Lycanus

it might be easier to post directly here, but then I lose all my formatting and the charts are unreadable, anybody know an easy way to port from excel to here?

Anyway, I was going to continue on to figure out Threat per Second, but my initial method had some flaws and then I realized that you can't isolate TPS by power set anyway.

TPS is going to change a lot based on what powers you have meshed together: primary, secondary and power pools

Okay, there's a LOT of missing pieces in Threat, so all this is very rough estimates (though I will use the same numbers I calculated without much rounding)

anyway, the formula we are given is:

damage * debuff mod * AT mod * range mod * AI mod * (Tauntduration * 1000) = threat

I'm ignoring range mod since I have absolutely no info on that

I'm also ignoring AI mod since that depends on the individual enemy

I'm assuming all debuffs have a mod of 2 based on info in Paragon Wiki (http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Threat)

Tankers have an AT mod of 4

They also have a Taunt Modifier of 2.050 which is multiplied in as well.

If the power deals no damage, the modifier for the damage is 1

If the power does not have a taunt aspect (there are a few, such as burn) the duration is assumed to be 1

The final formula looks like this:

dam * debuff (1 or 2) * 4 * 1000 * duration * 2.05

Threat is then listed by millions with decimal places being thousands. Basically, a rating of 1 means that the power in question produces 1,000,000 threat when used.

all stated accuracies are listed, those that are autohit in PvE are noted

These are based on unenhanced base stats for level 50 tankers.

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Note, I need some more information on Rise to the Challenge, my current rating is based on an assumption of having three-quarters the duration of other taunt auras. I've heard some unconfirmed rulers that the duration is actually 1 second, which would reduce it's threat rating to 0.016.
Chart, somewhat formatted.

Toggle: Threat - Accuracy - Spec
Click Power: Threat - Recharge - Animation - Accuracy

Dark Armor
Death Shroud: 0.480 - 1
Dark Regeneration: 0.480 - 30 - 1.17 - 1 - 10 targets
Cloak of Fear: 0.108 - 0.67
Oppressive Gloom: 0.108 - 1 - .96 dam/tar to user

Electric Armor
Lightning Field: 0.961 - 1
Power Sink: 0.008 - 60 - 2.03 - 1 - 10 targets

Fiery Aura
Blazing Aura: 0.528 - 1
Consume : 0.961 - 180 - 2.03 - 1 - 10 targets
Burn: 0.026 - 25 - 2.03 - 1 - unknown targets - fear - autohit
Rise of the Phoenix: 0.217 - 300 - 1.5 - 1 - 10 targets

Fiery Aura With Fiery Embrace Running - 30 seconds
Blazing Aura: +0.528 - 1
Consume: +0.961 - 180 - 2.03 - 1 - 10 targets
Burn: +0.026 - 25 - 2.03 - 1 -unknown targets

Ice Armor
Chilling Embrace: 0.108 - 1 - autohit
Energy Absorption: 0.108 - 60 - 1.33 - 1 - 10 targets
Icicles: 0.480 - 1

Invulnerability
Invincibility: 0.108 - 1 - autohit

Shield Defense
Against All Odds: 0.108 - 1 - autohit
Shield Charge: 7.627 - 90 - 1.5 - 1 - unknown targets

Shield Defense with Against All Odds:
Shield Charge: +0.7627 per opponent to a max of 15.636

Stone Armor
Mud Pots: 0.865- 1

Stone Armor With Granite Armor
Mud Pots -0.26

Willpower (need more info on which of these is accurate)
Rise to the Challenge(3/4s duration): 0.081 - 1 - autohit
Rise to the Challenge(1 sec duration): 0.008 - 1 - autohit
Battle Axe 81% to hit
Beheader: 2.402 - 4 - 1.33 - 1.05
Chop: 4.273 - 8 - 1.33 - 1.05
Gash: 4.709 - 10 - 1.5 - 1.05
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Swoop: 5.477 - 12 - 1.83 - 1.05
Whirling Axe: 2.402 - 14 - 2.67 - 1.05 - 10 targets
Cleave: 6.63 - 15 - 2.33 - 1.05 - 10 targets
Pendulum: 4.564 - 15 - 2 - 1.05

