ClawsandEffect

Because you can solo in the game does not mean that everything in the game must be soloable by every character in the game. If someone refuses to ever team or ask for help for any reason, they need to accept that there are some things they will not be able to do on their own.

This particular encounter seems to be one that is designed for you to need help with.

I didn't have any major problem with it either, but I can see it being difficult for some defenders or controllers. (I haven't run my defender through it yet, so I'll find out first hand I guess)

OP: When you see the message that he is bifurcating, break off immediately and kill the bifurcation before it starts really healing him. If you wait too long and he gets more than one out you won't be able to kill him, but if you kill the bifurcation as soon as it spawns it should stop the regen before it brings his HP bar up too much. It's annoying, but very doable (I did it on a Claws/Regen scrapper, so your Claws/SR should have no problem)

You should have perma DP already. If you actually have this much recharge:

You only need 55% and 3 slotted Hasten to have perma DP. My Claws/Regen pulls it off with about 53% or so, so your 56.25% should be getting you there.

In order for it to be permanent, you have to click both DP and Hasten as soon as they come back up, but you should have the capability already.

If you don't actually have that much recharge already, then it may not be perma, but your build as posted here is definitely capable of it.

Max HP bonus.

The 3 Eradication 3 Cleaving Blow would work too, but if he's not going to have perma Dull Pain he could use the extra HP.

Perhaps it's just Cole's way of saying "Remember, you're still alive because I ALLOW you to be alive" and "Memorial" sounds better than "Reminder".

It can be done a lot easier than the above poster is saying.

It was determined for a Regen scrapper that, if you have Hasten 3 slotted with level 50 recharge IOs and 5 Doctored Wounds in Dull Pain, you can get Perma Dull Pain with 55% global recharge. Since the recharge times on all versions of Dull Pain are the same (and I believe all the Dull Pain clones are teh same as well), it should hold true for an Invuln scrapper, tank, or brute as well.

That is of course assuming that you click both powers the second they recharge. You won't have much overlap at all, but it can be done relatively easy.

My BS/DA scrapper can drop an AV, and he's barely breaking 120 DPS. I haven't actually crunched the numbers, but he has almost no recharge bonuses to speak of, which leaves him with gaps in his attack chain. I also have to keep Parry double stacked to maintain my softcap, so that doesn't help either. Werner once mentioned that his Kat/DA scrapper was doing about 150, and I know his deals more damage than mine, so 120 is a reasonable guess.

With a tank's superior base survivability you can put a little more focus on building for damage output and probably reach similar numbers. So, Invuln/DB can probably do it as well or better than other tanks simply due the the ability to slot one more debuff proc than other sets.

I'm guessing he needs those Thunderstrikes in there to be softcapped to ranged.

You're probably right. I may have confused the amount Tankers get from Weave with the amount Defenders get from maneuvers.

I've only had it send me back to the log in screen a couple times in all the switching I've done.

It's actually a nice feature for me because I do 95% of my playing on one server, and it puts you at character select on the server you logged out of.

I'm addressing this point, because I already know someone is going to jump on it and say "But toggles don't drop anymore!"

And if someone did say that they would be correct.....BUT.....when you are mezzed you lose any benefit from your toggle powers (except for mez protection toggles that also grant mez resistance). They changed that as a QoL feature so people didn't have to spend so much time re-toggling their powers, but the basic effect of being mezzed and losing your personal defenses remains.

If that SR scrapper gets mezzed through Practiced Brawler, say goodbye to 90% of his defense until that mez wears off. An SR scrapper that gets mezzed goes from nearly unhittable to sitting duck really fast.

Audacity, as in: They can auto-complete most of the arc, and come to the forums to bitterly complain that they have to actually run one mission out of it. You only HAVE to run ONE mission, and a bunch of people complain that having to run that one mission is unfair. I don't really see that as being much different than someone complaining that they have to actually play the game to have a level 50 character.

And we don't know that the choice you make in that mission won't have future ramifications, such as determining what contact you end up with for future Incarnate content.

As far as my opinion goes:

Do I like that a whole lot of people are getting a reward that I don't feel they've actually earned? No, not really.

Am I foolish enough to think the devs will, or should, change it just because I don't like it? No, not even a little.

I am very well aware of how many people removing the auto-complete option on that arc would piss off, so my dislike is really pretty irrelevant. Even if I did decide to make a big deal out of it and start making posts trying to convince people, I know how far that would get me, and it isn't worth wasting my (or anyone else's) time on.

In terms of things I like and dislike about the game, this is really pretty minor, and it would have remained that way if you hadn't decided to call me out for being spiteful and trying to spoil people's fun, simply because I mentioned that I didn't like something.

You completely missed the point of my analogy there.

At work, I am rewarded for doing something by receiving a paycheck.

In the game, I am rewarded for doing something by receiving experience, influence, merits, recipes, salvage, shards, and now the Alpha slot.

Now, if I chose to go to work and do nothing at all, I probably wouldn't be getting a paycheck. But yet anyone who cares to can auto-complete the entire arc and get the reward that is supposed to be earned by playing through it.

Yes, one is the real world, and one is a video game, I am well aware of the distinction between the two. But getting something for doing nothing is getting something for doing nothing in either case.

In game terms, should you expect to stand around doing nothing and get drops, influence and experience? No, you have to defeat enemies to get those things. The same goes for the arc you unlock the Alpha slot in, you're supposed to get the slot for actually playing the arc, but you can auto-complete most of it and get through it without having to do more than a couple FedEx runs.

