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Quote:As CallMeAwesome stated, I was referring to Defense Debuff Resistance(DDR), since you said, "I like shield charge and AAO, but def is easily debuffed." I was just saying that it is possible to achieve near /SR levels of DDR on a /Shield, making it exceptionally sturdy, especially when you consider the set's +HP and S/L resistances. Also, one cannot discount that more damage is also mitigation.Originally Posted by GSXR1
if i combind all my inf. i have 5Bill (about). never had much luck finding HOs on market super rare but what you suggest is interestin. even on my tanks my melee, rang, aoe def is only in the 50s and 60s. to do 90s on a scrapper is insane thanks. I'll look into it
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Quote:If you have the influence to invest in a /Shield, you can reach ~93% with Battle Agility fully slotted, Grant Cover, three Membrane HOs in Active Defense, and enough recharge to double-stack AD. My DM/Shield has 93.94% DDR, for example. If you can squeeze out a 4th slot in AD you could surpass 95%.Originally Posted by GSXR1
i have both of these in tanker form and i cant decide witch to make as my scrapper. My primary will be electric. I like shield charge and AAO, but def is easily debuffed. WP has better survivability but less damage potential. Anyone have either of these char's?? Any helpful advise on these two builds will be greatly appreciated.
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Quote:Interestingly, I've been fiddling with the idea of frankenslotting SL some and getting a damage proc in there. Granted, this is with the solitary goal of trying to get my DPS to break the 300 mark on a pylon run, not for general gameplay.Originally Posted by Andferne
With how good yall made the optimal slotting for Siphon Life sound. I don't think I would exchange that for a little more recharge. Especially is you already have more than enough to run the best attack chain smoothly.
I think for the pylon run I could afford to lose some Heal enhancement and also Accuracy. I have Tactics running constantly in my new revision, so Acc wouldn't be as needed, and with Comm Officers/minions I don't find that I need the maximised healing from SL as much.
Now I just need to buy a respec recipe...
As to the build - I wouldn't sacrifice the 3/3 HO slotting in SL for 10% recharge. Really, the difference in downtime for SD between having that 10% and not isn't going to affect your performance noticeably, yet the loss of optimal slotting in SL would likely be noticeable. -
Quote:Fire is good at damage... but if you're kiting, not to mention all of the click powers in /regen, you're actually lowering your DPS compared to other secondaries that can simply allow you to run an attack chain uninterrupted. Mind you, I'm not saying /regen is bad, my first 50 was a DM/Regen back in the I1-I4 hayday, but it does have a drawback in that it is more active than other secondaries.Originally Posted by Candlestick
My vote goes for Fire/Regen. It's a ton of fun, starts off strong and stays strong through the entire game. It plays differently then many scrappers, you actually kite around to minimize damage to yourself, and to give you breathing room for your heals.
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Quote:I got to 21 last night, and Energize with 3 recharge + Hasten has helped a lot. I think that Stamina with a Perf Shifter proc will allow for a much smoother and more enjoyable ride to get to Power Sink.Originally Posted by Katie V
Not 22, but 35. Once you get Power Sink, endurance is a total non-issue on a /Elec: you can completely refill your endurance bar every 30 seconds.
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Quote:I would recommend Kat/Elec. As far as BS/ is concerned, it lags behind Kat/ in every aspect(there's a current thread discussing this actually), and therefore you'd likely be happier with it than with BS/.Originally Posted by pocky
Here's what I hope to stay away from, for whatever reason (probably because either me or my brother already have one of that type):
Dual blades, Super Reflexes, willpower, invuln, shield, energy melee or defense
**note: I was heavily leaning toward electric armor, but it's totally up in the air now. I was also concidering broadsword. (thought- could these go together, even though they both use up alot of end?)
Since you'll be mostly teaming, ultimate survivability is likely less of a concern compared to achieving excellent DPS. Lightning Reflexes is going to allow you to reach the needed recharge levels for the top DPS Kat/ attack chain, so I think that alone makes /Elec a great alternative to /SR for a secondary. Besides this, Kat has DA, which works wonders when combined with a resist-based secondary.
I'm leveling a Kat/Elec right now who's at 20 - rough going until I got DA, which helped quite a bit. Endurance has been an issue, but I'm hoping that with just picking up Energize and looking at picking up Stamina at 22, this will no longer be a concern. -
It's a pretty good build - you have good survivability since you're soft-capped and have Aid Self. The only issue I see is that you dont have enough recharge to run Katana's best ST DPS attack chain, GD>GC>SD>GC. It requires 250% recharge in GD, 90% in GC, and 136% in SD.
