Maximal

It should be very possible. I remember Silverado soloing AVs with an Ice/Cold corrupter.

My suggestion is to aim for at least 33% ranged defense (This way you are softcapped with a small purple), 45% would be ideal though. After that just stack as much recharge as you can so you can get Heat Loss and Benumb up as often as possible. Depending on your tastes Aid Self could also be useful.

This of courser all comes in after you fix any end issues, as there is a decent chance of the fight going long.

At first glance it looks fine, but without mids (had to reformat my hard drive recently). I am not really able to check it out precisely. My Old Rad/Son solod GMs very easily. The key is Ranged defense and enough recharge to keep LR up at all times. I used the attack chain of Shriek Scream Shriek Dominate.

I would drop the fighting pool and pick up Hover and Fly. 2 slot sephyr in each to free up slots and one more power choice. Not to mention Fighting is a big end drain you really dont need. Soloing GMs with a rad/sonic is more about endurance then anything. If you can survive and not run out of end chances are you will get there eventually.

I could make a recording of my troller but ... well, I havent seriously played her in months so it would be messy. Really messy. Especially considering her secondairy is Storm.

Oh, I understand that this is going to be totally unnessacery.

This entire illconceived advetnure was inspired by some of Nihilii comments on her scrapper. Mostly I wanted to see how a high end WP build could compare to Invuln.

I know you said Auri was a SM/WP with her first build, and normally I would go for what your saying and slot for a mixture of set bonuses.

But, I actually want to push this charecter for the most survival I possibly can while still having the DPS to down an AV.

Thanks for the advice there Perfi, but a few things.

I actually agree with you on Tremor now. The only reason I still have it is becuase of the Obliteration set. It covers quite a few nice bonuses including S/L defense. The fact that it gives me a little AoE is just fluff.

As for dropping Stone Fists, I was looking at numbers and its actually better DPA then Stone Mallet. So if I were to drop anything from the chain that would be it.

Also, I have fault, and use it religiously.

So, Ive had this charecter for probaby 5 to 6 months or so now. Shes spent 90% of that time at level 38 not getting played.

Recently I went back and decided to see what she could do, and was pleasently suprised to where Im now looking into IO possibilitys for her. Ive currently got a build in which I have soft cap to S/L damage, but I was wondering if its possible for Willpower to actually soft cap to everything?

My other question, is about Stone Melee. Im guessing the best possible attack chain, would be something like Seismic Smash - Stone Fist - Heavy Mallet -Stone Fist - Stone Mallet - Stone Fist . But this is all just guess work on my part. As while I understand the concepts the exact numbers of things like arcanatime tend to Elude. So any help is welcome.

I know its kind of a common pairing, but my Thugs/Dark can handle up to +2/x8 without to much trouble against most groups. Though, Nemesis tends to give me issues what with stacked vengeance.

Ah, thanks for that!

So, earlier today I felt reminiscant of my deleted Rad/Sonic defender. This led me to put my Thugs/Dark up against a few GMs out of curiosity.

Eochai was actually rather easy. Im not sure why but I was able to down him twice with almost no actual effort on my part. Just BG mode and spamming Challenge and Twilights Grasp.

Scrapyarder on the other hand, was quite a pain. Becuase of all his friends I had to take my minions out of BG mode. Which meant tanking him with only minor defense and my debuffs. Even after this, it still took me quite a while to finish him off.

Now, I had a couple of questions.

1. Why is it that Eochai was so much easier? when to my knowledge the Croatoa GMs should be in approx. the same level range as far as resists and such go. Asside from the obvious mobs. Even with my pets focused on Scrapyarder he didnt drop half as quickly.

2. I remember another MM posting a video of his fight with Scrapyarder a while back, mostly just curious who that was.

Awesome thanks Broken, Ill play around with that a bit. If I change anything Ill post it back up.

Alright, well then any advice on getting that last 5% to range? Im willing to let AoE suffer a little as I still have my resists to back that up. But Range/Melee I would like to keep at 45 at least if possible.

