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Quote:The new stuff Sylph posted makes it make sense, I think.Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
I never really thought about that. I guess we're all incarnates of the well. Like it's splitting between all of us or something. But that makes the well so powerful it's hard to even comprehend.
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Quote:Actually no longer true, not in the awful sense that it was before. They have actually fixed it, and done quite a nice job in my opinion.Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
The well as originaly shown was just an energy source that everything unwittingly tapped into.
That was fine, it was the reason that heroes in CoH are Super heroes.
But then they made it sentient.
So;
The Well of Furies
(Thanks to Sylph_Knight on the Beta boards)
So, basically, anyone who has read Terry Pratchett should just think about he writes the Gods and Death and other beings of that kind in Discworld. They are aspects of Humanity (and others in that case), shaped by living beings. Much the way as Death is often thought of as the Grim Reaper, a walking skeleton with a scythe, so the Well is a spring or well who's 'personality' is a reflection of those who made it.Quote:* The Well of the Furies is not unique. It is an amalgamation that represents the Force of Human Potential that manifests itself in the form of a spring, which was a representation of a resource and of relief to primitive humans. However, every race has their own version of the Well, supplying and absorbing their own respective Potentials in a continuous cycle. The Kheldians' equivalent is a perfect sphere of energy that represents their idealized form.
* The Well's personality and ambitions change with time, and it enters periods of hibernation that can last for centuries. Every time it wakes up, its personality manifests differently based on the collective psyche of humanity in that era. In the current era, the Well craves and rewards those who seek power. Part of this is to survive against the Battalion but also because of how humanity has changed.
* The Furies are not direct servants to the Well. There is no hierarchy between the two as the Furies have their own ideas and schemes. They were some of the first Incarnates ever created, representing ideals that the Well favored at the time. The Furies disagree with the Well's current methods due to its change in personality following its recent awakening and are acting independently of the Well. In other words - their power comes from the Well but they are not an integrated grouping. Also, Prometheus says the Furies do not appear as twisted monsters, unlike their servants.
* Prometheus is part of an organization (he does not define this as a Race, as I recall) that monitors Forces of Potential like the Well of the Furies and can lead members of a race towards drawing more strength from their Force of Potential... or surpass it.
* The Battalion are a race of Incarnates that have direct contact with their Force of Potential, allowing them to capture and feed the Forces of Potential belonging to other races to their own. This allows them to strip other races of their collective Potential and increase their own while leaving their defeated enemies as slaves with almost no ability remaining to resist. According to Prometheus, nearly a dozen races have already fallen to the Battalion to date.
* There is a level beyond the Incarnate, in which an individual breaks free from their race's Force of Potential and becomes one unto themselves, wielding truly god-like powers. However, a being capable of doing so represents a massive portion of their race's own Potential and breaking free dramatically weakens their race's Force of Potential has a whole. In addition, Prometheus refuses to grant you the ability to achieve this level of power so long as the Battalion exists for this very reason, but also because he fears that if you are defeated then the Battalion's power will grow exponentially more than it has already. He also threatens to kill you if you attempt to reach this power and become a "rogue" Force of Potential. A separate branch of that same conversation reveals that he is privy to the idea of helping you ascend if you do manage to beat the Battalion with your current power as an Incarnate, however.
* Rularuu is one such being that has become its own Force of Potential. While this part is not elaborated upon, I suspect his mission is not unlike the Battalion as he consumes whole worlds - possibly stealing the potential of all beings residing in them by consuming their Forces of Potential in the process. What Prometheus does confirm is that Rularuu is a rogue - a Force of Potential that is outside of their organization's observational control.
* Twilight's Sun survived a future where the Kheldian's Force of Potential was consumed by linking himself to the Well of the Furies (Humanity's Force of Potential) to regain his lost powers.
I have to admit, that puts me a lot more at rest with it all. I can deal with that. -
Hmn, sounds like one of the rare cases where the spawned gets its programming knotted and has a brain fart like that. Sadly it happens, and then doesn't again for ages. If it had been, say, Montague's Midnighter arc, I KNOW that that one spams you with Boss/LT class mobs a helluva lot. Since it's a radio mission, it sounds like pure bad luck of the draw.
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Quote:You completely skipped this part;Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I didn't call you heroic. There is a reason I specified heroic. While villains might pursue power for its own sake, heroes do not. However, since the puddle is still rewarding those who do, heroes should still be resisting it.
Quote:Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yes, our Heroes still want power. Otherwise we would leave them at level 50. The DIFFERENCE is that Heroes want power not for themselves but to help other people, to stop the villains, to save the Earth. You simply can't do that if you refuse power and wind up facing, say, the Battalion, who will probably promptly go 'lolnoob' and curbstomp you all over the scenery. -
Quote:That's all I really needed to hear. I can guarentee there are a large number of people willing to slam money down in a blink for that, but not when it's only a chance. So long as you guys do get round to that eventually, then we're all cool.Originally Posted by Zwillinger
For example, let's look at the Super Packs. Based on feedback we have implemented the following:- We're not launching with an alternate option to acquiring the costume pieces, but it is still something we're open to later on down the road.
