WST -- Ill-conceived.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

What do you mean, "too?"

Originally Posted by BigFish

I read it, and omitted the parts that didn't deal with developing the Incarnate System. Forgive me for not retreating to my fainting couch because I don't agree with you

Originally Posted by BigFish

Ooh! Now you're not just defending the Developers, but anyone who disagrees with me?

Originally Posted by Bosstone

...Okay, let's try it in simpler terms.

See Johnny play.
See Johnny play MMO.
Play, Johnny, play.
See Johnny want the best stuff.
Team, Johnny, team.
Johnny spits on teamers.
See Johnny solo.
Solo, Johnny, solo.
Johnny can only get second-best stuff.
See Johnny post.
Flame, Johnny, flame.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

What makes you think you need forgiveness from me, when you're disagreeing with something I wrote you admit you didn't actually read. I'm not even sure that counts as actual disagreement here on Earth. I'm not even sure what specifically it is you're disagreeing with, much less whether I actually said it.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

You confuse the best defense with a really good offense.

Originally Posted by Mylia

One of these days Arcana...one of these days, straight to the Moon!

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

What do you mean, "too?"

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

Hawr!

Well played.

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

At least as far as I'm concerned. With IOs, I can use them or not use them and still get a feeling of completion. With end-game, not using it robs me of that feeling.

Originally Posted by Mylia

Hey Goat since I hero worship...can I worship you also since I know you are on the Triumph server and elusive.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat

Not all that elusive- you can generally find me idling at the Sharkhead Black Market (much less crowded than Cap, conveniently located MA building one leap away) most evenings I log in. Although lately I'm playing catchup to some friends in That Other Big Game and haven't been on much....so maybe I am elusive after all. =P

But yeah, hero worship always welcome, my ego is a like a starving baby bird, ever desperate for sustenance! =P

Originally Posted by Eva Destruction

As opposed to a handful of shiny missions that require you to zone twelve times, just to click two blinkies and beat up four EBs (If you use your mission drop you only have to zone ten times, click one blinky and beat up two EBs) that you have to repeat on every character before you can even start to get anywhere? Yes, I would rather they just slap something together. Don't get me wrong, the Trapdoor and Honoree/Holtz encounters are a neat change of pace, but the first mission, the "unique" maps and the cutscene are frills that probably took more resources than everything else in the arc. So yes, I would rather have something half-***ed now than wait six months so they can tweak maps and add special effects to the bad guys.

Don't forget, you still have the alternative of repeating the WST over and over, and have been explicitly told there is another alternative coming, so if a stop-gap solo alternative is no more imaginative or "fresh" than the stop-gap team method you don't have to do it.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

Your reasoning is completely arbitrary.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

Why? This is where you lose me. You are perfectly fine with not having purple enhancements, but for some reason for the incarnate enhancement you MUST have the purple one?

Your reasoning is completely arbitrary.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

None of this precludes a solo path alternative. But its not easy to build for a number of reasons. It can quickly degenerate to trivial farming (something that is often completely unavoidable) and it can be very difficult to balance against the reward generation rate in the teamed content. It can be easy to make the mistake of making a solo path that is tuned for solo progress rates that inadvertently creates an exploitable teamed path that is even faster, and contrawise it can be just as easy to make a solo path that exists but is impractical to execute. And everyone thinks they have the easy solution to this one: just make one they are personally comfortable with, and handwave all other problems away as being unimportant.

The devs don't have that option.

Originally Posted by BigFish

Try having an opinion get violently attacked. Would you just passively let people pile on without trying to defend yourself?

Sorry, but I am not going to do that

Originally Posted by tanstaafl

What's hard to understand? Incarnate is a level shift, level 51.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

So you just start flailing wildly at anyone who seems an opportunistic target?

I don't care that you're an ***hole. I'm an ***hole. You, however, are just being childish and making a fool of yourself. It's pathetic.

Originally Posted by BigFish

I disagree with people who make blatantly dismissive comments about a differing opinion. If that makes me a childish fool, I can live with that

Originally Posted by Bosstone

To step away from the silliness for a bit, I think what set BigFish off was this part specifically:Somehow, he got the impression that this, which just explains why it's not a simple task, is actually arguing that the devs will not implement a solo option due to the difficulty.

Naturally it says absolutely nothing of the sort.

Of course, Paragon may still choose not to implement a solo option, and it may indeed be because of the difficulty of the task, but more specifically because they may decide that the effort is not worth the potential return. "More trouble than it's worth" springs to mind. I personally hope this isn't the case, but there is certainly a rational reason to avoid doing something difficult other than that they are chicken and want to spit on JFK's grave.

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

All it basicly does is give a boost to your damage, accuracy and control durations. It's just another set bonus.

Originally Posted by Bosstone

You're entitled to your own opinion. You're not entitled to your own facts.

Originally Posted by BigFish

And I still don't think that copying the endgame content from other MMOs, which is far from difficult, is an acceptable solution to a problem that hadn't existed for the seven previous years

Go ahead and keep being dismissive. I'm not going away

Originally Posted by Eiko-chan

No, it's not. Two reasons.

First, Incarnate Enhancements are not considered, by the developers, as "optional". They've already stated that they will be balancing "Incarnate content" (whatever that means) to assume Incarnate Enhancements.

Second, Rare and Very Rare boosts aren't just bigger numbers - they provide a unique boost not available anywhere else. And what's more, that boost is a virtual "level".

I'm actually okay with not getting a purple Alpha Enhancement - the extra numbers I can live without. Locking the Rare, and the Level Shift, away from me is what I really object to.