New Power set rumors.
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8_Ball,
Posted on: 2006-01-02 21:56 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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Something else that might come down the pike with Shields...
Customizable powers/weapons.
I mean, it's entirely a guess, but if and when States rolls this out, does he boat anchor everyone with a lil' round shield? Some medieval surfboard? Or does he open this up for the folks, thusly showing they can open up some weapon selection options for the rest of the sets, as well as some customizable powers for the non-weapon types like color changes.
Sounds mighty sexy if you ask me.
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Well, he has said that he wants to get a signature weapon system into the game this year. It was in the "Ask Statesman-Answers thread" in response to a question about the ugly AR gun.
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Why would it be Defense based? Sheilds are all about THEM getting hit instead of YOU. It should be Resist based.
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Defensor used a shield, too. He was one of those lame-o "non-US-centric" heroes they whipped up to compete in the Infinity Gems game between Thanos and The Gamemaster. 
Props to me for useless knowledge. (If I remember the comic correctly, and this is going back a loooong time now... I think She Hulk (in her FF4 days) was on Defensor's team with 2 other heroes... and they were opposed by a team with Daredevil and 3 other heroes. DD ended up winning that piece of the golden globe with a well timed billy-club/cable throw to lasso it at the last second.
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You're like half right. It was the Contest of Champions and did not involve Thanos or the Infinity gems. And you combined two different fights. Daredevil was in the arctic battle. She-Hulk was indeed with Defensor in the Old West town. It came down between her and Iron Man for the globe and Iron Man got it.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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Tankers - oh god PUHLEASEE tankers!!! Defenders already got compensated with sonics and archery. Don't give them another powerset when Tankers need some fresh blood desperately!!!!
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Defensor used a shield, too. He was one of those lame-o "non-US-centric" heroes they whipped up to compete in the Infinity Gems game between Thanos and The Gamemaster. Props to me for useless knowledge. (If I remember the comic correctly, and this is going back a loooong time now... I think She Hulk (in her FF4 days) was on Defensor's team with 2 other heroes... and they were opposed by a team with Daredevil and 3 other heroes. DD ended up winning that piece of the golden globe with a well timed billy-club/cable throw to lasso it at the last second.
[Good Lord... I'm sad...]
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You're like half right. It was the Contest of Champions and did not involve Thanos or the Infinity gems. And you combined two different fights. Daredevil was in the arctic battle. She-Hulk was indeed with Defensor in the Old West town. It came down between her and Iron Man for the globe and Iron Man got it.
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Dude, Iron Man hax.
Also: I hear shield, I think Captain America, and he doesn't really fit into the supposed Tanker mold. Ironically, he does fit into the high-defenses/medium damage category, but he's clearly not a Superman/Colossus type, which Tankers are meant to be.
That's kinda weird, actually.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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CoV love too please!
CoH has a wider diversity in powerset combinations than CoV already.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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Tankers - oh god PUHLEASEE tankers!!! Defenders already got compensated with sonics and archery. Don't give them another powerset when Tankers need some fresh blood desperately!!!!
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Wow. Did you even bother to think about what you were saying? How the hell would shields even be a DEFENDER set?
To clarify - He meant defense as in the Tanker primaries.
I'm dissappointed about the lack of shields in I7, but I'll be happy whenever we get 'em. Hopefully, since States didn't deny new powersets for CoH, just shields, we can get those damn pistols in the new issue.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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CoV love too please!
CoH has a wider diversity in powerset combinations than CoV already.
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Shaddup, you! CoV is already getting 40-50 content in I7... including Ancillary Pools...don't complain about a lack of powers in CoV yet. That's for I8 
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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/em Rolls eye. Yeah, cuz tanks need even more weapon primaries.
Oh, come on, if you don't give scrappers a new secondary, how are you going to nerf anything else? Aren't you getting just a little tired of nerfing the same 4 scrapper secondaries over and over and over and over and over and over again? If not, well, do you honestly expect people to keep playing scrappers if you don't give them anything new? Ever? Scrappers have the LEAST number of powersets out of everything. Fewest primaries, multiplied by the fewest secondaries, multiplies by the fewest epics, means the least amount of options. If I were in charge I'd put a moritoriam on all new powersets until scrappers get at least 1 more of each and then another secondary to boot. Something's gotta grab the nerfbat aggro from regen or there won't be anything left.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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CoV love too please!
