IanTheM1

You have to realize two things.

One, the SGs I'm in are not particularly active. But the cost is not the issue here, rather the inconvenience of having to actively pay that rent, and deal with the consequences of it lapsing.

Second, those SGs would not incur any rent under the old system, and I didn't appreciate having that rug pulled out from under me with the ones that existed prior to that change.

Taser hasn't been a melee attack for a good while now. Out of all the powers in Devices, it's one of the last I would consider changing, honestly.

I do agree with giving Voltaic Sentinel something, though. A chain effect would be dandy.

I hate to repeat myself and essentially cross-post, but as I said in the announcement thread for the Party Pack - when rednames go silent, marketing is to blame. Obviously I can't know for certain, but that's my theory.

It's likely well-buried by now, but another thing brought up in the thread is that the Party Pack has a lot of incredibly suspicious and downright ignorantly-designed elements to it.

Honestly? I'm cynical enough to believe that the party event is a last-ditch, low-cost attempt at drumming up interest in the pack. I could easily be wrong, but my imagination tends to wander when left in silence.

And, to boot, Empowerment Stations contribute to your SG base tax, on top of the relative priceyness of the later models, requiring both a chunk of salvage to craft and a chunk of prestige to place.

I've commented on this before, but it's certainly a start that the NPC costume options that came with Going Rogue were unlocked by default. Probably due to money changing hands in order to access them, but it's a start.

Paragon Police are really too basic to bother turning into a whole Epic AT. Outside of Hardsuits, and maybe certain units in the SWAT division, they can be pretty much be replicated by players already.

On the other hand, I soooooo want the Praetorian Police powers. The tricky part there is making their story content different enough from the existing Loyalist stuff.

Kheldians purposefully get more powers in their primary and secondary than normal in order to make up for the lack of APPs.

I don't see the point in replacing endurance with what is effectively a different kind of endurance. On that note, I don't think Mag Dump would work, since I'm pretty sure animation times have to be static. I dig Barrage though.

I also thoroughly disagree with uberschveinen.

That topic title said "re-done," implying the arc(s) had to have been completed in the first place.

How could I forget these. At least the Phalanx TFs are workable as-is. The VEAT arcs, not so much.

Well, actually, I'm more making the point that there's too many potent defense debuffs at low levels, which affects everyone rather than just SR.

I'm also pretty sure this thread, and a lot of the feelings in it, have been spurred on by the somewhat harder difficulty curve of the missions in Praetoria.

Basically, while my motivations may stem from many disparate problems, changing Rest would help address all of them at once with the change of a single power.

To be fair, if you purposefully interrupt or simply shut off Rest before the interrupt period is over, it doesn't go into cooldown. I've been in that situation before, both with wasting Rest and purposefully pulling out of it, and both tend to be rarer than having to wait for Rest to come back.

That's an iffy hypothetical, IMO. Such a strategy would require pure-melee enemies, a very large map, and/or the speed of a travel power to actually buy you enough time to recover much of anything before they're on you again.

And in the end, even if it did work, it might reduce the risk of ambushes, but not in a way that could be leveraged for more reward over time. Honestly, if someone goes to that much effort to make sure they don't die to an ambush, more power to 'em. Especially since it would probably be easier to just leave the mission.

At such low levels, I might have the first auto if any of them, making the scaling resistance fairly minimal. Purples are also iffy due to the defense debuffs that were getting me wrecked in the first place.

A little of column A, a little of column B. I play lots of low level characters, and it happens often enough to be a rather annoying inconvenience, which sours my fun. Of course, it also never happens at all on my higher level characters because I never use Rest anymore by then.

I'll once again point out that the ways you listed are not reliable or always available. I've also had plenty of Brutes who will run out of endurance even when taking advantage of endurance reduction enhancements, particularly in small teams.

And this is all already possible and a pretty common defensive strategy, especially when soloing. Being up more often doesn't change how risky Rest is, which is not particularly.

Because the numbers Arcana supports aren't necessarily good enough. Let me paint a picture of exactly why I'm for this change:

I'm on a low-level SR Scrapper, soloing through a mission. Thanks to defense debuffs and constantly-spawning +1s, it's a tough, but manageable fight. After one such encounter, I'm all out of endurance, so I take a knee and Rest it back to full. Now that I'm ready for the next mob, I run in and...nearly get creamed thanks to that Lieutenant, but I just managed it.

