Durakken

It is and it isn't... you said something, "providing points for improvement," and Depending on what reason you are improving for ,that comment is either very pertinent or moot. Considering I don't know what your goal for improving is in my opinion it is better to say it than not as a person could be looking to improve comics or something like that and thus an editorial comment would help in the long run.

That being said, if you've notice I tried to drop it someone else brought it back up and I also left "but some circumstances could be different thus making what i'm saying not true" I don't know whether your working digital or with pen and paper and i don't know how exactly you are working. I know there are tons of tricks out there like graphite paper that makes some points rather hard to comment about so I tend to think that you have only as much skill as i see in the areas i see and be working towards all goals rather than just personal betterment.

I took it as joking, and I don't know what the big deal is, but whatever...

I do see that you missed what I said and injected something that I didn't say. I said it's uncomfortable and unnatural, not that I couldn't do it. This makes my case stronger because martial arts, while doing the moves you should be relaxed when you are in that type of position and there is no way one could be relaxed in that position, the way it is in the picture, not in your mind or how you yourself would do it...

But then I often sit ways people think are uncomfortable, so who knows ^.^


As far as the editor comment, depending on your team's make-up, you'd actually present work before it got to the point your adding shading and spent time darkening various arious so... not really moot. Also the reason why i'd say redo it at this stage is you've gone beyond where people can generally make corrections without destroy most of the rest of the work so it's better to just start over than waste the time in fighting with what you already have.

Yes... yes I have. Have you ever heard of cheetos... created by a demon I summoned!

I know there is a movement that is somewhat like what you've drawn. At best I'd say that if it is accurate then you has to be a weird transition type thing, which does happen, i just don't that based on what you said it is likely you would be going for that odd transition type thing that is used in animation but almost never in stills because in stills it never looks right.

#2. Have you even tried what I said, which takes no effort at all other than like second of your time? If you did you'd likely find it to be extremely unnatural and uncomfortable.

There is no situation I can think of that anyone would ever be in that pose other than looking at a picture and seeing if the pose feels natural or not by actually trying to take the pose.


Also there is no possible way I cans do that at the moment as I deconstructed, reconstructed, and am no trying to get all my programs reinstalled... so i have no idea what on my PC works and what doesn't.

#3. So is Superboy ^.^

I'm not saying i wouldn't hire her. I'm saying if I was put in a position where I had someone with technical skill vs someone who posed really well. I'd take the one who poses their characters better and as an editor I'd probably say to redo it from the beginning if I knew they were capable doing better. And doing it for improvement and not for a job it's your call whether you go all the way with a piece with an error that isn't fixable or not.

I'm trying to point out that the posing of the person is sometimes if not always more important than the actual technical side involved. Not about hiring. If I knew it would cause a confusion like this i would have tried to express the point differently.

I don't think it's necessary to have a background in drawing or whatever subject to critique it, but it does help in giving advice and expressing what you are talking about.

My background as far as drawing is concerned... I have been drawing since before I remember apparently because my first memory, when I was 3, I knew how to draw ^.^ Through out elementary school I focused more on realistic things largely because the only other things I was interested in was TMNT and MMPR so >.> Around 13 I started drawing anime, though, not very good. I'm much better at realisim and western cartoonish styles... I also played my first RPG around this time and I decided I wanted to be a game designer. In 11th grade I learned of "The Art Institute of Pittsburgh" and went to their summer animation thing and got ahead of most people going there due to spending money text books about animation. During 12th grade I found out that my GPA was too low to get in and I needed to raise it to just get into the school... I had really bad grades, still pretty much do, cuz i don't like school ^.^... So I raised my GPA from something like 1.8 or some such thing to 2.0-ish which is apparently hard to do, and although it was still to low for the game design degree i got into the animation degree which is practically the same thing.

But there was a problem... Needed to turn in a portfolio that the admissions people didn't tell me about so I ended up having to draw something like 10 pictures in 24 hours and fax them to the school so that the head of the animation department which had very high standards and just about noone gets in from his checking over the portfolio... I got in.

Sounds like a happy ending, but turns out this school pretty much only wants to burn you out and send you home and no matter how early you schedule you will almost always get shafted and on top of that I'm a night person so I already have problems sleeping. By the third quarter of the first year I was burnt out, malnourished, sleep deprived (i passed out in classes and literally fell into 2 comas technically... i passed out for 24 hours and couldn't be woken 2 weeks in a row.), and when I came home for the winter I found out i needed two root canals... And then bam I got a letter saying I was being kicked from the school for attendance (mainly from the classes i missed during those comas). You're allowed to send a letter to plead your case, which i did, and got back, pretty much, "stop being a baby."