Hey, so this is my first scrapper to hit 50. As I was playing with mids I hit a road block. And while I can get close to soft cap thanks to Divine Avalanche, I dont think I actually can soft cap without totally gimping my attack chain.

Any advice or obvious things I might have missed? Heres my build.
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Katana
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Teleportation

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Sting of the Wasp
(A) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(15) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(21) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(21) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(23) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge


Level 1: Fire Shield
(A) Aegis - Resistance
(3) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(3) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
(5) Aegis - Endurance/Recharge
(5) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge


Level 2: Gambler's Cut
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(9) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(11) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
(11) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(13) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(34) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge


Level 4: Healing Flames
(A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(7) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
(7) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
(9) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge
(40) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge
(45) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge


Level 6: Hurdle
(A) Jumping IO


Level 8: Divine Avalanche
(A) HamiO:Membrane Exposure
(13) HamiO:Membrane Exposure
(25) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(37) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(39) HamiO:Membrane Exposure


Level 10: Combat Jumping
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(23) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance


Level 12: Boxing
(A) Stupefy - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge


Level 14: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery


Level 16: Plasma Shield
(A) Aegis - Resistance
(17) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
(17) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
(19) Aegis - Endurance/Recharge
(19) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge


Level 18: The Lotus Drops
(A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
(43) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
(43) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
(43) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance


Level 20: Consume
(A) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge
(25) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Accuracy
(42) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(48) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge


Level 22: Stamina
(A) Endurance Modification IO
(45) Endurance Modification IO
(45) Endurance Modification IO
(50) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End


Level 24: Build Up
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(31) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(34) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(40) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff


Level 26: Soaring Dragon
(A) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
(27) Mako's Bite - Damage/Recharge
(27) Mako's Bite - Damage/Endurance
(29) Mako's Bite - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(29) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(37) Mako's Bite - Accuracy/Damage


Level 28: Recall Friend
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
(48) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range


Level 30: Tough
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(39) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
(40) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure


Level 32: Blazing Aura
(A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
(33) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
(33) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
(33) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
(34) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance


Level 35: Weave
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Recharge
(37) Endurance Reduction IO


Level 38: Super Jump
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range
(39) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance


Level 41: Golden Dragonfly
(A) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Recharge
(46) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Recharge
(46) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
(46) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage
(50) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(50) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance


Level 44: Temperature Protection
(A) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection


Level 47: Teleport
(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance
(48) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range


Level 49: Rise of the Phoenix
(A) Recharge Reduction IO


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Level 1: Brawl
(A) Empty


Level 1: Sprint
(A) Empty


Level 2: Rest
(A) Empty


Level 1: Critical Hit
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Set Bonus Totals:
14% DamageBuff(Smashing)
14% DamageBuff(Lethal)
14% DamageBuff(Fire)
14% DamageBuff(Cold)
14% DamageBuff(Energy)
14% DamageBuff(Negative)
14% DamageBuff(Toxic)
14% DamageBuff(Psionic)
4.25% Defense(Smashing)
4.25% Defense(Lethal)
18.3% Defense(Fire)
18.3% Defense(Cold)
18% Defense(Energy)
18% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
5.5% Defense(Melee)
33% Defense(Ranged)
24.3% Defense(AoE)
6% Enhancement(Heal)
36% Enhancement(Accuracy)
10% FlySpeed
150.6 HP (11.2%) HitPoints
10% JumpHeight
10% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -8)
Knockup (Mag -8)
MezResist(Held) 13.2%
MezResist(Immobilize) 9.9%
5% (0.08 End/sec) Recovery
52% (2.91 HP/sec) Regeneration
9.38% Resistance(Negative)
20% RunSpeed
5% XPDebtProtection

Yes, and with high end set IO builds, Any combonation of the following couild do it.

Dark/, Rad/, Cold/, Storm/

And

/Sonic, /Ice.

Keep in mind some builds do it easier then others.