CoH has a wider diversity in powerset combinations than CoV already.
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Shaddup, you! CoV is already getting 40-50 content in I7... including Ancillary Pools...don't complain about a lack of powers in CoV yet. That's for I8
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Pfft. Ancillary pools, raising the cap to 50 and adding 40-50 content for CoV just brings it up to even with CoH....kinda.
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For shields, I do remember it being used by one of the villains.. I forget who though, but he used it like a phase shift where he cant do anything and I cant hit him. Twas pretty neat.
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I recently helped with the defeat Maestro mission and the Ascendants become invulerable after they turn into their Council logo-shaped shield.
Shield sets, meh, Pistols sets, WOOOOT 
50Soulsunder: DM/Regen Scrapper
50Limitshift: EM/WP Brute
Victoria Nox: Dark/Dark Dominator
And about 5 others that change constantly...
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Pistol-based heroes/villians:
Grifter (Pistol/Super Reflex) Image Comics :Wildcats #1
Ghost (Pistol/Dark Armor? w/ phase shift) Dark Horse Comics: Ghost #1
Nick Fury (Pistol/Devices) Marvel: Not sure of debute
Scourge (Pistol/Devices) Marvel: Debuted Iron Man #195
Jonah Hex (Pistol/Invuln.) DC (as seen on JLU)
Ghost Rider (Pistol/Dark Armor) Marvel (the Western one, not the guy on the motorcycle. Seen in the West Coast Avengers.)
Johnny Thunder (Pistol/Super Reflex) DC (The western one)
Vigelante (Pistol/Super Reflex) DC (as seen on JLU)
Adam Strange (Pistol/Super Reflex w/ Flight) DC
Crimson Avenger/Scarlet Avenger (Pistol/Devices) DC: The Crimson Avenger debuted in Detective Comics #20. For reference, Batman debuted in Detective Comics #27.
The Sandman [Original] (Pistols/Devices) DC: Debuted in Action Comics #40
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...and there were two "Vigilantes" in DC Comics, even.
Anyway, I doubt anyone can compile an equally long list of Spines Scrappers from the source material. Or Dark Melee. Kinetics? Radiation Emission? I can think of two "Earth Control" characters, and they were siblings...
EDIT: My point is, CoH has never felt bound to the source material. It's a superhero MMO, yes, but it's writing it's own canon as it goes.
States,
Could you confirm if there are *any* new power sets in I7?
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States,
Could you confirm if there are *any* new power sets in I7?
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i guess that is better than nothing.
pistol domies..... yummy!
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Scrappers have the LEAST number of powersets out of everything. Fewest primaries, multiplied by the fewest secondaries, [snip] means the least amount of options.
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Brutes have even less. Hence why I think both Brutes and Scrappers should get lightning melee.
As for new powersets in i7... Heh. Good joke. Lightning melee/armor, maybe as it was spoken of by Positron in CoV's beta as brute sets that were unfinished by the end of beta.
But I personally don't see us getting it. In fact, I don't see us getting much at all beyond CoV stuff, A couple Zones, (one accessible to heroes) and QoL changes... Which I find pretty amazing considering the fact that we aren't getting an 'update' till, what did CuppaJo say most recently? March? Painful wait. I already miss the old days of CoV, where people were so excited.
Any new sets in i7 - We'll see, but don't get your hopes up. Instead, PM Some dev's and see what you get.
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Neither are in I7?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Wait, what IS in I7?
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Why would it be Defense based? Sheilds are all about THEM getting hit instead of YOU. It should be Resist based.
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The dodging approach to defence isn't the only one there is.
The other way of looking at defence is that it provides some sort of shielding between you and danger, and that this shielding isn't foolproof. This fits perfectly with shields, which will (bar the shield breaking) either deflect an attack, or do nothing.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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I DO hope you meant to say "secondary set" for Scrappers. As a primary set, it would be too silly for words.
Of course, you did decide to take an excellent Blaster secondary (Trick Arrow) and make it an exclusive Defender primary.
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Why would it be Defense based? Sheilds are all about THEM getting hit instead of YOU. It should be Resist based.
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Parry from the BS set adds to defense.
Blocking with a shield is, effectively, parrying.
