Umbral

I believe that some powers did indeed have their endurance costs go up. However, I also believe that those same powers had their base damage and recharge values go up as well, thanks to the dam/rech/end formulas (one for ST and one for AoE) that the devs use as guidance.

You're right. Ish.

2000% regen (1900% +regen) is the cap for Dominators. It isn't, however, the cap for all ATs. Scrappers and Stalkers both cap at 3000% regen and Tankers and Brutes cap at 2500% regen. All other ATs cap at 2000%.

Now, as to whether that's attainable, it depends. A Dominator with slotted Drain Psyche hitting 9-10 targets can indeed reach the Dominator regen cap. For Tanks, Brutes, and others, it's not going to happen. A well slotted and enhanced WP Tanker is going to manage upwards of 1000% regen. That's not even halfway to the cap.

For all intents and purposes, you're not going to see the regen cap unless there are multiple empaths around you and buffing you like crazy.

Now, the real question is whether there is much of a point to focusing that much on regeneration. Short answer: no. Long answer: there are better things to enhance than your regeneration when you're already packing on 1000%. The comparative advantages of adding more regen to the massive piles of regen that some builds can manage just aren't there. 3 hp/sec may seem like a lot, until you realize that you're adding that 3 hp/sec to the 120 hp/sec that you had before.

If you really want to maximize your damage recovery, you'd be better served by increasing your hit points (since your regen is a function of max hp). If you instead want to maximize your survivability, you'd be better served by increasing your hit points and your defense (with defense mattering a bit more). Defense allows your regeneration to act upon smaller portions of incoming damage and functionally multiplies its overall effect.

The simple fix I'd use?

Switch out Resilience for Conserve Power and FA for Tactics. Pull the extra slot out of BU and put it into Tough for the Steadfast Prot 3% +def IO. Not only is Tactics a lot cheaper than FA, but you're also going to have Conserve Power to fall back on as well.

Conversely, if you really wanted FA (tohit debuff resistance is nice), you could drop Resilience for CP and pull the slot out of BU to put into Tough.

Of course, if you wanted to preserve that extra slot in BU, you could pull the Miracle Heal out of FH (and lose a bit of +regen) and put a Perf Shifter EndMod into PP. That could help out even more.

150 mill isn't going to do much more than simply allow you to frankenslot. Besides, it's not like it's particularly difficult to make money. Run some TFs, do some random rolls and save the recipes that you'll actually need. That, itself, should save you a good deal of money in the long run, not to mention that it will also generate you a good deal of money.

1 billion actually is a cheap IO build. At the very least, it's one that you can spend some of your money on now and grow into as you begin to afford the more expensive portions of it.

Well, you went with typed defense, which isn't really my preference, but, honestly, whether you go with typed or positional, it's largely a question of preference anyway.

The biggest suggestion I can make is to get more recharge. You could stand to switch the slotting on IH to 5 piece Doctored Wounds for the 5% +rech, which will do more for you than a +regen and a +recov set bonus (neither of which is going to do a substantial amount for your survivability. Losing a bit of +regen in IH isn't really going to affect you much anyways, because only 200% of the 800% +regen that IH provides baseline is enhanceable so it's a matter of a few hp/sec while IH is active which isn't going to amount to much.

I'd also get rid of Revive for Resilience to save you slot in Tough (and net you more s/l resist than you're currently packing). Revive is, as I see it, a completely useless power: it's an awaken on a 5 minute base recharge. It doesn't even provide you with immunity while you're standing up and doesn't have any secondary effects.

From what it looks like, you went more than a bit overkill on +recov. In general, you only need roughly 3 end/sec passive gain in order to be endurance sustainable. You're packing 3.74 end/sec (remember to factor in those Perf Shifter procs that each add .2 end/sec), and that's discounting the substantial endurance returns in MoG. Without Stamina, you'd still be largely endurance sustainable (you'd be a bit short on passive, but MoG's periodic +recov would put you in the black), so you might want to consider going without and using those power picks in a more useful way.