Oh, and in i16 I imagine Traps/ will be capable of it as well. I would even say /AR might, if you can get the AV immobalized inside of stacked Ignite patches.

Man I agree, defenders suck. We need a damage buff devs ... seriously, I want more damage becuase you know, soloing these AVs is just to slow.

*sigh* Really people, defenders are for the patient and the min maxer, preferably both.

Also, as for Going Rogue killing defenders. Not going to happen, I love defenders but can never seem to enjoy a corruptor. Im sure I cant be the only person with that problem.

Hi, Im Tornelco. Im the guy that tells you to play Rad/Sonic. I can proudly say it killed the game for me.

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Yeah, I don't use shout when I'm trying to fight GMs. Just cycle shriek and scream. Maybe toss in electric fence if neither one is recharged just yet.

Even with LR on the mob, though, I barely make any headway at all. I just don't see it happening. If there's someone who has a "GM killer" build for a rad/sonic, I'd love to see it. Because right now, I have pretty much zero chance against them, despite everything I've tried.

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Well, I dont haefv the library of GM defeats that Silverado has. though that is mostly due to a lack of patience, not failure of my build.

A few changes, due to mids not having pvp IOs in it. MoB is slotted with both 3% defense IOs, and I have the Panacea set minus the proc in Rad Aura.