Battle Axe With Build Up (101% to hit)
Beheader: +1.921
Chop: +3.152
Gash: +3.767
Swoop: +4.381
Whirling Axe: +1.921
Cleave: +5.304
Pendulum: +3.652

Dark Melee 75% to hit
Shadow Punch: 4.036 - 3 - 0.83 - 1
Smite: 6.342 - 6 - 0.97 - 1
Shadow Maul: 10.359 - 8 - 3.07 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Siphon Life: 9.418 - 10 - 1.93 - 1
Touch of Fear: 0.108 - 8 - 1.17 - 1.2
Soul Drain: 2.402 - 120 - 2.37 - 1.2 - 10 targets
Dark Consumption: 3.844 - 180 - 1.03 - 1 - 10 targets
Midnight Grasp: 13.259 - 15 - 2.07 - 1

Dark Melee With minimal Soul Drain (85% to hit)
Shadow Punch: +1.615
Smite: +2.537
Shadow Maul: +4.143
Siphon Life: +3.767
Dark Consumption: +1.538
Midnight Grasp: +5.303

Dark Melee each additional target hit by Soul Drain (+2% to hit)
Shadow Punch: +0.323
Smite: +0.507
Shadow Maul: +0.829
Siphon Life: +0.753
Dark Consumption: +0.307
Midnight Grasp: +1.061

Dual Blades 85% to hit
Nimble Blade: 2.018 - 3 - 1.03 - 1
Power Slice: 2.786 - 5 - 1.4 - 1
Ablating Strike: 6.342 - 6 - 1.03 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Typhoon's Edge: 2.739 - 12 - 2.27 - 1 - 10 targets
Typhoon's Weaken: 5.478 - 1 - 10 targets
Typhoon's Sweep: 4.108 - 1 - 10 targets
Blinding Feint: 1.922 - 1.2 - 1
Vengeful Slice: 3.94 - 8 - 2.43 - 1
Sweeping Strike: 4.084 - 11 - 1.23 - 1
Sweeping Vitals: 6.487 - 1
One Thousand Cuts: 5.673 - 15 - 3.3 - 1 - 10 targets

Dual Blades With Blinding Feint (95% to hit, 98.3% to hit with Empower)
Nimble Blade: +0.757
Power Slice: +1.045
Ablating Strike: +2.378
Typhoon's Edge: +1.027
Typhoon's Weaken: +2.054
Typhoon's Sweep: +1.54
Blinding Feint: +0.721 (yes it is possible to reduce the rec on BF so that it can enhance itself)
Vengeful Slice: +1.182
Sweeping Strike: +1.225
Sweeping Vitals: +2.433
One Thousand Cuts: +2.127

Electric Melee 82% to hit
Charged Brawl: 2.018 - 3 - 0.83 -1
Havoc Punch: 3.171 - 6 - 1.5 - 1
Jacob's Ladder: 3.603 - 8 - 1.67 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Thunder Strike: 9.418 - 18 - 3.3 - 1 - 10 targets
Chain Induction: 23.16 - 14 - 1 - 1
Lightning Clap: 0.108 - 30 - 1.23 - 0.8 - 10 targets
Lightning Rod: 7.64 - 90 - 2.57 - 1 - unknown targets

Electric Melee With Build Up 102% to hit
Charged Brawl: +1.615
Havoc Punch: +2.537
Jacob's Ladder: +2.883
Thunder Strike: +7.534
Chain Induction: +18.528
Lightning Rod: +6.112

Energy Melee 75% to hit
Barrage: 3.171 - 6 - 1.33 - 1
Energy Punch: 2.402 - 4 - 0.83 - 1
Bone Smasher: 3.94 - 8 - 1.5 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Whirling Hands: 2.402 - 14 - 2.5 - 1 - 10 targets
Stun: 1.201 - 20 - 1.8 - 1
Energy Transfer: 10.955 - 20 - 2.67 - 1.2
Total Focus: 17.105 - 20 - 3.3 - 1.2

Energy Melee with Build Up (95% to hit)
Barrage: +2.537
Energy Punch: +1.922
Bone Smasher: +3.152
Whirling Hands: +1.922
Stun: +0.961
Energy Transfer: +8.764
Total Focus: +13.684