To get the recharge, I'd drop Combat Jumping to pick up Hasten, if you want to keep Aid Self. Also, Tough being relegated to a mule for the steadfast IO is not unheard of, but a fully slotted Tough helps survivability quite a bit. I would also remove Swift and take Conserve Power so that you'll be at least approaching endurance sustainability.
Here's a No Purples/No PVP IOs Kat/SR I put together than doesn't have Aid Self, but has excellent regen, runs the GD>GC>SD>GC chain, is endurance sustainable, 95%+ Acc vs. +4 mobs in all attacks, and has 1802 HP with the +HP Accolades.
If desired, you could replace the Oblits in GD and the Crushing Impacts in GC with their respective Purple sets for increased damage and global recharge. If nothing else, it'll give you something to compare to.
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Quote:If someone were leaning towards an specifically AoE-centric character I might point to Elec/Shield/Blaze over a Fire/Shield/Blaze. The reason is that, eventually, Shield Charge is going to get nerfed/re-worked. I think this might skew the nearly parallel performance of the two primaries heavily in favor of Elec/ since it has Thunderstrike and Chain Induction to shore up the AoE damage that will be lost when Shield Charge's damage is reduced.Originally Posted by Werner
A Fire/Shield/Blaze would have less AoE than Electric/Shield/Blaze, but still a large amount. In an old farming thread, the Electric/Shield Scrappers didn't farm any faster than the Fire/Shield Scrappers, though there were very few responses there, so it could be down to individual similarities and differences in builds. The advantage of Fire is that it does better single target DPS, which is sometimes useful.
I take a long time to level a toon to 50 due to work and alt-itis so, if I'm investing in a toon seriously, I wouldn't want to suddenly find I am no longer the AoE beast I was pre-nerf. This is just a caveat since at the moment Fire Melee offers far more in terms of ST damage that more than off-sets the extra AoE powers that Elec/ has.
If you're not afraid of the eventual modification of Shield Charge affecting the AoE damage of a Fire/Shield then I would definitely recommend it over Elec/Shield, as the higher ST damage does make it far easier to deal with Bosses/EB/AVs. Also, it's fun to set things on fire. -
Quote:Hands down, DM/Shield for survivability, especially solo. Siphon Life, fully slotted for heal, equals ~40 HP/sec regen in combat without lowering DPS or relying on a silly tricorder.Originally Posted by Rooftop_Raider
1) What primary or primaries work best with SD in terms of survivability? Specifically solo in high level missions.
2) Are there notable holes in SD's game that needs to be made up somehow, either with IO's, inspirations, team buffs, etc?
3) What is the best character builder to use right now?
Thank you!
The main hole in /SD is the lack of a heal. DM/ fills this hole perfectly. If you do want more AoE, then go FM/ and grab Aid Self for optimal survivability.
The other thing you'd want to consider is getting enough recharge to double-stack Active Defense and at least 3-slotting it with Membrane HOs. By doing this, and taking Grant Cover, you can get near 95% DDR. Depending on what mobs you fight, you may not need such high DDR, but it is a consideration when discussing survivability. -
Kujutsu, my DM/SD was the most costly, though I'm not entirely sure of the total cost. The Gladiator +Def IO was 2 billion alone, add in Panacea proc for 800 mil, unqiues, and 14 HOs, plus 6-set Hecatomb and 5-set Armageddon.... I'd guess around 8 billion or so. I shudder to think of not only the influence investment, but the hours upon hours poring over the build to get it to do what I wanted it to do...
Wit'ch Fire, my FM/SR fireball build has no PVP IOs, but has three sets of purples, so I'd guess maybe 4.5 billion for her.
Lady Caladria, my wife's BS/Invul has two sets of purples and no PVP IO, so I'd guess maybe 3.5 billion for hers.
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Quote:I'm quoting this directly from Umbral in another thread:Originally Posted by MunkiLord
I'm working on a Claws/Elec scrapper right now and I'm wondering what is the best possible attack chain? What about second best in case I can't get that much recharge?