Anyways, you asked.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Radiation Emission
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Psychic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Radiation Infection <ul type="square">[*] (A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff[*] (3) Dark Watcher's Despair - Chance for Recharge Slow[*] (5) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance[*] (5) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance[*] (31) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff[/list]Level 1: Shriek <ul type="square">[*] (A) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (3) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)[*] (7) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge[*] (7) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (9) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance[/list]Level 2: Scream <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge[*] (11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge[*] (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[/list]Level 4: Accelerate Metabolism <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[*] (17) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge[*] (19) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge[/list]Level 6: Radiant Aura <ul type="square">[*] (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal[*] (9) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[*] (21) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance[*] (21) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge[*] (23) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge[/list]Level 8: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[/list]Level 10: Howl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (25) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (25) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge[*] (27) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown[*] (27) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance[/list]Level 12: Lingering Radiation <ul type="square">[*] (A) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Endurance[*] (29) Tempered Readiness - Range/Slow[*] (29) Tempered Readiness - Damage/Slow[*] (31) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Slow[*] (31) Tempered Readiness - Endurance/Recharge/Slow[*] (37) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Damage/Slow[/list]Level 14: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal[*] (34) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery[*] (34) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance[*] (36) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge[*] (46) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge[*] (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 16: Hover <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)[*] (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (33) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[/list]Level 18: Fly <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (19) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 20: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End[*] (23) Endurance Modification IO[*] (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod[/list]Level 22: Assault <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 24: Maneuvers <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[*] (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense[/list]Level 26: Enervating Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 28: Vengeance <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[/list]Level 30: Hasten <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (37) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 32: Super Speed <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 35: Screech <ul type="square">[*] (A) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun[*] (36) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge[*] (37) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (40) Absolute Amazement - Stun[*] (40) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge[/list]Level 38: EM Pulse <ul type="square">[*] (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold[*] (39) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (39) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold[*] (40) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold[*] (42) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold[/list]Level 41: Dominate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold[*] (42) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold[*] (42) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold[*] (43) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (43) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold[*] (43) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold[/list]Level 44: World of Confusion <ul type="square">[*] (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Confused[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge[*] (46) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge[*] (46) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge[/list]Level 47: Mass Hypnosis <ul type="square">[*] (A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Endurance[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Recharge[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (50) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge[/list]Level 49: Mind Over Body <ul type="square">[*] (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%[*] (50) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Vigilance
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]11% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]11% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]11% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]11% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]11% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]11% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]11% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]11% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Smashing)[*]3% Defense(Lethal)[*]4.25% Defense(Fire)[*]4.25% Defense(Cold)[*]22.7% Defense(Energy)[*]22.7% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Melee)[*]34.9% Defense(Ranged)[*]5.5% Defense(AoE)[*]0.9% Max End[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpHeight)[*]1.5% Enhancement(RunSpeed)[*]52% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpSpeed)[*]1.5% Enhancement(FlySpeed)[*]10% Enhancement(Heal)[*]4% Enhancement(Confused)[*]2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*]93.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]9% FlySpeed[*]64.9 HP (6.38%) HitPoints[*]9% JumpHeight[*]9% JumpSpeed[*]Knockback (Mag -8)[*]Knockup (Mag -8)[*]MezResist(Confused) 5%[*]MezResist(Held) 10.5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 5%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 5%[*]MezResist(Stun) 5%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 7.2%[*]25.5% (0.43 End/sec) Recovery[*]38% (1.61 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]8.82% Resistance(Fire)[*]8.82% Resistance(Cold)[*]9% RunSpeed[/list]------------
[u]Set Bonuses:[u]
[u]Dark Watcher's Despair[u]
(Radiation Infection)<ul type="square">[*] 15.3 HP (1.5%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Apocalypse[u]
(Shriek)<ul type="square">[*] 16% (0.68 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 30.5 HP (3%) HitPoints[*] 4% DamageBuff(All)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Thunderstrike[u]
(Scream)<ul type="square">[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)[*] 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 4% RunSpeed, 4% FlySpeed, 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight[*] 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Accelerate Metabolism)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Doctored Wounds[u]
(Radiant Aura)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%[*] 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 4% Enhancement(Heal)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Ragnarok[u]
(Howl)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Tempered Readiness[u]
(Lingering Radiation)<ul type="square">[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 1.5% Enhancement(Slow)[*] 0.9% Max End[*] 3.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Numina's Convalescence[u]
(Health)<ul type="square">[*] 12% (0.51 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 19.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 6% Enhancement(Heal)[*] MezResist(Held) 3.3%[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Hover)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Hover)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Fly)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Performance Shifter[u]
(Stamina)<ul type="square">[*] 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Maneuvers)<ul type="square">[*] 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Vengeance)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Super Speed)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Absolute Amazement[u]
(Screech)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Basilisk's Gaze[u]
(EM Pulse)<ul type="square">[*] 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] Status Resistance 5%[/list][u]Lockdown[u]
(Dominate)<ul type="square">[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.2%[*] 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Coercive Persuasion[u]
(World of Confusion)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 4% Enhancement(Confused)[*] 4% DamageBuff(All)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 5% Defense(Ranged), 2.5% Defense(Energy), 2.5% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Fortunata Hypnosis[u]
(Mass Hypnosis)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Steadfast Protection[u]
(Mind Over Body)<ul type="square">[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 3% Defense(All)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list]

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Being fair, I thought I was purchased in packs of twelve at the supermarket, but that may be eggs. I get them confused some times.

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You heard it here, Talen Lee was hatched from eggs. That explains the cool.

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There are a couple of interesting points here that touch on a variety of areas. For example:<ul type="square">[*]Defenders are less likely to be stupid? Eh, I don't think so. I've seen many a defender with one attack in their forties. I've seen more than a few defenders whine about running out of support powers to take and being 'forced' to take something in their epics that can deal damage.[*]Controllers' buffs and debuffs are less than defenders. That's true. On the other hand, mezzing a spawn for the entirety of its life makes the cuteness of forcefields rather redundant, for example. When comparing a controller's buffs/debuffs to the buffs/debuffs of the defender, remember the controller will usually contribute some damage, and often in many cases, some control too, which relieves the need to lean on his buffs/debuffs. In many cases, this can be a bit of a pain for the defender, where the controller provides less, but needs to provide less.[*]Defender damage isn't great. Well, I suppose it's not. My empathy/archery doesn't feel like he hits like a truck, but then if he did, something would be very wrong because there are other archetypes that do it. Would it be nice to feel like I did more? I suppose so, but then it wouldn't really be fair to the other archetypes that don't have any buffs or debuffs worth a damn.[*]Tornelco's build costing a lot... well, yes, do you think soloing GMs and AVs should be cheap and easy? Go ask the scrapper boards how many of them did their av-soloing builds on the cheap. Same with the controllers.[*]Sonic Blast is awesome. I totally agree. Ironically I have a hard time enjoying playing it because the animations annoy me.[*]Dominators are being adjusted to have both their roles considered equally important. Maybe that's a wet test for the defender. I doubt it, but that can give people a smidgen of hope.[*]So, you don't like how defenders do damage? Okay, neat. You see those other ATs out there? Try them, maybe they'll have something you like. I know I like corruptors but don't like defenders as much. That's not indicative of a problem, that's indicative of taste. There are a bunch of guys in this thread who seem to really enjoy their defenders and don't feel they lack for damage.[*]It's late. Who are you people and where's my horse?[/list]
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Well stated Talen.

