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/This.

If he did that he wouldn't be the Je_Saist we know and love. Okay not love but if he changed we'd all be wondering who the hell took over his account and what the heck they did with him.

Yeah but how are you at making a useless character? You know the type.


"I'm a pure Healorz. I have no offensive abilities or buff/debuffs. I just stand in the back and spam Healz while mooching off of everyone else."

The devs also told us that Going Rogue was supposed to launch in the first quarter of 2010 and it didn't get released until 8 months later in August.

For every example you can think of where we got something early we can point to another where we got it late or haven't gotten it at all yet.

I21 will be ready when it's ready.

You fail to realize that this was beta tested by the devs before the game launched and they decided it was a horrible idea.

Then just a few years ago the same company that created this game tried freeform power selection in their new version of this game and guess what? It was still a horrible idea and they brought back and implemented Archetypes.

You had to spoil the surprise? We were waiting to see how long it would take the OP to read the announcement if he bothered to read it at all.

Snow's OK cuz the cat was already let out of the bag.

And how exactly does that differ from real life? No matter where you go or what you do you'll find the same thing is true. And it's true for both men and women.

/This.

The OP probably wasn't around a few years ago when a group of players sponsored an ingame event (a friendly party) and openly invited everyone to participate, and the fallout that occured a month later when the religous zealots and anti-that group idiots started complaining about Dev favoritism and tried to sponsor events and prayer meetings that alienated that group.


I really felt sorry for the poor mods back then.

It's always funny when someone tries to trot out this as an argument.

Please post a link to even ONE redname that ever said that Power Customization isn't going to happen.


Well?


We're waiting . . .


Oh that's right you can't post that link because the devs never said that.


Inherent Fitness? Yeah one Dev (who I believe doesn't even work here anymore, Please correct me if I'm wrong) once said he'd rather get rid of Stamina altogether than make Fitness inherent. But that was just him voicing his opinion, not him making a policy decision on what will be allowed in the game.

And all of Adeon's points have been mentioned dozens of times already every time these powersets get suggested. All you had to do was use the Search Tool before posting.

Remember the Search Tool is our friend.

The only person missing the point is you. In issue 21 all AT's become Heroic as players will be able to run thru the GALAXY CITY TUTORIAL (a heroic zone) and become any AT they like.

Aside from the fact that you are the one that brought it up in the first place, in this very thread you are trying to justify that MM's are evil.

So if you didn't want to discuss this then you should have never posted it in the first place.

Exactly. No powerset/AT is evil. The player decides whether or not a character is evil.

From your posts it's fairly obvious that you really don't get it.

You say that, but your own words show that you don't believe it.

No, I think I'd like to hear what everyone else thinks about this. It's too late for you to take it off the table.

Harry Dresden - Has used Necromancy to fight evil.
Ghost Rider - Is a demon that fights evil
Sue Storm of the Fantastic Four - Uses Invisibility to fight evil
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - Splinter uses ninjas to fight Shredder
The Hulk - Uses fury and rage just like a Brute
Naruto - More heroic ninjas
Autobots - Robotic MM superheroes
MetalMen - An old comic but still still a heroic MM using robot super heros
Spawn - A man who became a demon that fought evil.
Daimon Hellstrom - A son of the devil. It's hard to get more demon/devilish than that and he fought against evil.

I'm sure there are more examples that I can't remember off the top of my head.

1. No one has suggested that. Role playing a power as something else would be pretending Energy is a Water attack, or Ice Blast is actually Diamond Blast, or Dark Armor is actually a Body Oder Armor.
2. Then why are you playing a Role Playing Game? This is an MMORPG.
3. The Powers/AT's themselves are neither good nor evil. It's the player that decides how they are to be used.

Just because you don't like the responses you are getting doesn't mean they haven't contributed to the thread. If you can't handle getting criticism, then don't post. Send your ideas via PM to the devs.

Yes. This is after all a ROLE PLAYING GAME where people play the ROLE of fictional comic book characters.

Really? Then why did you post this in the one section least likely to get a redname response?

Player Questions Got a Question? Get an answer! Players helping players find information related to CoH/CoV.


Notice that it doesn't say rednames helping players? We can't answer this and it's very unlikely that if you are lucky enough to get a redname to respond that it will be a satisfactory answer. Most likely they'll say they can't say, they'll look into it, or they don't have anything planned at this time.

