Hammerfall

Well the 1v1 hugging can happen on any zone. Personally I'm using my stalker to get at the hero grinders atm, and having great fun in doing so. Thank you positron for bringing us the double xp and allowing me to get my stalker up levels to recluses victory. Now the proverbial fox has found her way to the henhouse

I bid you join me..

Its pretty much the only real problem, the people who think they have a divine mandate to grind in RV freely for as much as they like. Actually I recently discovered that there seems to have developed an entire subculture of grinders on defiant.

I have been talking against heavies and rewards, but that is just an indirect way of getting at the grinders.

Cool, hope they stay

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makos is a [censored] melee set

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Why is that?

Eviscerate/energy transfer dont, again. On the plus side, eviscerate has a chance to crit out of hide.

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I wouldnt go for NB in pvp, really. Your most damaging attack, golden dragonfly, has not 100% change to critical when in hide.

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Same for other primaries..

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Toxic attacks, as there is no such thing as Toxic Defence, so I suppose you could call them Untyped for the purposes of this discussion.

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There is toxic res though.

I agree with knight stalker, pick up something that has good single target attacks and/or debuffs (unless you want to be support) and see what will happen. I'd recommend something bit durable at first though, so you would have some chance of observing whats going on without falling down immediately when a stalker looks at you in a bad way .

Scrappers are pretty safe, balanced option. And theres usually more heroes than villains so its safer that way too.

Stalkers who get invisibility (pool power) to go along with hide can observe fights in sirens call from relatively safe vantage point. They are also pretty easy to pick off sheep that have strayed off from the pack..

Tankers (especially ice and fire in sirens) can be pretty safe too, but wont get many kills. Just concentrate on self-healing ability.

Masterminds are troublesome to manage but can become nearly unkillable at higher lvl, not necessarily a beginners option though.

Brutes might be nice too, /fire brute would be actually interesting in sirens.

EDIT: My post concerns only zone pvp. For arena, well, best to try arena with SOMETHING and then figure what kind of toon would you like for arena. Observing other peoples fights and asking them for opinions is also good.

Dont forget that warburg safe zone only applies to people of same side. Villains can kill heroes freely within the ship 'safe' zone.. If they avoid the drones.

Im sort of interested to see what its like but I dont have Hami-lvl toons on Union so itd have to be on Defiant.

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quite a few of us stay in it for the hope

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hope of what? That someone else will lead a raid? Here is news for you. I am leading raids.

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Oh I see, in your raids there is no hope

Well I try to avoid generalizing and I know from pvp nights there are lots of nice people on union. But Ive been to union SC maybe 3 times this year and every time there has been someone like above. Not having a good pvp toon for beating them also gets to me >_<

In addition Im getting bit disillusioned about COX PVP in general atm. I hope venting my frustration on the grinders in defiant RV helps a bit in near future, with my stalker project.

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"EMPATH OMG U NOOBS U BRING EMPATH I AM STALKER/SOLO (CAUSE I AM NUBCAKE AND DONT KNOW TO GET A TEAM IN A PVP ZONE) U GET HEALED U RUIN ME,DEVS REMOVE ALL POWERS FROM GAME LETS DO BRAWL ONLY"

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Well this is in conjunction with my experiences from union zone pvp It may not be that bad overall but there seems to be more juveniles there than on defiant. Too bad I dont have serious pvp characters on union at all, just my domi who pretty much sucks in pvp.

ps. the empath issue is silly..I have no problem with empaths when playing my stalker, I always assume my opponents are at +percep cap anyway until proven otherwise.

Maybe the devs should change Hami raid reward into TWO HOs of choice.. I havent done new Hami and I dont know if I ever get around to again The change was a sham.

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value + percentage = value x (1 + (perc/100)).

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Yes, but in this case the value itself is also a %-value, so it is possible to count the increase as percentage-units like
14% + 56% = 70%
OR
like you say, normal %-increase: 14% * 1.56 = 21,84%.

Its much easier to say this in finnish, apparently the double meaning doesnt exist so much in english language. I was originally wondering which of the options it is.

ps. I got it right the first time so theres no confusion about the formula anymore, I just wanted to say what made me confused in the first place

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base def + enh = total def of a power.

Base 20% def ranged, 2 20% SOs make 20 x 1.40 = 28%

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Well heres what is confusing, first you say + and then you use multiply...

ps. Ninjitsu base values are so low :<

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Basically the idea is that you've got the Base defence that a Power gives, say 30% Melee.
You then enhance this by sticking 3 SO DefBuffs in there. This gives just under a 60% increase due to ED.

So now you've got 30 Base + (30 x 0.6) Enhancement = 48% Melee Defence Total.

If you then use Positional-Defence Set Bonuses from IOs, they add directly to your total defence %, so a 3% Bonus to Melee would put you at 51% Melee Defence total.