Fiery Melee 75% to hit
Scorch: 2.018 - 3 - animation time missing - 1
Fire Sword: 3.171 - 6 - 1.33 - 1
Combustion: 3.123 - 3 - 1 - 10 targets
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - main target autohit
Breath of Fire: 3.267 - 10 - 2.67 - 1.2
Fire Sword Circle: 3.724 - 20 - 2.67 - 1
Incinerate: 6.005 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - 10 targets
Greater Fire Sword: 5.861 - 12 - 2.33 - 1.2

Fiery Melee With Build Up (95% to hit)
Scorch: +1.615
Fire Sword: +2.537
Combustion: +2.499
Breath of Fire: +2.614
Fire Sword Circle: +2.979
Incinerate: +4.804
Greater Fire Sword: +4.689

Ice Melee 75% to hit
Frozen Fists: 3.928 - 3 - 1.33 - 1
Ice Sword: 6.342 - 6 - 1.33 - 1
Frost: 7.782 - 11 - 2.27 - 1 - 10 targets
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - main target autohit
Ice Patch: 0.008 - 35 - 3.47 - 2 - unknown targets
Freezing Touch: 8.074- 16 - 1 - 1
Greater Ice Sword: 9.418 - 10 - 2.33 - 1.2
Frozen Aura: 6.822 - 20 - 2.1 - 1 - 10 targets

Ice Melee with Build Up (95% to hit)
Frozen Fists: +3.142
Ice Sword: +10.401
Frost: +5.074
Freezing Touch: +6.46
Greater Ice Sword: +7.536
Frozen Aura: +5.458

Stone Melee 82% to hit
Stone Fist: 2.402 - 4 - 0.83 - 1
Stone Mallet: 3.94 - 8 - 1.61 - 1
Heavy Mallet: 5.477 - 12 - 1.63 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - main target autohit
Fault: 0.108 - 20 - 2.1 - 0.8 - 10 targets
Hurl Boulder: 7.88 - 8 - 2.5 - 1
Tremor: 2.402 - 14 - 3.3 - 1 - 10 targets
Seismic Smash: 17.105 - 20 - 1.5 - 1.2

Stone Melee with Build Up (102% to hit)
Stone Fist: +1.922
Stone Mallet: +3.152
Heavy Mallet: +4.381
Hurl Boulder: +6.303
Seismic Smash: +13.684

Super Strength 75% to hit
Jab: 1.634 - 2 - 1.07 - 1
Punch: 2.402 - 4 - 1.2 - 1
Haymaker: 3.94 - 8 - 1.5 - 1
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Hand Clap: 0.108 - 30 - 1.23 - 0.8 - 10 targets
Knockout Blow: 17.105 - 25 - 2.23 - 1.2
Hurl: 7.88 - 8 - 2.5 - 1
Foot Stomp: 3.411 - 20 - 2.1 - 1 -10 targets

Super Strength with Rage (95% to hit)
Jab: +2.679
Punch: +1.922
Haymaker: +3.152
Knockout Blow: +13.684
Hurl: +6.303
Foot Stomp: +1.664

War Mace 90% to hit
Bash: 2.402 - 4 - 1.33 - 1.05
Pulverise: 3.94 - 8 - 1.5 - 1.05
Jawbreaker: 4.709 - 10 - 1.83 - 1.05
Taunt: 0.329 - 10 - 1.67 - 1 - autohit
Clobber: 14.03 - 16 - 1.23 - 1.05
Whirling Mace: 2.691 - 14 - 2.67 - 1.05 - 10 targets
Shatter: 5.477 - 12 - 2.33 - 1.05
Crowd Control: 3.868 - 12 - 2 - 1.05 - 10 targets

War Mace with Build Up (110% to hit)
Bash: +1.922
Pulverise: +3.152
Jawbreaker: +3.767
Clobber: +11.224
Whirling Mace: +2.153
Shatter: +4.381
Crowd Control +3.094

How often do the various aura's proc?

I think Death Shroud, Blazing Aura, Icicles, Lightning Field and Mud Pots proc about once each second

but I'm not certain about the more subtle auras like:

Invincibility
Rise to the Challenge
Against all Odds
Chilling Embrace
Cloak of Fear
Oppressive Gloom

do those also proc 1/sec or are they quicker?

well, until I get more detailed info, I'll put a 2 debuff modifier on things since I see somewhere most people assume most debuffs are at that level

I'd go for Predator/Gladiator and pick up the Combat Shield for tough battles (think you can max out its bonus to about 20 minutes lasting)

I'm not sure what it is, but I think it is S/L and then build up on top of that.