Similarly, I'm not entirely sure why you went with Blaze Mastery if you weren't going to pick up Fireball. That's really the only reason to pick up the pool, as far as I'm concerned. If you dropped Fitness and Blaze Mastery for Body Mastery (PP and CP) and Leadership (Tactics and Maneuvers), you'd be able to pick up more defense, more tohit, more recharge, and still be just as endurance sustainable, if not more. I'd also use that extra power pick (since you're giving up 5 powers and only picking 4) to take Hover. I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's an insanely good power pick, considering it's price, +def bonus, and ability to take an LotG +rech.

Here's the MA/Regen build I've got on hand. It manages more defense (and uses positional rather than typed, though it's not hard to switch out 6 piece ToD for 4 piece Kin Combat and a Mako's), perma-DP, and infinite endurance sustainability. It doesn't have Eagles' Claw for good reason: numerically, the attack is sub par compared to CAK. If you want to switch out Leaping for Flight, it's not hard to simply exchange CJ for Hover and SJ for Flight (and, yes, you'll want to keep Hover because of that sweet +rech and +def).

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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Martial Arts
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Storm Kick -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), RechRdx-I(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(45), Mrcl-Rcvry+(45), RgnTis-Regen+(46)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(9), Dct'dW-Rchg(11)
Level 4: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(11), EndMod-I(13)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(43), Winter-ResSlow(50)
Level 8: Crane Kick -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(13), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(15), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(17), T'Death-Dam%(17)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Dct'dW-Heal(21), Dct'dW-Rchg(21)
Level 12: Focus Chi -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(23), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel(A)
Level 16: Integration -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(25), Mrcl-Heal(27), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(27)
Level 18: Crippling Axe Kick -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(29), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(29), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), T'Death-Dam%(31)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(33), RechRdx-I(33)
Level 22: Boxing -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(23), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(25), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), T'Death-Dam%(48)
Level 24: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam(A), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(33), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(34)
Level 26: Dragon's Tail -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(34), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Oblit-%Dam(36)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Dct'dW-Heal(37), Dct'dW-Rchg(39)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(48), GftotA-Run+(50)
Level 32: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(48), GftotA-Run+(50)
Level 35: Tactics -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(40), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(40), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(40), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Build%(42)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(42), RechRdx-I(43), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-End%(A)
Level 47: Warriors Challenge -- Acc-I(A)
Level 49: Resilience -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 0: Ninja Run

It's probably upwards of a billion (I don't personally have a BS/Regen; I just know how to build them). I don't really pay attention to the prices of builds beyond what categorical exceptions are made. "Cheap" for me is no-PvP and no purps.

First off, give your posts a day to see if they'll collect some responses rather than simply starting more and more threads with newer iterations of your builds. Just because someone didn't respond within a couple hours on a Saturday night doesn't mean it won't get some attention if you wait a few. For many, if you continually create new threads when you could simply post in your existing thread, you will bother them and provide them with reason not to help you.

Now, for the criticisms:

Parry should be taken asap (rather than delayed until level 18), and it works better to give it a 5 piece Crushing Impact (for the 5% +rech set bonus) and an LotG +rech (learn to love this IO) for the additional recharge as well as melee defense.

Integration should get healing enhancement, not end redux. It costs a pittance of endurance and provides more enhanceable regen than either FH or Health. For the same reason, FH should get heal enhancement before Health. Integration>FH>Health.

Reconstruction doesn't need the 6th slot. That slot can be put to better use elsewhere.

You should take Instant Healing. It's more powerful over time than Fast Healing and Health combined, not to mention that it's a spot for another 5 piece Doctored Wounds set.

Revive is a wasted power pick. Slotting it is even more wasted. Unless you plan on dieing all the time, it's completely pointless.

I'm happy to see that you're actually slotting MoG now. Good for you. MoG is awesome. Giving it only a single slot makes it sad. A better slotting setup would be to give it 4 slots total: an LotG +rech, LotG def/rech, and 2 level 50 common rech IOs. You'll get some +rech, some +regen, and a faster recharge overall.

If you're going to take FA and slot it with Gaussian's, go all the way and give it the 6 piece. The 6 piece set bonus for that set is gold. All of the other bonuses are largely pointless for you.