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So it goes how I expected, thanks Mael.

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2 20% SOs make 20 x 1.40 = 28%

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Example from game, my danger sense (lvl 42 stalker), has three +23,2% def enhancements. The buff/debuff value game gives while hovering mousepointer over the power is 57.4%.
So my total def would be according to you 13.8% + 57.4% = 71,2% def (ranged/aoe) I somehow doubt that...

You mean its more beneficial, not easier..?

Hmm, slightly related question that has bugged me a bit, whats the formula to count the total defense (typed or positional) when taking enhancement buffs and set buffs int account?

ie. If I have base of for instance 13,8% def(ranged), and I have enhancements that state (+50% defense) in the tooltip, Is the resulting total defense base + base*(enh buff %) = 20.7% in this case? Or is the enh buff counted on as %-units (which would sound too big)?

Where do the set bonuses apply in this? Straight to the total or what? Is there some place ingame where I can see the total defense? I guess there isnt.. Actually I think it would be best if the enhancement management screen would show the totals instead of buff amounts.. OR maybe not cause people like seeing numbers and in some cases the benefits are negligible..

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It seem it is. I remember that they fixed up a bunch of powers like Forcfield bubbles that they both typed as location defence give. Same with weave and that leadership one.

IIRC most setbonus give typed defence, only a few i've seen with location based.

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Theres a few positionals but it usually requires slotting 5 or 6 of a set

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makos bite 6=ranged def
touch of death 6=melee def
multistrike 5=aoe def,6=melee def
sciroccos dervish 5=aoe def
ruin 5=aoe def
thunderstrike 6=ranged def
detonation 5=aoe def
calibrated accuracy 6=ranged def
executioners contract 6=ranged def
extreme measures 5=aoe def, 6=melee def
harmonized healing 5=aoe def
miracle 5=aoe def
numina 6= ranged def
aegis 5=aoe def
reactive armor 5= aoe def
titanium coating 6=melee def
serendipity 5=aoe def
cacophony 5=aoe def, 6=ranged def
malaise 6=ranged def
perplex 5=aoe def
induced coma 6=melee def
impeded swiftness 6=melee def
pacing of the turtle 6=ranged def
tempered readiness 6=ranged def
debilitative action 5=aoe def
enfeebled operation 6=melee def
trap of the hunter 6=ranged def
..etc got bored.

I guess it makes sense to have positional defense up there so characters couldnt pile up crazy def thats always on too easily, but I dont like the typed def bonuses being so useless.

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Now does the system do a 1 check only (20% def) or will it check again, asume it hit dispite the 20% SL def, on the NRG defence? In other words, is it even usefull to have the NRG def toggle running against wailers as your SL defence is already taking all the tohit checks (exception on the cone sleep, wich is only nrg, but asume we have mez-resist ey).

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Does this mean that typed defense bonuses from IO sets are useless to my ninjitsu stalker? >_> Gah. This is not good.

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I found out that speaking in the request channel works, me and a friend were in SC, i said in request "Bring ur villains to SC!!" and 5 minutes later, we had 5 stalkers hunting us, lol x) Gotta love it

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Um request channel is zone-specific, so only those in sirens call would have heard it ^^

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The reason IMO is pretty much the exact reason Dark_Orgasmo says. Big mistake having Mercy -> Port Oakes -> Cap' such a linear journey.

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Yup its a bit of a design flaw..

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This mondays PvP will be Duels night. Its a practice for all those of you that will be taking part in the 3c event normal time start see ya there.

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hmm almost missed this. Think I will attend. Still test server right? what was the time again?

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Tanking (and I wish I didn't have to keep saying this) is not about taking damage. Tanking is about taking aggro. The perfect counter-example of this are Granite-only Stone tanks who are repeatedly the last one standing against huge mobs because they're virtually unkillable, but they simply can't control the aggro so all their teammates die. It doesn't matter how much damage you can or can't take, the important thing is that you can hold the attention of the mobs so that the rest of your team can do their jobs without having to worry about getting one-shotted by something that got loose.

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And there we go again with the 'what is tanking' story. Granite cant keep agro, fire is squisy and inv is dull and boring, ice tanker pwnz all.

For the record a sonic def can cap fire and inv kinda on every element, making them non less then a Granite. Its the whole story of finger pointing. My Granite hits nearly 2 years lvl50, i know very well what i am capable of and if i am able to keep agro. And clearly if 1 team member cant handle a lost minion, its more his playstyle then my 'agro management'.

And thus, issue 10 for inv and fire tankers.. get a sonic and behold. (this is very well proven and tested to high degree +3 AV tanking). So yeah a sonic is needed, but isnt a rad or kin also needed for STF?

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The answer lies somewhere in between. The tank primaries are different to provide variety. Variety is a fun factor. There is no 'best' overall set.