Quote:Originally Posted by Umbral
FU>Focus>Slash (with no wait) requires 314% +rech in FU, 102% +rech in Slash, and 142% +rech in Slash. Of course, you're still going to get great damage out of FU>Focus>Slash>Wait(.396 secs) which only requires 263% +rech in FU (a much more easily attainable goal).
FU>Focus>Eviscerate (no wait) is going to give you similar but slightly lower DPS to FU>Focus>Slash>Wait(.396), but requires 273% +rech in Eviscerate, 213% +rech in FU, and 80% +rech in Focus.
FU>Focus>Slash>Swipe (no wait) is going to give you moderate success that's lower than the other two strings, but with much more easily attainable requirements: 203% +rech in FU, 86% +rech in FU, 30% +rech in Slash, and no +rech in Swipe. -
Quote:Yeah. Just switch around powers. I didn't build it with exemplaring in mind since the original build she posted didn't seem to either.Originally Posted by Doomguide
Don't know if it's the best solution but a fast and easy change is to swap Lucky and Hasten around ... your AoE pre 45th would drop to 36.5 without Lucky (and DDR to just shy of 90%), one luck inspire away from back at the cap+ if you find yourself swamped in AoE.
If you don't mind using Hurdle + Ninja Run + Quickness for travel, the easiest solution to avoid losing early survival would be to swap the locations of Super Jump and Hasten. -
Quote:Other than the build being incomplete, I'm sad to say that it isn't a very good build. Your attacks are poorly enhanced and so are your defenses. You are only at softcap for AoE, which is actually the least important position (Melee being first). You shouldn't need to take DA or Elude, and both should be removed from the build once softcap to all three positions is attained.Originally Posted by Bunny_OHare
Thanks so much. I tried to incorporate some of the advice of a little bit of everyone. Here's what I've got so far. And as was mentioned, I do plan on working toward the Numina and Regen uniques to slot in health. Please let me know your thoughts on the new build, as its still under contruction (you'll notice some of the empty spots).
Quite frankly, I looked at the other suggested builds in the thread, and none of them are taking full advantage of the strengths of either your primary or secondary. Instead of trying to incorporate what everyone has told you, because some of it isn't terribly good advice, I would simply recommend you use the build I provided. -
Quote:I put this build together for you, and it is one I would definitely play. It uses no Purples and no PVP IOs. I did put in unique IOs: Kismet, Numina's, Miracle, and Regenerative Tissue. Of these, you would only need the Numina's in order to remain soft-capped to Ranged, and could work towards the others if you couldn't afford them immediately.Originally Posted by Bunny_OHare
@Gaidin: PVP IOs are out of the question, LOL. But apart from that, I don't mind spending the funs necessary to make Bunny more scrapper-worthy.
- soft-capped vs. all positions
- +95% Defense Debuff Resistance
- runs the GD > GC > SD > GC attack chain gapless (best katana attack chain)
- endurance sustainable (you can run the attack chain indefinitely without running out of endurance)
- +95%+ Acc vs. +4 mobs on all attacks
- Tough is fully slotted for 17.7% S/L resistance
- 309% Regeneration.
- has travel power (Super Jump)
If you get the four main Accolades, which I highly recommend you do if you haven't yet, you have 1802 HP and regen 23.2 HP/second. I have the four Accolades turned on in the build, but you can turn them off if you wish for comparison's sake.
If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. I worked over 11 hours today, so if I have made any errors due to being sleepy, please forgive me. I hope this helps.
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Quote:You need a total of 234.2% recharge in MG for the chain, so take whatever your global recharge is and add it to the recharge enhancement you have in MG to get the total.Originally Posted by Andferne
Guess the difference would be a overall +5% more recharge, or making Siphon Life have 10% more to its heal.
For example, in my live build, I have 147.5% global(including Hasten) and 87.71% recharge enhancement in MG for a total of 235.21%.
If you have a Mako's set in SL, you will gain a tremendous amount of survivability by slotting SL with Heal enhancement: ~40 HP/sec effective regen in combat. I would slot SL with heal enhancement regardless of how you re-work the build. -
Quote:With her running about, it will be nigh impossible to keep SD/AAO fodder around to get the DPS needed to finish her off. Good luck though!Originally Posted by Santorican
I'll have to try it on my dark/shield..............
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Quote:Pure Win.Originally Posted by Frosticus
Only one way to find out: ask the Old Spice Man for a personalized response to your question. He is the premier authority on manliness.