Enhancing anything from Physical Perfection is going to provide you with laughable returns. The Perf Shifter proc (which should be the first thing it gets) provides more than any other slot could give you. In fact, the Perf Shifter proc provides more than any other slot could give you in Stamina and is on par with anything you could put in QR and both of those powers are stronger.

For Fitness, you don't need to take it asap. If anything, you can wait until very late in your build, if ever. You've got a more powerful version of Stamina available virtually right out of the box and the endurance costs on */Regen are some of the lowest of the powersets in the game. There are so many other more useful power picks you could possibly have made that early in the build. Not every build needs Stamina, fewer need it asap, and even fewer IO builds need it, much less that early.

If you're going to invest in an IO build, it makes sense to similarly invest in getting the passive accolades. Freedom Phalanx Reserve, Atlas Medallion, Task Force Commander, and Portal Jockey should all be standard selections for IO builds in Mids' because it doesn't make much sense to spend upwards of a billion inf without spending a few hours to get those accolades (which will provide some very remarkably increases in performance).

Here is my cheap BS/Regen build. It achieves universally better performance that yours for the exact same budget. Notice the lack of Fitness (QR + IO sets + accolades remove any need) and the presence of every Regen power except for Revive. There are also as many LotG +rech IOs as I could fit in (like I said, LotG +rech IOs are you bestest friends).

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Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Broad Sword
Secondary Power Set: Regeneration
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Hack -- Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(3), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(5), Achilles-ResDeb%(7)
Level 1: Fast Healing -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Mrcl-Heal(50)
Level 2: Reconstruction -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(7), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Dct'dW-Heal(9), Dct'dW-Rchg(11)
Level 4: Quick Recovery -- P'Shift-End%(A), P'Shift-EndMod(15), EndMod-I(17)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), Winter-ResSlow(11), Zephyr-Travel(13), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(13), LkGmblr-Def(15)
Level 8: Parry -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(19), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(21), LkGmblr-Rchg+(21)
Level 10: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal(25), Dct'dW-Rchg(25)
Level 12: Build Up -- AdjTgt-Rchg(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg(27)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Integration -- Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(31), RgnTis-Regen+(31), Heal-I(50)
Level 18: Whirling Sword -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 20: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(34), RechRdx-I(36)
Level 22: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Tough -- ImpArm-ResDam(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(36), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg(36), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 26: Disembowel -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(37), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), T'Death-Dam%(39)
Level 28: Instant Healing -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 30: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), GftotA-Run+(40), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Head Splitter -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(43), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Oblit-%Dam(45)
Level 35: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), GftotA-Run+(42), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(42)
Level 38: Moment of Glory -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(39), RechRdx-I(40), RechRdx-I(40)
Level 41: Focused Accuracy -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(42), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(48), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(48), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(48), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(46), EndMod-I(46)
Level 47: Resilience -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A)
Level 49: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 0: Ninja Run

For set bonuses, defense and recharge are your gods. Obliteration 6 piece in your PbAoEs, Touch of Death and Mako's Bite 6 piece in your ST attacks, and Doctored Wounds 5 piece in Recon, DP, and IH would be a good place to start. Defense pool powers like Maneuvers, Weave, and Combat Jumping are also great because they contribute defense and provide you with a place to slot an LotG +rech IO.

Where powers are concerned, it's pretty simple: don't take Slash from BS (and likely avoid Slice as well), and don't take Revive from Regen. Most everything else you're going to want to take. Some things you're going to want to take late and put no extra slots in (like Resilience), others you're going to want to take asap and slot out as quickly as possible (Integration, IH, MoG, Recon, DP).

For pools, pick 4 amongst Fighting, Leadership, Fitness, Speed, and Leaping/Flight. Fighting gets you Tough and Weave. Leadership gets you Maneuvers and Tactics. Fitness gets you Stamina (though, for most IO builds, you don't really need it if you take the Body Mastery APP). Speed gets you Hasten and possibly a trans power. Leaping/Flight gets you CJ/Hover and possibly a trans power.

For APPs, it depends on what you want to do with it. For AV soloing, Body Mastery is best for AVs because it gets you CP, FA, and/or Physical Perfection which will free up valuable power picks elsewhere in your build and help you make a more endurance sustainable character. For PvP, Weapon Mastery gets you Web Grenade and Targetting Drone (ranged immob = gold). For farming, Blaze Mastery gets you Fireball.

