DSorrow

Funny, this describes my playing quite accurately.

Anyways, while I agree that the benefits of flipping may be overstated I think the disadvantages are, too. One of my friends who had never spent more than 50mil on a IO build started marketing two months ago. Since then he has completely IO'd at least one character with rares and has over two billion influence. It really is hard not to come by piles of inf if you're willing to give a try so the slightly elevated prices really aren't a problem.

When you encounter a problem you can either do nothing about it and start complaining or solve it. I offer no sympathy for those who choose the former.

That's why I said "pretty much everyone else". I believe people who want to sell items for influence outnumber those who sell items for badges by far.

The only stuff that is actually worth flipping is stuff that has enough supply that its price won't really go that high. A couple of million for something isn't out of any level 50's budget.

I can't really think of anything that's good for everybody, yet people claim all the time something is great for everyone. As I see it, if the pros really outweigh the cons and the minuses are only related to people who inflict them on themselves, then it's only pluses.

True. Then again, people pay extra in real life, too, to get their stuff ASAP (express mail, anyone?), so I don't know why the concept is so hard to grasp in-game for so many people.

But for what reason do you sell stuff? To make a buck. Just like pretty much everyone else.

Flippers make stuff worth selling. If I know a common salvage has 0 bidding and 1k for sale, I'll just delete it while doing missions to make space for more valuable salvage. If, however, I know that its price range is 50k (what the flipper and patient people pay) to 100k (what everyone else pays), I'll keep it and post it for sale. And increase supply.

They raise the lowest amount of inf people will get from selling the item and decrease the highest, all while ensuring that there'll be a steady supply. I call this a win, because I'd rather pay a slightly elevated price if I know I can get the item whenever I want, rather than sometimes pay a low price, sometimes an outrageous price (say, 500k-1mil for a common) and sometimes not get one at all.

To be honest, that's their own damn fault. If you list an item at 1 inf you should be prepared to see it sell for 1 inf and not complain.

I loled at this. Even though I can't be a part of this scheme (EU and US servers on different lists... *grumble*) I think it's great. It seems to me that the only thing that counts for fun to you is the amount of prestige your SG has. Each to their own, but I wouldnt mind one bit if someone took my SG's position on Union (we're currently 3rd, I believe). As has been said, it's only measuring e-peens with a poor ruler.

Besides, why does it make you feel bad if other people throw away their influence?

Any target where DPS matters. That is, anything above a minion. My Scrappers can generally wipe out minions with two AoEs with or without critting.

That's exactly the kind of teams I mean. "Ok guys, no one is hurt but let's sit here and spam healing aura for a bit before moving on."

Anyways, at their respective damage caps, a Scrapper will do more damage than a Brute. That means in a team where you have a Kin or loads of other sources of +Dam, a Scrapper will pull ahead. Then again, a Brute will pull ahead on survivability due to higher HP and Resistance caps.

Your purpled WS only disqualifies you if it wasn't purpled casually.

But did you actually read the contents of the thread? The title is one thing, but what's behind it is what matters in the end.

Tell me something... If you buy a recipe, what does it matter what you do it with after that? If you put it in a character's build, it is no longer in circulation. If you delete it, it is no longer in circulation. If you put it for sale and someone buys it, it was put there at a fair price.

I play about as much as you do and have got about as many purples.

Random rolls are random. Besides, getting 6k tickets takes me about an hour. Maybe less. I haven't really played AE much, but I'd guess it takes me about 10mins to clear a mission for 1.5k tickets. If you play 8 hours a week (2x 4h), you're saying it takes you 32 hours to get those tickets (I assume work = wasting your playtime, that's how I see it anyway). If you're not spending all the playtime in a given month for those tickets, they are not a "month's worth of work".

I'd also say that the "last 5" prices at the market often represent the "buy it NAO" price. You can easily get the items for less than half of that if you're patient. If you're not, well, then it's your own fault.

You have no time for the markets, but you have time for farming/collecting tickets? That's quite funny, because marketing is far more efficient. Besides, it doesn't take "10 hours a day" to research the markets. Exaggerating to get your point across (which is, I don't like markets) isn't really a good way to go about reinforcing your argument. I spend 10-20 minutes a day at the market at the beginning of each play session. This has enabled me to completely IO out multiple characters (many have 5x LotG +rech or purples) and have multiple billions of influence on hand.