So here I am, at 25% health. Rest is still on cooldown, and none of my remaining inspirations can be combined into a green. What do? Moving forward is suicide, running to get inspirations is equally time-consuming and annoying thanks to my contact being a zone or two away (and who knows how bad that would be if I didn't have Ninja Run).

I'll admit, 60 second Rest would be a godsend, and it might even solve that very real situation I presented in a timely enough fashion. But, 60 seconds or not, I would still be sitting around doing nothing waiting for Rest or natural Regen for some amount of time (let's say 15-30 seconds at most with a 60 second cooldown, followed by the time it takes to heal back up), to the point where having it instantly be up seems more reasonable. In other words, if the time remaining on Rest after such an encounter is 15 seconds, why make me wait any longer?

Based on that admittedly rough math, I'd almost be willing to advocate Rest with a 30 second recharge. But I know that there would still be some sort of edge case, or critical fumble, or just plain bad luck that could still happen even with the recharge that low. So instead, I'm still on board with 0.

(Plus I'm also bugged by that whole "have to wait before I can Rest" thing. )

The entire game? I'll firmly disagree there. Rechargeless Rest doesn't mean anything to a well-constructed eight man team with plenty of debuffs, buffs, and damage all while pushing the purple cap and blazing through enemies. Heck, it pretty much means nothing once a single Empathy character is in play.

The only notable speed increase would be towards the low levels, and speeding those up was already a developer goal when they adjusted the XP curve. I also doubt it would actually affect things all that much since, as has been said, the need for Rest to come back immediately is not a constant, thanks to lots of mitigating factors.

In short, this might slightly nudge the low-end of the playerbase closer to the high-end, but since those speeds are already possible, I don't see the issue.

What was that you said about hyperbole? I will once again state that, while I could be wrong, I'm pretty sure the only person that seems to keep trotting out this "rest every mob" thing is you.

Or maybe the consequences we've considered all sound good, or minor enough to not shut down the idea? It's really baffling how from the very first post EvilGeko gave a number of fair, if brief, arguments as part of his proposal, but apparently we just want thoughtless changes for the sake of thoughtless changes...

This has been parroted throughout the entire thread, yet I apparently missed where it was said. Who said they had to Rest after every single fight without exception? How is going AFK while Rest is recharging even hyperbolic if Sam actually does it (but then I fully believe he does)?

1) TOs are pretty lame, DOs depend on drops or money, IOs the same, plus the market. And low levels = low number of slots.
2) Inspirations are unreliable, especially since low-level characters have less room for them.
3) Recovery Serum is a rare temp power drop (I've never gotten it yet on any character), plus requires the salvage. Unfortunately I can't find the info on exactly what components you need and how cheap they are.
4) See 1.

I will continue to point this out: This is already possible, Rest or no Rest. It is entirely possible to simply wait the handful of minutes to top up your health and endurance after every mob. Or pop inspirations. Or use Health and Stamina. Or use a friendly Empath. You seem to be under the impression that Rest would uniquely eliminate some sort of risk from the game, that is already regularly circumventable.

While as was said, this isn't really possible to do with phasing tech, this needs to happen anyway for story consistency reasons.

At the moment, you meet one Crey character, who is an optional encounter (in the tutorial), before level 30. After level 30, Crey actually start showing up and they're immediately portrayed as corrupt and evil.

We need a few missions/arcs in the mid-levels where you actually work alongside Crey, the Paragon Protectors, and even Hero Corps (two contacts notwithstanding).

Looking at Paragon Wiki, I found the problem. There are 28 generic Villains available, but only 13 generic Heroes. Not sure how those numbers stack up in light of the side-switching storylines, though.

That said, they're not "pre-fab". They've always been pretty blatantly designed to mimic player-made characters. Seems like they just badly need to make more heroes, and randomize both groups better. Oh, and add in a few existing NPCs that we already have that need to be used more, like the Civic Squad.

I wasn't only talking about endurance, and I wasn't necessarily saying it was always an every mob thing. And I did say it depended on AT and other things, such as whether you're fighting in a group or solo, what enemies you're fighting, and so on.