Try putting together a build of your own using this advice. From there, I can give you pointers and possibly one of my builds (depending on your budget and needs).

Considering you only have 8 posts and barely any rep yourself, it's not going to do much. Just letting you know.

Well, the only unenhanceable portions are Integration (50% unenhanceable, 100% enhanceable) and Instant Healing (600% unenhanceable, 200% enhanceable). Assuming a 25% uptime on IH (i.e. you're spamming it), you'd have ~800% +regen currently and an extra 190% +regen if those unenhanceable restrictions were removed.

Considering how little of the set game is really unaffected by enhancement, and how overkill IH already is a vast majority of the time, I doubt it would really accomplish much in real play. For most, IH is already unkillamode (unless you click it when you're low on health rather than when you're getting ready to face pain). Removing the unenhanceable part would just exacerbate that condition and likely make */Regen even more borked in PvP.

Personally, I think the damage recovery mechanisms on */Regen are at a nice place. I kinda wish that IH actually had some instantaneous healing portion so that it could actually be used as an "oh ****" rather than an "I'm predicting ****" button, but that's about all I'd really consider about changing any damage recovery mechanisms for */Regen.

The real thing that */Regen needs is debuff resistance, which an entirely different discussion.

Well, just because you're not as tough as invulnerable super heroes doesn't necessarily mean that you're not tougher than the average human. Even the lowliest hero or villain in CoX can take a number of bullets before going down and fall from enormous heights and walk away. Your armor could simply allow your "normal toughness" character to achieve the degree of toughness that is required to accomplish virtually any heroing. Otherwise, the character would likely just fall over and start bleeding out whenever a hellion looked at him wrong. Tony Stark isn't much of a fight out of his armor. Your character could easily be the same.

I had a pretty good time of it with my DM/Regen and most of that is owed almost exclusively to the fact that */Regen specializes in peak survivability capabilities. GW is only really dangerous due to her super-mega-ultra hold and that comes up predictably so making sure that I always had MoG or IH up whenever I was expecting her to throw it out helped out a lot. The self heal was a bit annoying, but IO grade defenses and DM's -tohit took care of most of that.

GW is one of those AVs that definitely requires that you know how she operates before you can take her down. I enjoyed the fight though.

I also believe that Castle once said that he solo'd GW on a Claws/Invuln without dieing or using insps though he said that he did it by using an exploit in her AI that made her substantially easier. I'm not sure what it was, but I wouldn't put it past someone who was really determined to figure out what it was (I have a feeling it has something to do with staying at a certain range and kiting her to death, but I'm not entirely sure).

I think the proper way to phrase it would be "diminishing comparative returns". Each portion of +regen provides the same hp/sec, which provides a smaller proportionate increase to your survivability than any previous portion you've gotten.

There isn't really a go-to guide anymore that really applies thanks to all of the changes that Regen has gone through, though there is a reasonably good boilerplate:

FH: gotta take it but you don't have to slot it; 1 heal (or 3 heals if you have slots burning holes in your pockets)
Recon: take it soon, slot it up and learn to love it; give it 3 heals and 3 rech
QR: take it asap and slot it; 3 end recov
DP: another asap power; 3 rech and 3 heals
Integration: another asap power; though it's a toggle, the end cost isn't high enough to bother with; 3 heals
Resilience: completely skippable; don't take it unless you're running an IO build and want a Steadfast or Gladiator's mule power; even then, take it late when you have nothing better to get
IH: take it asap; slot it for recharge asap and healing when you have a chance; 3 rech and 3 heals
Revive: skip it; it's a wakie on a 5 minute recharge
MoG: take it asap and love it; the +def and +res are large enough that there is no point to slotting them; all the power cares about is recharge; 3 rech