The devs have said that all free players have to do is spend $5 bucks to be upgraded to a premium account. They can even buy an old edition of the game for less than $5 bucks from Amazon and get a free month as a VIP before dropping to Premium.

No I don't mistake you. The fact that you can't see as how it applies to what you are arguing isn't my problem.

If you don't know how different each powerset plays in any given archetype then you obviously haven't been playing the game much. Some powers are great in the beginning and the set balances out as you get higher while other sets are weak in the beginning and get great as you get higher.

Allowing this fiasco would let players mini-max builds and totally destroy game balance.

That really isn't an assumption. It's basically true, but what the people that come up with these ideas don't want to acknowledge is that just because something "can" be done doesn't mean that it should or will be done for that matter.

A certain other super hero MMO tried the free form method of power selection and they were forced to switch back to using archetypes like we have here.

/unsigned. The existing powersets are designed to be balanced so no one can make a uber character or a totally gimped one without a lot of effort.

We already do. They are called Epic Archetypes.

Do you seriously need that explained to you? Okay.

1. Insect Control is a completely new powerset that needs to be designed from scratch including new nonhumanoid skeletons.

2. Robots using Praetorian Clockwork is swapping models that already exist in the game and redesigning them to use the same powers and animations as the current robots or tweaking the powers of the clockwork so they are balanced like the robots.


I can see where this is going. See the Standard Code Rant.

Fair enough, but to be honest I never noticed those problems fighting the other groups you mentioned. For some reason the Malta stand out for me as a PITA and I just avoid them.

Bwah? So what do they have Left and your other left? (has a sudden flashback to bootcamp and a DI yelling "Your other left you idiot!")

Well I won't name names but over the years I've seen several groups that actually did that which is why I mentioned it. I mean I do like the idea enough that it's interesting, but I also wanted to point out the cons so the whole thing can be considered good and bad so to speak.



It's actually gotten much easier if the players in question are willing to use their extra slots for SG fillers. While I think everyone is aware that an SG gets a 20k for each of the first 15 members that join (300k total) which is a good start for a start up base. Some people may not be aware that the first SG a Praetorian character joins gets a permanent bonus of 100k.

So a group of players that thinks ahead and creates 15 Praet characters for SG filler will get 1,800,000 prestige for their SG. That buys a lot of stuff. Even if they kick the SG fillers after building the base they will only lose 300k. They won't even notice the loss because they'll have so much of the base built already.

I've used this method to build 2 solo bases so far. Only my being a severe altoholic on multiple servers has prevented me from getting the second base finished faster. I've only gotten 8 of the 15 Praets I made up to level 20 so far.



It's not really abuse right now since their is no difference in prestige earning otyher than the number of people in SG mode.



My point is that currently high level characters get an inf penalty for being in SG mode over level 29 I think it is. Hitting them with another penalty when they are outside SG mode will discourage them from joining SG's.

Or am I misunderstanding what you are suggesting? If so please feel free to correct me.

I'm all in favor of promoting more SG's.

I'm not the one you have to convince. The devs set it up that way. I'm just passing on one of the explanations we were given when something similar was suggested.



That part was added because in the past when someone suggested taking prestige with them and it was explained why they couldn't they asked if they could get it as inf instead.


I disagree. Influence/infamy represent the reputation of the hero/villain and prestige represents the reputation of the SG/VG. The Justice League doesn't become less prestigious because it's membership changes, unless it disbands altogether.

This has nothing to do with prestige and the devs have made it abundantly clear that the Super Leader is the defacto owner of the SG and everything it contains. I was among the people that argued against this philosophy when it was announced but to no avail. This is how the devs want it to be.

Again I disagree

1. The players who hold the positions of leadership are still the ones who decide what they spend prestige on not the people that generate it.

2. I am arguably one of the most casual of players and I have not felt that I was barred from making SG's/bases. In fact it's gotten easier and easier for small groups and solo players to make bases.


Several of the points you have brought up are more concrened with the base building feature as a whole rather than a simple prestige "fix". And I personally agree that bases need a complete redesign from the ground up. But I think after 5-6 years of begging many of us have lost hope that anything will ever be done.




Edit: Oh and Jack I just wanted to say thanks for discussing these points in a civil fashion. It's a relief when someone doesn't automatically jump to the defensive and assume everything is a personal attack.