DSorrow

Inf != Dollars. At least it isn't to me, I don't know if you think 1 dollar is worth 1 inf, but I certainly don't.

The thing is, I bet many people experience a sort of price shock when they enter the WW for ubah lootz. They see the price tag and think one billion dollars, I see one billion units of play money. Guess which one of us is more shocked by the price? The situation is very similar in many board games, take Monopoly for an example. For most people it's not problematic to spend hundreds of units of play money during a session of that game while they would never do that with real money. This game just adds a few zeroes to the end of those hundred units of play money.


Frankly, I'd call anyone who claimed all those builds were actually completed within the game deluded. I make builds like that all the time, but end up abandoning the character it was planned for or switching the build focus. Sometimes even making a cheaper version of the build because I don't like the character enough.

As for full sets of Kinetic Combat, Numina, etc., you can get those for very little compared to their "market worth" if you're patient. I do TFs and get my R merits and don't roll them all at once, instead I convert them to A merits and roll them 50 at a time that way. It gets me better returns, but takes a bit longer. Often I get rare IOs I need, sometimes I don't, and what I don't need I sell. Patience goes a long way in making builds affordable.

You want rare IOs? Well, you can either have the build at a low cost or right now. You can only pick one of them.

Dollars? I doubt that.

Part of the "big price tag" problem is that people think in dollars (or any other currency) instead of influence. 100 million influence is a relatively small sum of currency whereas 100 million dollars or euros is way more than most families can earn in a lifetime.

Think in influence: how much one influence is worth, what your basic salary (1mil/hour) can get you, how much influence you need for a really good build compared to baseline (hint: not very much).

The funny thing is, if people didn't have to have everything RITE DIS MOMENT flipping would be impossible. Marketeering altogether would be pretty much impossible, you might just be able to make small profits for crafting, and even then those would be very small.

Thus, my proposal to "fix" the market is to find a cure for gottahaveitnowitis.

Yeah, let's.


At least get your facts straight. You can raise the price of an item and make profit off of it, but the point is you can't go on doing it forever. Very soon people will catch onto your scheme, either lowering the maximum sale value (other flippers) or increasing supply to a level where you can no longer control it (everyone else).

I believe this bit was about flipping not causing price spikes, because that's what it prevents. When flipping stuff, the bottom price rises some, but the overall price is stabilized preventing wild spikes from happening. Why does this happen? In order to get the stuff, you need to have the highest bid around (setting the minimum price), but in order to sell the price has to be low enough that people still buy everything and everything is sold by you (setting the maximum price). If another flipper comes along, the maximum price drops because they have to compete on the lowest sale price.

Please, show me how flippers do not stabilize prices in the long run. Logic dictates something completely else, but if you can prove otherwise, go on.


Uh, you mean if you want to understand how lazy people are? Often if I put stuff up for sale at 5.1xx million inf, people try bidding 5mil, it doesn't work and they jump straight up to 7.5mil or something else that's nice and round. Even better, if the last five all say 20mil, I can confidently put my stuff up at 15.xxx mil, and pretty much every single one of them goes for 20mil because people don't bother to try lower prices.


It really does irk me when people let their own "tenets of faith" get in the way of logic. I don't think our market is perfect, I don't necessarily like paying a lot for some of the stuff that I buy, but at least I realize why this happens and that whenever I pay that price I support the system. Oh yes, I'm a lazy marketeer and I only use the market to get influence for the stuff I want to have. If it's at the "expense of others", it's not my problem because I'm not forcing them to pay me, if they decide in their very own head that they want STUF NAO and then pay the price to get it RITE NAO, they don't really have any right to complain. What's the thing they say again - patience is a virtue?

Glad I could help. Just note that some of the builds (I think two or three) are a bit outdated in that they don't have inherent Fitness. Anyways, they should provide some slotting ideas even if you don't want to follow them exactly.

I was wondering when you'd come to this. Every now and then I actually try and see if eryq has changed, but every single time I come back to the conclusion that he has already decided that he is right and no amount of logic or reason will convince him that his view of the economy might be wrong. Yes, I'm not even talking about opinions, it's flatout wrong to ignore the changes in the world around you while claiming nothing should change because you don't.

If you think that's bad you should see the price of gas here.

That's because back then a gallon of gas was worth a dollar. See:

Who was it that said we should think about other people than ourselves? Oh, it was you. Maybe you don't use any more gas than before, but what about the number of people increasing? Surely that can't mean more people using cars, and consequently, more people using gas. Also keep in mind that there is not an infinite supply of gas on earth: this means that supply is constantly diminishing. Combine that with increasing supply and it's not hard to come to the conclusion that gas is now worth more.

An easy way to think about it. There are 100 pieces of currency total that people use for gas and 100 pieces of gas. Logically, their worth has to be equal so 1 piece of currency equals 1 piece of gas. What happens when the supply of gas has diminished to 50 pieces? Well, people still have 100 pieces of currency so a piece of gas is now worth 2 pieces of currency.

Duh, does anyone actually *want* to pay any sum of [insert currency] for anything? Some people might know it's better for their own interest in the game / real life economy / whatever if people actually do transaction with currency, but I'd wager most people still don't *want* to pay. It's a whole other thing to think "hey, I want that Numina and I'm *willing* to pay this much for it". Yes, I'd rather pay less for that piece of Numina, but if I do really want it, I'm going to pay enough that I'll get it so I'm not complaining about the prices.

Perceived worth = going rate. It's not made up stuff, really. If the perceived worth of an item for many people is higher than what the perceived worth is for you, it doesn't mean people are doing it only to make you pay. If it costs too much, don't buy it. Simple. For as long as you refuse to pay the "going rate" there are people who value the item higher than you and thus are willing to pay more and should get it first.

Besides, it's silly to argue about stuff being expensive. It takes 22 missions over four days to get a LotG +rech which you can sell for at least 100mil and then fund a decent IO build. Do that a few times and you can get a really good IO build. If you complain about purples, that's another kettle of fish because they're supposed to be very rare = demand >>>>>>> supply = high prices.

I do every day. I think often and warmly of those people who make marketeering so easy.

Leadership is nice... If it's needed, but I avoid it like a plague on tanks because it's bad on them. Scrappers get some more use out of it because they do need every little defensive buff they can get their hands on. Still, it's best on an AT that has good modifiers.

I used to be fine based on drops only, but then my standards for "good" IO builds became higher while available time for playing diminished. It just is no longer feasible for me to get these good builds in a reasonable amount of time (for me) based on just drops, and believe me, I'm patient. So, I choose marketeering.

This choice has helped me make my gaming experience into what I want it to be: no more grinding TFs or farms in order to get the stuff I want, but rather I can do a TF every now and then if I happen to have time or do missions without having to worry about their rewards. It just makes the game more enjoyable for me, and believe it or not, I'm not doing marketeer to "crap on someone else's gaming experience". I can't even remember the last time I did flipping, most of the time I just craft stuff because it's easy and fast (I'm lazy) and that way I provide a service for which I'm paid. Fair game, in my opinion.