Pools-
Fighting: Start working on it in your 20-30s. Boxing/Kick is useless (crappy attack, don't bother slotting it), but Tough is great (3 res, 1-2 end redux). Don't get Weave unless you're doing an IO build because defense isn't worth it unless you're packing on 15-20%.
Speed: Hasten provides recharge. Regen loves recharge. Hasten is awesome (3 rech). Super Speed is a nice trans power if you want it. The other powers are useless.
Leaping: CJ is cheap and provides mobility as well as +def, but the values are too low to bother slotting heavily (1 def). SJ is an awesome transport power. The other powers are useless to you.
Flight: Hover is like a more expensive version of CJ that lets you stay in the air. Flight is liked by some people. Air Superiority is a nice mitigation attack. Group Flight is useless.
Leadership: Maneuvers is awesome (3 def, 2 end). So is Tactics (2-3 tohit, 2-3 end). Assault is decent but not worth it thanks to Scrapper modifiers. Vengeance is similar.
Fitness: Hurdle/Swift are nice, but not worth slotting. Health provides less +regen than FH and that's not worth slotting so Health isn't really worth slotting either. Stamina is to QR as Health is to FH, however, unlike +regen, +recov is nice to load up on so, if you really want to never have endurance problems, start working through Fitness in your 30-40s. Don't slot anything except for Stam and, even then, it should only get spare slots.

If you're going into IOs, all you should really care about is recharge and defense. +Hp is useless because it is laughably easy to cap with DP and it's remarkably easy to make DP permanent (55% global +rech with both DP and Hasten slotted). +Regen is largely redundant as well: 2 hp/sec doesn't provide much comparative advantage when you're already recovering 100 hp/sec. +Recov and +End are largely redundant as well because Regen is one of those sets that doesn't have problems with endurance even before IOs. Defense makes your damage recovery powers act upon progressively smaller amounts of damage, functionally multiplying the effects and increasing your survivability more than +regen ever will. Recharge makes your click powers come back faster. Your click powers are more than half of your survivability, so recharge is always welcome, since it makes your attacks recharge faster and makes your harder to kill.

Yes, there is a cap, but it is outrageously high. 3000% +regen outrageously high. You're not going to get that without a number of Empaths buffing the crap out of you.

The reason that many people, myself included on some occasions, ignore slotting heal enhancement into IH is largely an issue of slot. If I need to pull slots from somewhere, IH is a quick place to steal 2 slots (if I'm willing to give up the 5% +rech from Doctored Wounds, not that the 5% +rech set bonuses are rare) without diminishing the overall effectiveness of the power much. An increase of ~175-190% +regen might seem like a lot, but you've got to remember that IH isn't up all the time and, most of the time, when it is up, a lot of that +regen is overkill. It all comes down to the build in question and whether I want to get that little bit of extra regen (which I'm more likely to want from IH than from FH because of higher average contribution numbers) or if there is something more valuable I can get with those slots.

Type in "[Blaze Master.Melt Armor]". That should get the proper version for you (though, the powers are actually the same, with the exception of AT mods applied and Defiance included).

The old site is no longer being updated. Use http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/ instead.

Melt Armor, for Scrappers, provides a 7% -def debuff and a 9.75% -res debuff. Both effects last 40 seconds. The area of the power is 10', can hit 10 targets, a base recharge of 200 seconds, and a base endurance cost of 22.75. In other words, it's pretty crappy.

It has horrible uptime, horrible endurance cost, and a relatively minor benefit. Compared to the "native" power (even excluding the fact that Scrappers have crappy mods for the attributes that Melt Armor uses), the APP version has a smaller radius (compared to 15'), fewer targets (compared to 16), worse uptime (20% compared to 26.7%), half the debuff (further made worse by the fact that Scrapper and Blaster mods suck), and a higher endurance cost (compared to 18.2).

If APPs are supposed to be 3 times worse (I recall Castle saying that was the rule of thumb), Scrapper Melt Armor gets hosed (just like everything Scrappers get via APPs).

Actually, it won't stack in the way you're considering. When you zone, all buffs on you lose the tag that determines who activated them. Because the origination tag was lost, the power will stack with itself, but only until the lost tag stack plays out (it won't be refreshed because all of the effects you generate on yourself are going to be tagged by yourself).

This is the same reason why you can double stack the various shields from a single caster immediately after you zone. Putting the Kismet proc into DA won't allow you to stack it up as much as you consider. The only time it will happen is when you're zoning and the buff hadn't worn off when you zoned.