And no, Talen doesnt give cool lessons. Someone as cool as Talen is not made, they are born.

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So we all agree that because a single 1 Billion Influence Ultra Cheezy Build Rad/Sonic can do ok damage that defender damage is therefor ok?

Works for me.

I like Defenders in teams btw. They are almost as good as an endless inspiration tray.

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Well, everyone seems to base their controller arguments on Ultra cheezy fire/kinetics builds. Seems fair to me.

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1 billion influence? ... God I wish, I reach that point with just my Glad Armor unique and 2 purple of the five purple sets I run.

And ... Yeah well ... if you want a defender to do damge build for it. Dont take some lower damage combo then whine.

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Defender damage is sub par overall. Once it is accepted you get used to it.

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Yep. Despite apologia, the fact remains that defenders hit like girls with muscular dystrophy. I know it's for balance. It's just one of those things that makes you sigh when you are reminded of it. Defenders are still an amazing AT, but just like scrappers aren't known for their debuffs, defenders aren't known for their damage dealing.

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I agree Defendes really do bring alot to the table. There is no shame in doing less damage then others.

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Please name one thing that the defender brings to the table that is not better brought by controllers?

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So that smiley is actually "smirk"? Huh.

What do controllers have that beats Sonic Blasts?

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What do controllers have that beats Sonic Blasts?

Im going to say nothing. Becuase really stacking -res is just absurd.

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Doubled damage through containment? It benefits the controller alone, but is still the equivalent of automatic, non-stacking -100% DR to anything that you can immobilize (PToD doesnt' protect from immobilize, do they?)

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Touche, however the -res is a better imo because we can still double our damage and it double the damage of the rest of the team as well.

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Take a Rad/Son &amp; Cold/Son each comparably IOed. Solo some pylons (use insps, no temps, or bring a tank to just Taunt). Post numbers.

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Why would you need Insps?

This is my current build, although there are a few changes I cant show with mids. Mostly that I have the Galdiators Armor 3% defense slotted in the second slot for MoB and that I have the Panacea set slotted in Radiant Aura.

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/

[u]Click this DataLink to open the build![u]

Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Radiation Emission
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Psychic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Radiation Infection <ul type="square">[*] (A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff[*] (3) Dark Watcher's Despair - Chance for Recharge Slow[*] (5) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance[*] (5) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance[*] (31) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff[/list]Level 1: Shriek <ul type="square">[*] (A) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (3) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)[*] (7) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge[*] (7) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (9) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance[/list]Level 2: Scream <ul type="square">[*] (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance[*] (11) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge[*] (11) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance[*] (13) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge[*] (15) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[/list]Level 4: Accelerate Metabolism <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (15) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[*] (17) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (17) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge[*] (19) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge[/list]Level 6: Radiant Aura <ul type="square">[*] (A) Doctored Wounds - Heal[*] (9) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[*] (21) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance[*] (21) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge[*] (23) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge[/list]Level 8: Swift <ul type="square">[*] (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure[/list]Level 10: Howl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (25) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge[*] (25) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge[*] (27) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown[*] (27) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance[/list]Level 12: Lingering Radiation <ul type="square">[*] (A) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Endurance[*] (29) Tempered Readiness - Range/Slow[*] (29) Tempered Readiness - Damage/Slow[*] (31) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Slow[*] (31) Tempered Readiness - Endurance/Recharge/Slow[*] (37) Tempered Readiness - Accuracy/Damage/Slow[/list]Level 14: Health <ul type="square">[*] (A) Numina's Convalescence - Heal[*] (34) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery[*] (34) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance[*] (36) Numina's Convalescence - Endurance/Recharge[*] (46) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Recharge[*] (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance/Recharge[/list]Level 16: Hover <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)[*] (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (33) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[/list]Level 18: Fly <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (19) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 20: Stamina <ul type="square">[*] (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End[*] (23) Endurance Modification IO[*] (34) Performance Shifter - EndMod[/list]Level 22: Assault <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 24: Maneuvers <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[*] (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense[/list]Level 26: Enervating Field <ul type="square">[*] (A) Endurance Reduction IO[/list]Level 28: Vengeance <ul type="square">[*] (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed[/list]Level 30: Hasten <ul type="square">[*] (A) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (37) Recharge Reduction IO[*] (39) Recharge Reduction IO[/list]Level 32: Super Speed <ul type="square">[*] (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range[*] (33) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance[/list]Level 35: Screech <ul type="square">[*] (A) Absolute Amazement - Endurance/Stun[*] (36) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge[*] (37) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (40) Absolute Amazement - Stun[*] (40) Absolute Amazement - Stun/Recharge[/list]Level 38: EM Pulse <ul type="square">[*] (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold[*] (39) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (39) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Hold[*] (40) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold[*] (42) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold[/list]Level 41: Dominate <ul type="square">[*] (A) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold[*] (42) Lockdown - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold[*] (42) Lockdown - Accuracy/Hold[*] (43) Lockdown - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (43) Lockdown - Recharge/Hold[*] (43) Lockdown - Endurance/Recharge/Hold[/list]Level 44: World of Confusion <ul type="square">[*] (A) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Endurance[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Contagious Confusion[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Confused[*] (45) Coercive Persuasion - Confused/Recharge[*] (46) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Confused/Recharge[*] (46) Coercive Persuasion - Accuracy/Recharge[/list]Level 47: Mass Hypnosis <ul type="square">[*] (A) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Endurance[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Sleep/Recharge[*] (48) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Recharge[*] (50) Fortunata Hypnosis - Accuracy/Sleep/Recharge[/list]Level 49: Mind Over Body <ul type="square">[*] (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%[*] (50) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection[/list]------------