I suppose the thing that bothers me about it isn't that you can auto-complete the majority of it. The part that bothers me about it is the people that have the audacity to complain that they have to run ONE mission out of the arc because you can't auto-complete it. And you can't auto-complete it because it contains a choice the computer cannot make for you.

HA!

I win this round! The ball is in your court, sir

I don't want to spoil anyone's good time. I simply said I'd have rather the whole arc need to be actually PLAYED before you get the reward from it. And I'd rather it had been like that from the beginning. I do not think it should be changed to be that way after it has already been released.

What's done is done, and it should be left as it is.



Yes and no. If I go to work and find a corner to go to sleep in, I have no right to expect to get paid for doing nothing. Consequences would include not getting paid or possibly losing my job.

I look at auto-completing an arc that gives you a tangible reward much the same way. Except in that case, people can do nothing at all and still collect their reward with no consequences.

No, nothing wrong with not doing Outbreak on every character, because Outbreak does not give any reward you can't get somewhere else just as easily. To me it just looks like another case of people wanting to get something for nothing.



Again, it is giving you a tangible reward that you are not earning when you auto-complete the whole thing. Even the hordes of Fire/Kin farmers are earning their rewards because they are actually running the missions they get them in.

I just have an issue with the trend towards more and more people feeling like they should be handed things without doing anything at all to earn them. Call me old fashioned if you like, but I don't think ANYONE is entitled to something just because they said "I deserve this, now give it to me."

No.

Reward Merits, Alignment Merits, Vanguard Merits, and the new Incarnate Shards and components are all non-tradeable, and there is no indication that it will ever change.

My Rad/Sonic AV soloing defender would like to have a word with you about that. (for the record, once I solve his endurance issues he'll be soloing GMs too).

My Dark Miasma/Dual Pistols defender has a thing or two to say as well.

You act like just being a defender means you can't ever solo, and it just isn't true. Sure, my Dark and Rad defenders are among the better soloing sets, but if you're playing Empathy or Kinetics why are you so pressed about being able to solo them when they shine on a team?

If you can't effectively solo with a support character, the problem is with YOU, not the game. Myself and thousands of other people solo support characters all the time. Unless you think the people saying they solo fine are lying just to spite you, and I can assure you, I'm not lying about my ability to solo a defender.

And no, soloing does NOT mean running at x8. Soloing means running missions by yourself, the difficulty you are set at is completely irrelevant.


That's weird, my Broadsword/Shield scrapper tanks for small teams all the time. Sure, he's probably not going to be main-tanking an ITF or tanking Recluse on an STF, but he does just fine holding agro for 3-4 man teams. If he didn't have mez protection, that would be impossible for him to do.

Also, I brought it up before, but what about things like Tsoo Green Ink Men, who have 3 melee stun powers and spawn in groups of 8 to 10 in Talos. They can already stun a melee character through their mez protection. So, the answer is to force a scrapper to run in terror from those groups while a hovering support character can kill them all in perfect safety? (because Green Ink Men have zero ranged mezzing ability, their stuns are all melee range)

Scrappers hit things in melee range, and that is ALL they do. They cannot buff a teammate, or debuff the enemy, they do not have even close to the same amount of versatility that a support character can have. Various support powersets can do many different things, while scrapper powersets are nothing more than different flavors of hitting things.

I've said it before, and I suppose I'll say it one more time: When my scrapper has the same level of versatility as your support character, maybe then your support character can have the same level of self-sufficiency. If you have a support-heavy team, those scrappers that solo so well start to get less and less useful, especially the ones with mostly single target oriented sets like Dark Melee or Martial Arts.

What you are saying is that your defender needs to get the exact same soloing efficiency as a scrapper, without losing any of the team support versatility they are known for.

Scrappers are designed for solo efficiency because they lack any real team support ability. And you think they should lose that solo efficiency without gaining any additional team support ability.

But apparently the people telling you that is dumb are the ones being unreasonable.

Right.

There seems to be quite a bit about game balance you don't understand here. Scrappers are self sufficient because they add very little to a team. Defenders are more team reliant because they can make that team nearly invincible. Thus, defenders should not be as self sufficient as scrappers until scrappers add more to a team. That is known as balance.

But nooooooo. Defenders should be able to solo just as well as a scrapper AND team better, because that's the only way it would be fair. I find it hard to believe that you don't realize how ridiculous that argument is.

The general consensus on the scrapper boards is that inspiration use is acceptable, but temp pets don't count. The truly hardcore do it no temps no inspirations, but soloing an AV is soloing an AV.

Page 4 isn't early enough? That's odd, people that have been debating it jumped into the thread after I did.

I was only responding to the person that quoted me out of context. They snipped one sentence and accused me of spitefulness, while ignoring the rest of that paragraph where I said that I saw no reason to change it now. I actually hadn't planned on posting in the thread again until I saw that.

Saying I'm "determined" to spoil someone's good time would imply that I would go out of my way to campaign to make the arc non auto-completable. I have no intention of doing so, and in fact, I SAID that I had no intention of doing so right in the post you're quoting from, which you seem to have conveniently left out of what you quoted.

I simply said that I would have preferred it to be non auto-completable from the beginning. That does not mean I think it should be changed to be that way now.

I just don't think it's especially right for people to auto-complete the entire arc and get the alpha slot, while not actually having DONE anything. Why are people so obsessed with not doing something in a game that they are paying to play in the first place?

Funny that while everyone else in this thread is stating their preferences and opinions, I'm apparently not allowed to do the same.

I can throw you a build that will live through just about anything. Downside is, it doesn't have a great deal of recharge to it.

If I get time later today I'll put it together for you.