Your line is, and I quote, " yet it comes in TENTH for scrappers". Am I supposed to read what you intended rather than what you wrote? You specifically said that "it" came in tenth. Not "SS for Scrappers". You may want to try avoiding the use of pronouns in indeterminate ways.

Because we're discussing whether Brute SS would be overpowered? SS is balanced within the context of the Brute AT because Fury dilutes the effects of Rage. That's one of the big reasons why I don't complain about SS for Brutes, specifically (though I have no complaints about complaining about Brutes in general).

Honestly, yes. Claws doesn't do everything in exactly the same way that SS does. Claws can do respectable ST damage (I wouldn't say "good" especially if you look at the top tier performance), respectable to good AoE performance (Shockwave is impressive, Eviscerate can perform well, and Spin is excellent, though they all have counterpoint that inhibit their use), and though it's a bit light on soft control when you look at it (Focus has knockdown and Shockwave has knockback... and that's it).

Compare this to Super Strength: moderate to excellent ST performance (especially when you give it to Scrappers rather than Brutes), excellent AoE performance (footstomp anyone?), and excellent hard and soft control (every power either stuns, holds, or knocks).

The comparison between the two isn't exactly strong.

Before you attempt to call me out on my information, make sure you get yours right.

I'm the one dodging arguments?

Your "rebuttal" for the Shield Defense argument is, and I quote, "exactly fark all to the topic at hand"? If your argument of "all that matters is AT mods" argument held any water, you'd actually have something to say about that. How is that a rebuttal? Your "rebuttal" is, literally, a dismissal. Did you learn the meaning of the term "rebuttal" from a 5 year old?

Your counter-argument to FM is similarly ludicrous. You claim, explicitly, that the Brute and Scrapper versions are exactly the same, which they largely are. Of course, you make no counterargument for their relative levels of effectiveness beyond the whole, you know, "they're there so they're balanced" argument that you've rehashed over and over. Looking at your own numbers should tell you something about whether Brute FM is overpowered: of all of the top contenders of the Brute ST sets, it deals the most damage for the least endurance while simultaneously providing some of the best AoE dps around, which is similarly better and more efficient thanks to that whole "Brutes use DoTs better than anyone else" issue.

Wow... Sounds like you should start listening to yourself a bit. You're apparently so awesome that you can dismiss any counterargument with a single wave of your mighty hands and then call anyone else that attempts to convince you of your errors that they are the egotistical idiot.

Well, way back when, before all enemies were made sure to be given ranged attacks, ranged was a distinct advantage that provided massive survivability benefits. When Blasters leveraged those benefits too much (generally by hoverblasting), the "problem" was fixed, though it removed most, if not all, of the survivability mechanism that was supposed to be the blasters' counter to scrapper defenses. Since then, Blasters really have gotten the short end of the stick, comparatively.

Rather than trying to give Blasters hard survivability mechanics (+res, +def, etc), I think it would be better to simply make the soft survivability mechanisms that they've already got better. You might make the complaint that it takes too much time to properly do so, but I think that's the problem to address rather than trying to find some way to give Blasters their APP shields earlier. Increase the duration on the control effects and proportionately increase the recharge. You'll get the same contribution with lower animation time consumption (which is a big issue). Modify a few of the powers to be AoE control powers rather than ST (since, in all honesty, an AoE control power on a long recharge would get a lot more use than a short recharge ST control power with the same duration). Also, I'd probably tweak most of those tier 1 immobs to, at the very least, have a chance to hold rather than simply immobilize. As it stands, they do almost nothing for survivability because you're just stopping the guy from hitting you in the face with his bat and instead use his gun.

No, it doesn't mean that all things will be equal. It does, however, mean that all things factored together should generate an end result that is roughly equivalent. Don't confuse the use of the term "equal" with the concept of "equal damage". Balance is explicitly determined by factoring in all of the variables rather than a single set.

Did you get your view of seminary by listening to ******* atheists that have no clue what real seminary is like (keep in mind, I'm a rather die-hard atheist, though I'm not so convinced of my own views to think that every seminary is a ridiculous neo-con religious indoctrination institute)?

