but it looks like I just have an idea for one bldg fight and the AV picked. Huh, okay, i'll just repeat the bldg fight 20 times and have them fight the AV a few times. I don't know how Bob got those pink patches, so I'll just floor everyones defense and blame it on psychics. And I'll just randomly kill a league members randomly and blame it on the AV. Cool, done in less than 3 hours. I'm going to get another bottle.
The Underground Trial is very well written, with variation in the journey that takes you from the surface to deep into the depths of the world. There is a logical progression of it, with a smart league the challenges are difficult but not overwhelming. I got all but one badge (killing the AV at the end in the right time window) on my first run through it. There is no glitch that kicks leagues. There is a guarantee of a Rare or Very Rare at the end. It is a fair return for a fair time investment.
Sure, if I have less than an hour, BAF or LAM. But if the league even looks like it might be dialed in I'll jump onto a Underground. The TPN? Only if I have tons of time and have done every other trial for the day. or a friend is leading it and I want to lend a hand. Gotta support your channel mates after all.
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This would be a quality of life improvement that would go so far. I can see the difficulties. But I see so many possibilities to. My personal version of Venture Bros' Monarch. (Completely different of course. But there is no match for a crazy mastermind with matching minion uniforms. The Riddler, The Penguin, The Monarch, the list goes on, and I could be rolling masterminds for a year lol.)
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
Maybe it's time for pet customization or options for all pet casters because that would be very cool
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Ok, so what you're saying is variety and story trumps reward/time? |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I LOVE the Underground Trial. Although, yes, it takes an hour and a half or longer. It is very well written. It is challenging. It has variation. It fits the story very well.
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And if DiB is worse than DfB...
...Drowning in Blood must be REALLY bad. Because...well, Death From Below is pretty poor in those subjects, as it is.
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Exactly this.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
My guess would be because they were focusing on dogs/wolves at the time. The lion probably came along a bit late. A black cat would have made more sense.
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But judging by this, you're just a hypocrite.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Drowning in Blood (DIB) is the new LFG for 15+ that follows up Death From Below (DFB). hearsay is the experience earning is meh. My hope is that it (DIB) is at least worth as many bars as DFB for time invested. Otherwise I will still be using DFB way more than I am happy with for 15-22, and sometimes to crank the last few bars of a level while I wait for TFs, friends, etc.
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I'm not sure that's even particularly hypocritical, if he really does like UG, it's merely inconsistent (and since when are we human beings logical and consistent in our preferences?). And I'm not sure it's really that inconsistent, either, since UG is an enjoy-it-once-in-a-while thing, while DiB is an play-it-several-times-in-a-row-on-every-new-character thing.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
But judging by this, you're just a hypocrite.
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I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he's complaining about the rewards/time of something he hasn't even run, and then claiming rewards/time doesn't matter to him as long as the content is good in the next breath. It's pretty apparent he just cares about the farming utility of the trial.
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Originally Posted by Hopeling
I'm not sure that's even particularly hypocritical, if he really does like UG, it's merely inconsistent (and since when are we human beings logical and consistent in our preferences?). And I'm not sure it's really that inconsistent, either, since UG is an enjoy-it-once-in-a-while thing, while DiB is an play-it-several-times-in-a-row-on-every-new-character thing.
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I hate to have to quote myself. I realize it was not a three sentence post, but I very clearly stated why I believe that aside from the story and quality of the Underground Trial, the Rewards are commensurate to the time invested. I am sorry if this was unclear to you. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
There is a guarantee of a Rare or Very Rare at the end. It is a fair return for a fair time investment.
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PS, Do not call people names like hypocrite. Especially me. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
But judging by this, you're just a hypocrite.
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This. Do not do this.
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As it is possible to get rare/very rare rewards in the other trials (in less time), the difference is not really that large. And as you still have yet to run Drowning in Blood, my point is still valid. You care nothing for the actual content, just the rewards.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I hate to have to quote myself. I realize it was not a three sentence post, but I very clearly stated why I believe that aside from the story and quality of the Underground Trial, the Rewards are commensurate to the time invested. I am sorry if this was unclear to you.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
PS, Do not call people names like hypocrite. Especially me. Thank you.
