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Quote:If you get lucky on your reward tables you can get it done very quickly.Originally Posted by Rubberlad
I hate to admit it but if you guys (and others) reached Tier 4 on 2 or more of the new Incarnate slots in less than a week then there really is no grind to speak of.
My wife had her Judgement slot unlocked after just ONE trial, and she is one common component away from having it slotted, so one more will see that happen.
I've run maybe 8 or 9 total, and I have Judgement, Interface, and Lore unlocked. Judgement and Interface both have tier 2s and Lore is just a tier 1 (which I actually crafted before I unlocked it)
I'm not seeing this grind everyone keeps talking about. I had a blast killing some stuff and unlocked some nifty abilities. I'm pretty happy with it so far. -
Quote:And if the devs gave us nothing at all, how quickly do you think THAT would piss people off?Originally Posted by Pebblebrook
And so far in recent forum flare ups not just on this subject, it appears discontent is becoming readily apparent. Not sure how the amount of repetition of these trials would affect player burnout yet...too early.
Yes, some people are pissed about the form the end game took. Just as many are happy or at least content with it.
If the devs wait until they are sure EVERYONE will like something they do, we will never see any new content ever again. It is a simple fact that the devs have to deal with: No matter WHAT they do, SOMEONE is going to be pissed about it.
All they can really do is release content and hope for the best. If they try to appease the people this issue pissed off, they will probably end up pissing off the people that were pleased by it. -
As far as the whole "my character doesn't feel special in multiple team content" argument goes: How do you define feeling special?
It's not a matter of the game making you feel special. The game doesn't make you feel special in single team content. The game will not acknowledge that your tank pulled the agro off a controller and saved his butt. The game will not recognize that your empath brought the blaster back from the brink of death. The game is not capable of recognizing those things, it is at it's core a collection of numbers and calculations.
It's not a matter of YOU knowing what you did either. If that's all that was important it wouldn't matter a bit if you were by yourself or had 47 other people with you. You would know what you did regardless. If it were about YOU knowing what you did, why would you care if no one else noticed?
What it's really about is getting the praise and recognition of other players. When your tank saves the controllers butt, the controller recognizes that you did that. When your empath brings the blaster back from the brink of death, the blaster is appreciative.
In multiple team content like the trials, no one is saying "good tanking" or "Thanks for the heal", because they're too busy with what they're doing to type it out. That denies you the attention you crave, which is what it's really all about here. Other players' reactions are really the only means of feeling "special" that you can't have just as easily solo.
Multiple team content isn't bad for the game.....it's just bad for your ego, because no one is patting you on the back saying "Way to go!"
The people who are okay with multiple team content are aware that they don't have to feel special while they are doing something this large scale. You win or lose as a TEAM....there isn't room for egos in something like that.
(Edit: All uses of the word "you" in this post were meant as a general "you" and were not directed at any one specific person.) -
Quote:Okay. The level shift IS the "good stuff". The "good stuff" requires you to do more to acquire it. That is true across anything else in this game, and it is true across pretty much every video game ever programmed that has any kind of earnable rewards.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Rare Incarnate powers are about as "hard" to acquire as rare Inventions, which is to say "not very." But that's not the point. They're still rare, and they're still one step beyond the mdeian. After all, the Rare Alpha Incarnate powers require a NotW, whereas the Uncommon ones do not. To my eyes, that's a clear separator between those who want "just enough" and those who want the good stuff.
For most of my characters, and I would wager probably a large percentage of the characters in the game, the level shift is the ONLY reason to bother progressing past the Uncommon level in your Alpha slot. Unless you're the type that would do it just so you can say "look what I have!" (probably doesn't apply to you, but it does apply to others) -
Quote:Ion Judgement can also potentially hit 24 more targets than Thunderous Blast ever will.Originally Posted by Rejolt
Nukes are buffable. Aim + build up + powerboost on Thunderous blast means that mob has no endurance and takes well over 1000 damage. Ion Judgement does 1/3 that at best, but yes, it'll minion crunch much better.
It can also drain the mobs endurance.