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Quote:I'd be glad to help, but I like to see people's own builds before I make one up, since you likely have certain power choices and build preferences that I would then take into account. When you post your build, please also note any power picks and build goals that you wish to achieve and/or not have altered. Also, if you have any spending limit or IOs that you don't wish to invest in, such as the PVP IOs for example.Originally Posted by Bunny_OHare
Hello fellow gamers!
I've respec'd twice now, and I'm happier than I was before, but I still think that my build could be better. (Particularly since I made a mistake with slotting when I did the last respec.) I'm a controller at heart, but I would love to have a kick-butt scrapper like so many great players do. I'm open to anything and looking for the best. You're fantastic players, and I look forward to your advice, so that I too may reach your upper echelon of scrapper-ness. ^_^
Thanks in advance and I'm excited to see your builds. I should have my current one up sometime this evening.
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Quote:The build I put together, which you can look at in the thread he linked to if you want, was somewhat different than Garthalus' live build, but for what he wanted, his worked out the best for him and is certainly capable of soloing AVs with.Originally Posted by Santorican
If Gaiden approves than I know its good, because Gaiden knows how to build builds.
As to the 5'/7' melee issue, I like Werner's explanation. It covered pretty much both sides of the argument well and also didn't insult anyone, either intentionally or unintentionally, while doing it. Well done. -
Quote:Whoo! Congrats! The first is always the biggest rush.Originally Posted by Garthalus
No temps, no inspirations, no click vet powers, etc. with my level 50 DM/SR Scrapper. Tackled Infernal, even con AV...
I am sooooo stoked now to go and tackle more!
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Quote:I went with /Shield. The ability to alternate Lightning Rod and Shield Charge for spawns with Fireball acting as the finishing AoE was too much fun to resist. It's a more expensive route than /SR though. If you can afford /Shield, I'd go with it. The higher HP and S/L resists really help ameliorate the need for a self-heal, in my experience anyway.Originally Posted by iBones
Whats the general consensus of a good secondary for elec melee? Do you go for the self heals of regen? Or the fast paced hit it or quit it of SR? I DONT like aid self. The overall animation and concept of needing "help" from some foreign tech device regardless of origin frustrates me.
If the choice is between /SR and /Regen only, I would personally prefer /SR as per my previously stated reasons. Also, Quickness helps LR recharge faster, which is always nice. -
Quote:/SR is a great secondary, and I especially like that it's a set-it-and-forget-it defensive set so that I can focus on scrappin'. It allows for easy softcapping and the ability to get 95% Defense Debuff Resistance(DDR), which allows for better survivability than a resist-based secondary without factoring in the ability to get Tough and/or Aid Self. Quickness also helps you to attain the recharge needed for top-end attack chains. /SR is the poor man's choice for AV soloing, as it can do so on a very modest budget.Originally Posted by iBones
Yes I was referring to the chance for heal, im sorry for not specifying.
As for the relationship between elec/sr, its my choice after elec/regen. I feel like for some reason regen is a good secondary, but after reading a few posts, i keep second guessing myself. Any advice? Is SR a good secondary? Or should I use something else?
If you have the influence and are choosing a primary that is compatible, I have found that /Shields is superior to /SR due to the ability to softcap, attain ~95% DDR, and have the added bonuses of AAO's +Dam, True Grit's +HP and S/L resists, and the added AoE of Shield Charge.
/Regen is good too, but is an active defensive set and it requires much more attention to achieve the innate survivability of a properly built /SR. /Regen does allow for better peak survivability, though even with this I like /SR better because, unless you're using Aid Self, you don't have to click on any defensive powers, thereby maintaining peak DPS. -
Quote:I think he was referring to the Chance for Heal proc. I recall there being a discussion about it before and, numerically, it is an almost insignificant amount of healing and that you're better off slotting a damage proc.Originally Posted by Werner
As for the original question, I wouldn't slot an attack for sleep, and you can get hit point and recharge bonuses in better ways.
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Quote:You're wrong so often that it's painful, and by often I mean always.Originally Posted by Fire_Minded
Ill tell you the same thing I tell everyone when they are deciding if they need 2 of there lower teir powers.....
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Quote:Werner, your explanation only included a few data points to go by, but I'll take it as if it were the only data points. I agree with you.Originally Posted by Werner
Well, we've been TRYING to address your "facts":
Was that helpful? Or am I still not explaining it well?
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
Mauk2, please read Werner's post for comprehension prior to replying.