And this is just me. I made it pretty much the longest of everyone that I knew that came there the first semester and I know of a profession comic book artists that being ****** over by the school who only went to the school because her mom's dying wish, and I know someone who went to the school instead of taking full schollarships to several ivy league schools and/or work offer from Disney, ILM, and other such places that got burnt out and left during the last semester.

Also I was thinking about dropping that school after all that nonsense.

So that's my background in art. Self trained and obviously good enough to impress reputable people and get in to what was considered one of the top Game colleges of the day, and then kicked out due to horrendous scheduling... and I'm not even gonna go into the dorms v.v

I was literally so burnt out during that last semester there that I couldn't even draw a circle...let alone animate a ball accurately.

That all being said I figured that animation and art probably isn't my forte, but I learned enough to do what wanted to do anyways if I can ever figure a way into it that doesn't just kill me...

After that point though, I re-assessed what my goals were and my goal was never to be a game designer so much as it is to produce stories in the proper medium, whether that is by my own talents or others doesn't really matter...so since then I've been working on producing a comic and had a chance to get a story turned into... something other than i wanted so i turned the guy down... Along the way I've picked up lettering, paneling, and working on comic scripting, but because of where i live i don't really have a good environment to do art so I haven't...

The most recent art work i've done is a Cloud Strife face sketch that I did in I think 1 or 2 minutes just to show someone that being accurate and quick isn't really all that hard to do. It in fact if I remember right took longer to scan and put up that it took to actually draw.

Whether you think this is an adequate background or not you can decide for yourself. Won't stop me from critiquing :P

I'm saying from a stand point of if I were an editor or someone hiring, this is a piece that I would tell you to redo, start from scratch if necessary, but the pose will kill rest of the piece no matter how good it is. That's all I'm saying ^.^

I figured you were going for a fighting position of some sort. That's why i suggested the kund fu movies ^.^ Seriously try taking the pose in the picture as it is in the picture and not as your mind's eye sees it. You'll likely find arms in the wrong position and the back to tense and the head not dropped enough for what you want.

rent it the season or buy it from itunes...

Comrade, I agree. If you did it all the time and never showed the fight, but we're talking a specific case, not every time.

I'm not a minimalist. I like to tell the story in the way I think is most conducive to getting what I want across. You're trying to get across the power of Sentinel over Iron Man and possibly the intensity of the fight, at least on Iron Man's side. To do this a minimalist approach is used. And it's not just that it is minimalistic either. It is also about time. Each panel represents time. The more panels the more time it take, the less panels the less time... You want to slow down the first page to make it dramatic and give the reader that immersion but the fight itself, you make it between the panels and to the reader it gives the feel that they are sorta Iron Man about to fight...Time slows, but then bam it's over in a blink. That happens in a fight with the power like this that is disproportional for both sides.

I agree with that to a point. There are occasions when something is just bad and there isn't much you can say due to your own knowledge or you simply can't figure out what is wrong with the piece... for example colors... some people see a colored image and they get this dislike of what they are seeing and they don't know why...some more experienced people might be able to explain something from color theory, but not everyone can...they just see it as wrong. So in those cases I think it's perfectly OK to say something like "I don't know why but there is something wrong with it that I can't put my finger on it"



Something I did when I was actively critiquing on art forums is I would try to separate style from accuracy and give advice on both sides because sometimes people try a style and it just doesn't work while other times people do it without knowing what is wrong so I find it better to critique from both angles.

My art is ****** ^.^ The only piece people like of mine is one I actually hate and I've never taken drawing really serious as I only use it as a means to an end... Also I don't know where it all is, the stuff that i did load onto the internet and not to mention that almost every piece needs a disclaimer of "this took as long as most artists take to sketch" which is meh because noone ever takes it into consideration lol...

The main thing I learned from my art is that I'm better at critiquing other people than I am at drawing. (due mainly to my personality)

Edit: I drew my avatar years ago... similar style to most of the art i drew during that period. I don't draw anymore due to burn out and not having anywhere to really draw or the materials on hand to do so.

nudes aren't bad when you are expecting them to be what they are and not what is generally considered a model by most of society...

That's easy to overcome mentally, however, one of the models... did something shall we say, not befitting a lady of most any caliber... A natural cycle, but all the same repugnant when combined with the location and the fact she kept with her job all the while it was happening... in front of an entire class... Luckily it was not my class and I did not have to sit through that. I don't think even with all my social graces I would know what to do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_Prey_(TV_series)

If you accept that it is in the same universe and assume that they are following something close to the timeline of the DCU then the years i mentioned are what they'd have to be. It would also mean that the Black Canary from Smallville and Birds of Prey are the same and it would be interesting to see that evolution.