Level 1: Brawl <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Sprint <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 2: Rest <ul type="square">[*] (A) Empty[/list]Level 1: Vigilance
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[u]Set Bonus Totals:[u]<ul type="square">[*]11% DamageBuff(Smashing)[*]11% DamageBuff(Lethal)[*]11% DamageBuff(Fire)[*]11% DamageBuff(Cold)[*]11% DamageBuff(Energy)[*]11% DamageBuff(Negative)[*]11% DamageBuff(Toxic)[*]11% DamageBuff(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Smashing)[*]3% Defense(Lethal)[*]4.25% Defense(Fire)[*]4.25% Defense(Cold)[*]22.7% Defense(Energy)[*]22.7% Defense(Negative)[*]3% Defense(Psionic)[*]3% Defense(Melee)[*]34.9% Defense(Ranged)[*]5.5% Defense(AoE)[*]0.9% Max End[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpHeight)[*]1.5% Enhancement(RunSpeed)[*]52% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*]1.5% Enhancement(JumpSpeed)[*]1.5% Enhancement(FlySpeed)[*]10% Enhancement(Heal)[*]4% Enhancement(Confused)[*]2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*]93.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*]9% FlySpeed[*]64.9 HP (6.38%) HitPoints[*]9% JumpHeight[*]9% JumpSpeed[*]Knockback (Mag -8)[*]Knockup (Mag -8)[*]MezResist(Confused) 5%[*]MezResist(Held) 10.5%[*]MezResist(Immobilize) 5%[*]MezResist(Sleep) 5%[*]MezResist(Stun) 5%[*]MezResist(Terrorized) 7.2%[*]25.5% (0.43 End/sec) Recovery[*]38% (1.61 HP/sec) Regeneration[*]8.82% Resistance(Fire)[*]8.82% Resistance(Cold)[*]9% RunSpeed[/list]------------
[u]Set Bonuses:[u]
[u]Dark Watcher's Despair[u]
(Radiation Infection)<ul type="square">[*] 15.3 HP (1.5%) HitPoints[*] 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Apocalypse[u]
(Shriek)<ul type="square">[*] 16% (0.68 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 30.5 HP (3%) HitPoints[*] 4% DamageBuff(All)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Thunderstrike[u]
(Scream)<ul type="square">[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)[*] 7% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 4% RunSpeed, 4% FlySpeed, 4% JumpSpeed, 4% JumpHeight[*] 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Accelerate Metabolism)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Doctored Wounds[u]
(Radiant Aura)<ul type="square">[*] MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%[*] 1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 4% Enhancement(Heal)[*] 5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Ragnarok[u]
(Howl)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Tempered Readiness[u]
(Lingering Radiation)<ul type="square">[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 1.5% Enhancement(Slow)[*] 0.9% Max End[*] 3.75% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 1.88% Defense(Ranged), 0.94% Defense(Energy), 0.94% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Numina's Convalescence[u]
(Health)<ul type="square">[*] 12% (0.51 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 19.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints[*] 6% Enhancement(Heal)[*] MezResist(Held) 3.3%[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Hover)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Hover)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Fly)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Performance Shifter[u]
(Stamina)<ul type="square">[*] 5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Maneuvers)<ul type="square">[*] 10% (0.42 HP/sec) Regeneration[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Luck of the Gambler[u]
(Vengeance)<ul type="square">[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Blessing of the Zephyr[u]
(Super Speed)<ul type="square">[*] 3.13% Defense(Ranged), 1.56% Defense(Energy), 1.56% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Absolute Amazement[u]
(Screech)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Basilisk's Gaze[u]
(EM Pulse)<ul type="square">[*] 2.5% Defense(Energy,Negative), 1.25% Defense(Ranged)[*] 2% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] Status Resistance 5%[/list][u]Lockdown[u]
(Dominate)<ul type="square">[*] 3% DamageBuff(All)[*] 2.5% Enhancement(Held)[*] MezResist(Held) 2.2%[*] 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)[*] 3.75% Defense(Ranged), 1.88% Defense(Energy), 1.88% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Coercive Persuasion[u]
(World of Confusion)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 4% Enhancement(Confused)[*] 4% DamageBuff(All)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[*] 5% Defense(Ranged), 2.5% Defense(Energy), 2.5% Defense(Negative)[/list][u]Fortunata Hypnosis[u]
(Mass Hypnosis)<ul type="square">[*] 4% (0.07 End/sec) Recovery[*] 2.52% Resistance(Fire,Cold)[*] 15% Enhancement(Accuracy)[*] 10% Enhancement(RechargeTime)[/list][u]Steadfast Protection[u]
(Mind Over Body)<ul type="square">[*] 1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery[*] 3% Defense(All)[*] Knockback Protection (Mag -4)[/list]

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Yep. Despite apologia, the fact remains that defenders hit like girls with muscular dystrophy. I know it's for balance. It's just one of those things that makes you sigh when you are reminded of it. Defenders are still an amazing AT, but just like scrappers aren't known for their debuffs, defenders aren't known for their damage dealing.

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I agree Defendes really do bring alot to the table. There is no shame in doing less damage then others.

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So that smiley is actually "smirk"? Huh.

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What do controllers have that beats Sonic Blasts?

Im going to say nothing. Becuase really stacking -res is just absurd.