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We love you too, Z-man, and your crazy hat collection
Stay Classy Paragon. -
The vibe I get from that, in fact, is much more akin to, for example, Terry Pratchett's Discworld, or rather the Gods and entities there. All of them are shaped by belief and, as such, look like what humans imagine them. The Crocodile headed god is literally that; a dude with a crocodile head. Sure it's impractical and awkward, but that's what the followers believe.
The best example is Death, the not-quite grim reaper. Given people have been going around inventing chaos theory and quantum mechanics, he now has to show up for near death experiences (he has a book) and events where you might die or might not, or are 'partially dead' and all kinds of stuff. Plays hob with his schedule too.
But he is that way because that's what humans imagine Death being like, and how they think of Death.
It...yeah, it works. I can live with that. -
Quote:Uh...Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
It also implies that humanity has gone insane, and thinks grasping at power is the only thing that matters.
There we go.Quote:While this may be accurate,
"What'd you call me, fleshling?" -AlphaQuote:our heroic characters
Yes, our Heroes still want power. Otherwise we would leave them at level 50. The DIFFERENCE is that Heroes want power not for themselves but to help other people, to stop the villains, to save the Earth. You simply can't do that if you refuse power and wind up facing, say, the Battalion, who will probably promptly go 'lolnoob' and curbstomp you all over the scenery.Quote:are supposed to be above that. So now we're not only beholden to a sentient insane puddle, said puddle is subject to a majority vote? Humanity subconsciously voted for Cole, and the only way we can get them to vote for us is to beat him up? Sorry, I don't want to play that game either.
Honestly, this fixed version makes more sense for the CoHverse. It doesn't trample anywhere near as much as the 'stub' version we had before did. -
Quote:Agreed.Originally Posted by GlassGoblin
In this Tier 9 VIP's opinion, the exchange rate needs to be about 25 packs to the token, or it's not worth my time. When I can get all of Fire and Ice or Celestial for 3 tokens, that sets my expectation for the number of tokens a costume set is worth. If all I want are the costume bits, the rest of the 'cards' are just chaff.
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Quote:...Originally Posted by Golden Girl
On the beta forums, Sylph_Knight has posted the latest infro from Prometheus:
-Lore stuff-
I removed one small-ish part that contained I22 spoilers.
I...I think I take it back. That's actually not too bad. It kinda makes sense, it allows WAY more leg-room than the initial draft we got a brief glimpse at (in-game, etc) it...yeah. I can kinda deal with that. It allows it to be the 'potential' thing, rather than an actual power giving deity thinger. And allows for all the origins (i.e. science explosions give powers rather than melting faces)
I think I like that. I think I do.
Edit: It's hard to express properly, given I tried typing three additional things and then gave up. But I think it works well. -
Quote:Agreed and agreed (to save quoting Steele again)Originally Posted by Eva Destruction
I like the Disco bottoms, but it's rather limited because of the low "waistband." You either have to go with a bare midriff or wear one of the few belts that will cover the gap. So if we're going to have these low-waisted pieces, can we also have an version that goes all the way up to the waist, or at least make the waistline on them a little higher so we'll have more belt options?
Yes, thank you for demonstrating exactly what I meant.
However, in an ideal world, that bikini top would have ROUND parts, and not have giant ohgoditsugly square lines. I mean, come on, we can do curves now! This is no longer the square body era (even using this game engine) -
Quote:I, and many others, would be perfectly happy to slap down cash for the Elemental Order pack.Originally Posted by BrandX
They're in the business to make money, and while the enhancements are nice might not make them money (I have no idea if they've been making money on the pay for them IOs), and by making them available in game it keeps people from saying "pay to win" while the costumes have no actual value when it comes to game mechanics and therefore can be made to be bought in the Paragon Store.
I point blank refuse to waste money on gambling with a CHANCE to get bits of the costume. I know I'm not the only one to think so. -
So...Dem, what if they eventually release something canon that actually features the real Invisible Falcon?
Because, really, commandeering a canon NPC is just setting yourself for a really large fall, in my opinion.
I remember seeing someone mention they RP'd Count Alphonse Crey....the guy who's, y'know, been in a freaking COMA for years now. I....eh...wut?
People twisting NPCs gets on my wick. There is so much room for original characters without 'Son of Recluse 62' walking around. -
Quote:You're also a highly opinionated sod. I should know, I'm one tooOriginally Posted by CactusBrawler
The problem is Tech, by the time I23 hits, who will be around to RP it?
They've driven me off, and I'm a tolerant laid back player.
Frankly, I've not been around much either. But I still would like to drop in when time permits, and was just bringing it up due to being relevant for Union RP.
So...are people more for acting like it's now happened, and thus stuff like STFs and whatnot need changing to reflect that fact? Or to wait until I23 when he physically goes? -
I think when he's removed in I23 is when we can safely consider his death 'real', canon and actual knowledge.