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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Tankers - oh god PUHLEASEE tankers!!! Defenders already got compensated with sonics and archery. Don't give them another powerset when Tankers need some fresh blood desperately!!!!
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Wow. Did you even bother to think about what you were saying? How the hell would shields even be a DEFENDER set?
To clarify - He meant defense as in the Tanker primaries.
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I know what he meant and you didn't need to clarify (or be condescending about it). My fear is I definitely can see shields becoming a primary or secondary defense powerset for Defenders especially because Defenders are all about physical group defense as well as buffs.
When I read this, I thought a primary shield powerset would be melee-driven (with solo defense capabilities for the hero) and the secondary set more group-targeted (variants of the group bubble shields used by controllers or a particular boomerang effect that can rebound and take down several foes at once).
If either powerset is assigned to tankers, there'll be more emphasis on damage, taunt and confuse (perhaps a rebounding knock to the head creates dizzying after effect as well as drawing aggro), and resist damage.
If either is assigned to Defenders, there'll be more emphasis on defense, knockback and to-hit debuffs and that just seems like a waste if shields are given over to Defenders.
In comparison, I think Defenders are way overcompensated right now with new powersets - namely Sonics and Archery. To be sure, 4 of the original 5 AT's benefitted from the two new powersets. Tankers were totally ignored and there really needs to be more incentive to play them.
if anything, I recommend restricting the use of shields to tankers (possibly scrappers, but I think new melee powersets would be better suited for them as an exclusive primary) and ignore the defenders this time around. Secondary shield powerset could be shared with blasters to help stall for time until defiance (*cough*) builds up and kicks in.
Just some random thoughts...
A blow on a shield still can shock, tire one out, etc. I agree its primary function is to have the blow hit something other than oneself.
Anyone who has fought, or observed fighting, in the SCO (Society For Creative Anachronism) or other medieval combat recreations that work at realistic combat will be brimful of observations about shields :-)
Dunno the current rules of the lists (I haven't been active in the SCA for decades) but in my day:
- one had to be specifically authorized to use the shield offensively (since it was far more dangerous than the wooden weapons used to strike...and SCA combat is full contact)
- shield snatching (using your shield to snag or pin an opponent's shield or weapon) was allowed, and shield punching/bashing (striking an oppoent's shield with the face of your own) was allowed. Striking with the edge of the shield was forbidden because it was so darn dangerous (which speaks well of using shield-edge strikes when it isn't a chivalrous sport that tries to avoid actual casualties on the field).
- most experienced fighters (and certainly most of the Knights) can demonstrate offensive shield maneuvers that would make one's hair stand on end.
A blow stopped by a shield still transmits shock (and even awe) though it ameliorates the lethality of the damage. It partakes of both parry and resistance - I think Force Field does too, doesn't it? On the other hand, I have cleverly parried head blows that were then slipped into my ribs by sufficiently skilled opponents (not that I was a very good fighter). Shields increase your defense, as it were, by tending to limits the available targets to a foe, like portable cover. Riot shields still have this functionality today.
My scrapper doesn't need an AoE. She IS an AoE.
would be cool to see it as a Scrapper Defensive secondary.
Then you could have a Sword/Shield Scrapper. Can always make that knight i've always wanted to do.
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We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change.
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Haha shields just a primary attack for scrappers. "I use this shield to bash the heck out of stuff. Oh no, they are throwing a knife at me...I better use my super reflexes so I don't get hit"
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Neither are in I7 (fyi)...BUT Geko and I have talked a little about Shields. We're thinking that Shields would be a Primary AND a Secondary Power Set for Tankers - and a Primary Set for Scrappers...but this thinking might change. I'd imagine the set is mostly about Defense, but again, nothing has been designed yet.
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Well, as for SHIELD's being "thought about", but nothing has been "devolped yet", leads me to several questions.
I believe it was GEKO who stated something about Electric Tankers, and some other AT being almost ready, while others were "close". (*Trying to find his post)
If Shield Tankers (which by the way has been mentioned as far back as Sept. '05) havent even been designed yet, then what is on the way?
Anyone wanna lay un us faithful subscribers some things that may be coming down the pipe line soon? Like I8? (Just a little table scrap to keep this puppy from starving)?
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Spark Blade looks like he could be a Katana/SR scrapper with his pistol being his special ability and electricity being is power customization.
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