I used to farm, then I discovered the markets and abandoned farming. While marketing may be boring (I don't find it boring nor fun), at least the boredom doesn't last as long as with farming.

I've always thought it's a waste of time to use merits to buy specific items. It's much better to roll them, sell the drops and use influence to buy that stuff. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes unlucky, but I have the feeling that on average it's more profitable than buying the items you want to. On the other hand, I can see the appeal for goal orientated people to know exactly how far they are from getting their LotG.

I think it's completely fair. People who put more time into the game get better rewards, straight and simple. I haven't been able to do many TFs (I've done maybe 2 or 3 in the past month) recently because of my finals, but somehow I've managed to buy 3 LotG +rechs and other rare stuff to enhance my alts.

Putting some effort into understanding the markets goes a long way. You don't need to know economics (never studied or had interest in it). I just do it because it lets me do what I want (make super characters) while avoiding boredom (farming). Overall enhances my game experience because the pros outweigh the cons by far.

8 hours of play gets you around 1-2 million? Whoah. Play your 50s a bit more and you'll see a lot more influence. Even the "worst" 50 can earn a baseline of 1mil/hour with the best of the best getting as much as 30mil/hour from drops only (at vendor prices). Playing a 50 for one hour should easily get you a few million. 500k from defeats and 500k-few mil from recipes, common lvl 50 recipes sell for around 100k each at vendors. Then if you get lucky and score a rare you'll easily get a few million in the market.

Not required. It's just a whole lot faster to trade your unwanted stuff for someone else's unwanted stuff. You can play the game and eventually you'll get all the items you need, but it'll most probably take much longer than using that time to earn the influence to buy them from other players. I don't know how you define "average player", but we play about as much (I play around 1h a day), and I can afford just about anything on the market.

Which is why you need to learn to know which tips to avoid and which ones to pick. When you learn to know the tips, you can cherrypick those that suit you best.

But you can do just that. You convert your unwanted drops into stuff you want by selling the drops on the market and then buying what you want. If the stuff you want is more expensive than the stuff you get, you're just unlucky and we can't do much about that. Also it takes a whole 10 seconds to figure out if you can make more selling them crafted or uncrafted, just search for the item at the correct level and see if the difference in price is more than about 3mil.

Bold added by me for emphasis. Sell the stuff and build up influence to buy what you want. The markets already work almost exactly like the system you want to implement.


I don't know what you're doing, but I don't do TFs even every week. Most of my characters level up by doing story arcs and saving up the merits for level 50. At level 50 I roll them and can often afford the whole build with the money from the rolls. I often also do some low level marketing while leveling up and get a few hundred mil doing that.

AE and Tips are just a good way to get rares for those who won't bother to put in some effort to learn a more efficient way. If you don't want to learn that easier way, it's not someone else's fault that you can't make as much money as they can.

This is something that annoys me, too, but the easiest way to go around it is to also start the missions yourself when you start helping someone with the contact. If they have already done the first mission, but don't want to help you complete it so that both of you will get rewards, they're obviously not worth the help.

You don't need to do stuff every night to get influence from the markets. Just read some of the guides and you'll learn. Then again, if you choose not to learn the lack of influence evidently doesn't bother you that much.

That's not at all one of my worries. What I fear is that the system many players already find complex will become even harder to understand if you add "disenchanting" to it. I think if this was implemented, the "junk" would disappear. Every rare would now be a possible component to a more valuable rare: most pieces would just be valued relative to how many of them are needed to craft the most expensive thing. You know, if you needed 5 Pacing of the Turtles to craft a LotG and the LotG cost 100mil, you'd have the Pacings go for 10-20mil a piece because of that and people would start complaining again.

Sorry if this comes across snarky.

I think age has squat to do with this. I made my first billion through the markets when I was 16. Instead of complaining about high prices I decided to do something to be able to afford those prices and this is the source of the problem. You encounter a problem and either choose to whine about it or solve it. The easiest solution is to open fire with your QQ-cannon and blame faceless entities for ruining your game by taking away the purples you "need".