Until then I'd say it just hasn't happened, not IC or in-canon. Since, y'know, he's still there >_> -
OOC discussion, basically. Since States doesn't get removed from the game until I23, who else thinks it would be best to consider him 'not dead' until he is actually removed? As in, Part 5 of SSA doesn't become canon for use in Union RP until the effects actually happen.
Otherwise we're going to get awkward moments where someone goes
"Hey, I just worked with Statesman today!"
and the response is
"Statesman? Dude...he's dead..."
So, yeah, any general consensus on that? -
The 'Destined Ones' are easy enough to explain, if you don't mind-
SPOILERS!!
The Destined Ones are on the list because 'someone' has been seen by Recluse's Fortunata's as helping him achieve global domination and the victory of Arachnos. As you go through the main villain arc at the end, you are suspected to be 'The Destined One'. As it turns out, Recluse want's to use you to get his way and then dispose of you, so you cannot challenge him. You go forward to the time where he has won, is supposedly at the height of his power, and then kick his face in. Bringing his future-helmet back to the present day makes him a clear point 'Don't even try it.'
Recluse, suitably impressed, makes you a counter offer of helping him conquer the world and you being part of the army of strongest Villains who will then rule. He also mentions how your part as a pawn in Project: Destiny is over, and he will no longer try and manipulate you.
With the VEAT story line (such as it is, it's quite a bad example of writing in some places) you are, supposedly, basically sick of being a lackey and try and get your name on the list...thus making yourself a different kind of lackey, really >_<
I personally hate that story line, and my Webmaster Commander is a fully loyal soldier in command of a regiment (actual SG) rather than some wannabe rogue who isn't
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Quote:Careful, Damz. You'll turn golden if you keep this up.Originally Posted by EU_Damz
"Thank you Darrin Wade" shirt will be better
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Quote:This is a problem, mostly because while we've been slapped in the gob with "No, the Well is the source of all powah! You will obey!" we've also had no indication of what our characters are supposedly Incarnates OF. Which...leaves a gaping hole in so-called canon there.Originally Posted by RogerWilco
I'm new to the game, and I do very much try to embed my characters in the CoH lore. I do find that it's not very easy to figure out what the CoH lore is. I have been reading the Paragon Wiki and Unionverse quite extensively, but your comment about gods is completely new to me for example. I have been reading about Oranbega, Mu, Ermeeth, Hequat and such, but I haven't found any references to incarnates.
Anything related to the Well of Furies and gods like Zeus and Hera, just links straight to Wikipedia, so one would assume that the Greek Pantheon is part of CoH lore.
Personally, I work around that by simply ignoring the puddle of mild annoyance. I cannot stand the semi-sentient bull pancakes they are trying to feed us, mostly because it makes little damn sense. Ergo I ignore it. Sometimes you do have to handwave stuff. -
Agreed wholeheartedly with the OP. Sure, people make some awesome and funny cross-over-esque characters (someone on Union made a goblin mechanist in a giant punchy mech suit, for instance) but, for the love of [Pancake] this is CoH. End of.
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Quote:When and, more importantly, IF there is ever a statement letting us know there will, at some point, be an alternate method, then I will retract all statement and leave the packs alone.Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
No alternate means at launch, you mean. Which is exactly what they said during the first wave of feedback after the last Player Summit.
Until then, I will continue to bash them as the gambling, greedy money grabs they are. When PS make stuff worth buying (which they do often, by the way), then I'm willing to slap money down for it. I find it objectionable when they try and hoover it out of my pocket without anything worthy in exchange. -
Quote:That's only true so long as they don't replace half the sand with gravel after seven years.Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Isn't this the danger of playing in someone else's sandbox?
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Quote:Given the current definition 'Incarnate' doesn't really actually mean much. It has as much effect, to me at least, as 'Uber level' or 'Security level 50 and then some'.Originally Posted by ShadowMoka
I just like to RP that ICly the toon isn't incarnate.
What does it mean 'Incarnate' anyway? States was always the 'Incarnate of Zeus', which now seems to be somewhat confusing. If we are meant to be 'Incarnates of the Well' then that's just a load of bull doos.
In fact, now I think about it, was it EVER explained what we are meant to be Incarnates OF, or is it just used in a 'level 50+' way? -
Quote:Sign me up for agreeing with that.Originally Posted by Stormbird
There are a lot of times I dont' agree with Xanatos, but he's really hitting the nail on the head in this thread... all the nails, frankly.
Just had to quote this bit because it's something that irritates the hell out of me with the way the current team is going, even MORE than sticking Praetorians and the Well in everything. -
Quote:Although he apparently won't be gone until I23, it sounds like States is going gone for good. Not just phasing teching him out, actually removing him totally.Originally Posted by Nericus
We are assuming of course that this death is permanent.
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HAPPY with the feedback on Super Packs?!
What, lots of people going "I am simply not buying these, this is a freaking rip off" ?
And no alternate means to get the costumes. Wow. Bum move guys. Real bum. Not impressed with that...
The rest is good.