Let me point this out to you simply: they don't use every mechanic the same way. Scrappers get less out of bonus DoTs than Tanker or Brutes do because the comparative advantages of Critical are reduced (they don't provide a full 7% increase in overall damage because those additional points of damage aren't factored in). Brutes get less out of +dam than Tankers or Scrappers (because they have large amounts of native +dam that dilute the benefits therein). It's not

Actually, I'm not even bringing up that point in the context of the debate (which is why I put it in parentheses). Rather, it's simply an additional thought that is tangentially related. Don't assume that just because I wrote something down that I intend it to be used in whatever debate is on hand, especially when it's written in such a way as to indicate that it is only tangentially related.

Hell, if anything, you're the one that continually attempts to dodge the debate by trying to bring my ability to debate into question or suggesting that anything I say is without substance (even though you do it just as much, if not more than me). You're attempting to call into question the validity of my argument by specifically attacking me rather than the argument. The entirety of your counterargument has been "nu-uh!" and "prove it!", ignoring the fact that I've given you evidence.

Why should I demonstrate that it's overpowered on Scrappers but not overpowered on Tankers and/or Brutes? I believe that it's overpowered on all 3 of them, though, apparently, you can't separate that from the fact that I also believe that it would be more overpowered on Scrappers than it is on either of the previous ATs mentioned.

Actually, I doubt it would get a substantial nerf to Brutes or Tankers since, aside from the overperformance of Shield Charge due to improper implementation. Shield Defense is remarkably well balanced on Tankers and Brutes because AAO isn't providing a massively untoward damage benefit as compared to the average performance of the AT. When the powerset allows one AT to get 40% better damage over time while it only provides 20% and 30% improvements to the other ATs, I would expect the devs to simply change it for the 1 AT rather than all of the others. You know, what they did for Energy Melee (ET is weaker on Stalkers), or Dark Miasma (Twilight Grasp has a smaller area for MMs than for Corrs or Defs). There are loads of cases wherein the AT version of one power is different than the version of that power used by other ATs (and not just due to AT mods). If you want to ignore those, feel free, but it's not going to help your case, unless you only care what you think rather than what is actually true.

Except that you seem to be so blithely ignorant of the very fact that the various attributes that specific sets use to achieve a degree of performance on one set can have distinctly different effects when extrapolated to another set. Just because a set is balanced or imbalanced on one set doesn't mean that it will be balanced or imbalanced on another. Any set with a large amount of +dam is going to have massive benefits for Scrappers and severely limited effects for Brutes. Like I've been trying to show you, Shield Defense exemplifies this.

I definitely talk better game than you because, unlike you, I actually admit that the game is substantially more complex than you give it credit for. I would also venture that I also do better math than you because I can see a value that's horrendously unrealistic right off the bat whereas you can be blinded by the need to discredit someone else that it providing evidence that contradicts you to actually know what the hell you're talking about.

Of course, I already showed you Fire Melee. I also showed you Shield Defense. You didn't didn't like either of those, for whatever reason, even though the devs have actually shown that they have no problem changing powers for specific ATs rather than changing the entire powerset for all ATs if a power is too strong for only one of them (which pretty well disproves your claim that the only way the devs would handle such a situation would be to). I could show you new numbers that show how well Scrappers could break Super Strength even more. No matter what, though, you wouldn't care. You've already determined that you are correct, and, regardless of what anyone says, you're going to push write on through and call people idiots, dismiss absolutely everything that isn't supporting you, and demonstrate exactly why you have about as much place in a comprehensive balance analysis as Fire Minded.

Huh... I thought that he said that they were both too strong. Either way, seems to me to be a bit more of that "devs love Doms" evidence to throw around. Seems to me a bit weird that the devs would allow FE to be doubly better for Doms than for any other AT with it (and better than BU to boot).

Well, given the option overall, I'd take a controller and a dom rather than a controller and a blaster. You're getting better control, the same buffs/debuffs, and slightly less damage. The damage disparity between Blasters and Doms is remarkably small, even since the damage increases to Doms last year. Doms have more utility and a pittance less damage, even AoE. Remember, those AoE control powers still deal damage and the assault sets aren't strictly ST based: all sets except for Energy Assault have at least 2 AoEs.