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Hmm. Let me see if I understand this. You called me a hypocrite, and I pointed out a very clear statement I made that invalidated any reason for you calling me a hypocrite. |
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
As it is possible to get rare/very rare rewards in the other trials (in less time), the difference is not really that large. And as you still have yet to run Drowning in Blood, my point is still valid. You care nothing for the actual content, just the rewards.
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I gather from the paragraph above that you do not agree with my logic about the rewards/time metric, so you say "the difference is not that large". this basically frees you up to invalidate my opinion and still stand by you calling me a hypocrite.
In lofty Olde Englishe "Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade."
The Oxford English Dictionary records a more forceful variant, "to call a spade a bloody shovel", attested since 1919.
But what you have done is bend all the tines on my pitchfork together and called it a shovel. And that is just wrong. My opinion is valid, it is different than yours. But do not invalidate my opinion and then call me a hypocrite because you do not think my opinion matters. It is uncouth, and uncool. And more importantly, it ain't a bloody shovel.
One comment about the Drowning in Blood trial: the buff rewards for completing it last until level 30. (Those from Death from Below only last until 22, so you're still getting SOMETHING out of the experience that you can't get elsewhere.)
You're also able to use any powers you've earned by level 25 in the DiB trial, so you most likely have a semi-solid attack chain to rely on instead of waiting for the same 2-3 attacks to recharge.
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That's an interesting short story and all, and I totally read it. I did. But you're still ignoring the fact that you're whining about reward/time of a trial you haven't done. But, wait, I thought you valued "Well written, challenging, and varied" content. Shouldn't you, you know, actually play this content before complaining about it?
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Hmm. Let me see if I understand this. You called me a hypocrite, and I pointed out a very clear statement I made that invalidated any reason for you calling me a hypocrite.
I gather from the paragraph above that you do not agree with my logic about the rewards/time metric, so you say "the difference is not that large". this basically frees you up to invalidate my opinion and still stand by you calling me a hypocrite. In lofty Olde Englishe "Philippus aunswered, that the Macedonians wer feloes of no fyne witte in their termes but altogether grosse, clubbyshe, and rusticall, as they whiche had not the witte to calle a spade by any other name then a spade." The Oxford English Dictionary records a more forceful variant, "to call a spade a bloody shovel", attested since 1919. But what you have done is bend all the tines on my pitchfork together and called it a shovel. And that is just wrong. My opinion is valid, it is different than yours. But do not invalidate my opinion and then call me a hypocrite because you do not think my opinion matters. It is uncouth, and uncool. And more importantly, it ain't a bloody shovel. |
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
That's an interesting short story and all, and I totally read it. I did.
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And he still ignores it. When people do that, you know that they have no argument against it. That means that I am correct. Which, in turn, means that you are a hypocrite. Don't be blue, Centurion. It happens to most people sooner or later. Play the content, and come back with your opinion of it.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Read this. Stop calling me a hypocrite. I have proven you to be a Stone Liar.
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I have only started delving into i22 content. There are parts of i6 I'm still finding lol.
But stream of consciousness here. Why is a big black barking dog a pet for Dark Domination? Seriously? Is there something here I am missing, besides it was easy to port from beast mastery?
Drowning in Blood? Okay, I have not run it yet, so this is hearsay. But I heard the experience earned is less than DFB for the time invested. Could the Devs really have missed that T-ball practice lob over the plate?
I feel I should have more, but I don't. 2 nights in a row I've had a very unsuccessful time getting Synapse completed, so that is what i've been doing. If anyone is interested and on Virtue at about 6pm Pacific Time shoot me a tell lol. Gonna start early tonight, and build the team myself. 2 nights of tries with no DPS (aside from my blaster) is getting old.
Oh, I guess the markets should be swinging in interesting patterns what with being able to change recipes around? I do not marketeer myself, since I manage auctions at my work and wont do it in game. But that should be interesting times eh?