I'm wondering if anybody has done any datamining to figure at the threat modifiers for different types of debuffs and status effects as well as range modifiers.

At the very least, I'd like to know which debuffs cause the most threat:

slow
-tohit
-def
-dam
-res
-rec
dizzy
hold
immob
kb
sleep
confuse
-perc

I know that this has been asked for before, but seriously, more non-humanoid enemies would be a big boon.

Heck, you can use the same cylinder skeleton as the jaegers and spiders for things like dogs and big-cats maybe.

I'd also still like to see sharks in the water, and I don't care if they follow me on land...it's a fantasy setting anyway.

As usual when people post these things:

http://thrythlind.deviantart.com/gal...acter-Profiles

take your pick, have fun.

http://thrythlind.deviantart.com/gal...eneral-Fiction

oh, they're not bad shots, just thought I'd give you a way to get a closer look

find a wall, walk closer to the wall with the camera moved to around in front of the character....you can get some real close shots that way

I've got a couple artists to add for you:

infinitesilence: http://infinitesilence.deviantart.com/

ROE-MESQUITA: http://roe-mesquita.deviantart.com/

both on Deviant Art

hmm, now, see, this is counter to my consistent stands on matters.

Basically, I'd be for putting whips into the hands of scrappers, stalkers, brutes and tankers and the laser plasma rifle in the hands of blasters, defenders and corruptors.

I don't like power sources being ONLY available to one AT.

There's no reason that a person with a sword can't fight in a tankerish manner, for example.

to me, the uniqueness should be HOW the item/power is used, not the power/item itself.

In Masterminds case, the fact that they have henchman is what makes them unique

I'll never be for an AT only weapon with the possible exception of the Arachnos Maces, since it does make sense only Arachnos minions would have it

thanks...I could extend it with some of my fiction-related art, but not right now

Arc 1: It begins with a riot... (ARC ID: 110465)

Levels 1-15

The hero is called to put down a riot and stumbles upon the trail of a vicious murderer with delusions of righteous grandeur.

Arc 2: Witch Hunt (ARC ID: 336680)

Levels 10-20

Continuing on from "It begins with a riot...", the hero has questions about the way things ended with the first story and uncovers a greater danger.

Wyrmling(50 fire/fire tank):
Green Team group pic
Chibi-Wyrm
Kaiju-Fu
Wyrmling Reclines

Medusae(41 earth/rad tank):
Medusae
Medusae by Space Coyote
Medusae in Armor
Armor and Undead-Slaying Axe
Medusae Startled
Hanging out with Namikashi

Endcaller Mara(45 dark/elec defender):
Wrath of Heaven
Bikini

Blood Rose(50 dark/regen scrapper/22 dark/dark tanker):
Gathering Power
vs Vandal sans Vines
vs Vandal with Vines(Midnight Grasp)

Dorsal/Mikosame/Same-Bito (32 kat/inv scrapper/28 trick/arch defender/6 will/db tanker):
Frenzy...this is actually by me, hence how bad it is
Uniform
Vs Dark Bird(Gold Digger character)
One of my Versions of Kuwiko
First ever version of Kuwiko

Calico Rey (18 dark/shield scrapper):
Meet the Diggers

Satyr Dae (8 storm/elec defender):
Reclining

Greyskin (22 inv/ss tanker - pic is more based on Champions PnP version):
Greyskin unveiled

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Various References

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Comments or offers to add appreciated.

Amethyst Sword
Blood Rose
Sang-Yoon Koga
Dorsal/Mikosame/Same-Bito
Endcaller Mara
Galatea Durandal
Castle Rat. Note: The Mako costume has been replaced with a Shampoo costume
Detective Crimson Rice
Medusae
Saffron-Chan
Wyrmling

Those are some of my more well-played characters (though Sa-Yoo is a port from a Scion chat game). Sorry for the large group of them, but I tend to have a habit of directing people at my galleries and saying: "pick one and have fun"