Okay, so if we use round numbers to do the math here, TB will deal 1000 damage to 16 targets, for a total of 16,000 potential damage.
Ion Judgement boosted by Musculature will deal 620 (it's base damage is 480) to a potential 40 targets, for a total of 24,800 potential damage.
And, even with 100% recharge in TB, Ion will still be available twice as often. So, Ion Judgement will potentially deal 49,600 damage in the same amount of time it takes Thunderous Blast to deal 16,000. And that's using just the 33% Common Musculature boost, you can get up to a 45% boost for the Very Rare.
There's really no comparison there, Ion Judgement wins by a mile. Then you add in the facts that Ion Judgement doesn't drain your end bar, AND is available to all ATs equally instead of just 3 ATs in specific powersets (which are on the lower end of those ATs' performance as well) and Thunderous Blast pales even more in comparison. -
Quote:This was in reference to the Judgement powers, and what it didn't address is that when you get to the higher tiers on Judgement the target cap increases to 40 for most (if not all) of them.Originally Posted by Seldom
[*]Limited by target cap.
That's compared to the 16 target cap a nuke has that can never be increased by any means at all.
Also, the buffed damage of nuke powers, at least what is buffable by enhancements, is about on par with Judgement's base damage for most nukes.
Blizzard and Inferno are exceptions, but the rest all do around the same damage. -
Quote:I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not taking any of this personally.Originally Posted by Nyx
Cuz seriously, it's becoming personal warfare and less about what these threads are even focusing on.
I have way too much else going on in my life to be mortally offended that someone disagrees with my opinion about a video game. I only post on my breaks at work, when I get home I have better things to do so I put it aside until my next break at work the next day.
Nothing personal about it, for me at least. I can't speak for anyone else though, and it does seem like a number of people are taking it personally.
Relax.....it's only words on your computer screen.....they can't hurt you if you remember that. -
Quote:Except the Rares aren't really that hard to acquire.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Which isn't what I said, but I'm OK with being that guy who's famous for saying things he never actually said.
I consider Common and Uncommon Incarnate abilities to be the bread and butter of the Incarnate system, with Rares being "special" and Very Rares being exclusive. As such, I prefer to put the level shift on the far end of the bread and butter of the system, rather than treating it as a reward for the more exclusive portion of it.
In short, let people have their level shifts earlier, but keep the awesomeness of the actual powers where they are.
I'm already one rare component from having the Rare of both Judgement and Interface.
I already have the common slot for Lore (even though I don't have Lore unlocked yet)
And that is over maybe 8 runs spaced out throughout the week. By the end of next week I expect to have at least one of the Incarnate Shifts and be fairly close to the second. And that's without grinding out 8 or 9 runs per day. I haven't done more than 2 in a given day.
I'm just glad the level shift comes with the Rare and it's not a Very Rare exclusive thing. -
Quote:False.Originally Posted by Adelie
Now with the raid content, we are expected to find not just a full team of players to start it but multiple full teams of players. Thank goodness for the new team formation que thing. Without this this would fail completey on all but the busiest servers. It still may as time goes by and the novelty wears thin.
I ran 2 completely full pre-formed BAFs last night on Pinnacle. Pinnacle is far from the busiest of servers.
And there were more forming when I logged out for the night.
Saying it would fail without the queue is just silly, since it takes 3-4 times longer to get in one through the queue than it does by figuring out which zone people are forming them up in and going there. (Usually Pocket D or RWZ, because the trials are co-op)
From what I've seen, the queue is where the majority of the fail lies in this system. -
What is the problem with these things being the reward for running certain content?
If I want the Task Force Commander accolade on a character, I'm just going to go run the damn TFs instead of complaining on the forums that there's no solo option to get it.
To me it is very simple: The Incarnate powers are the rewards for running this content.
The devs could very well have not given us a solo option at all, and it would be just fine. They didn't give us a solo option for TFC, or the Hami raid, or the ship raid. They gave us a solo option for this because they were feeling nice (and probably to shut people up too). They were under no obligation whatsoever to do so.
This thread, and others like it, comes off very much as "I want the reward for doing this content, but I don't want to actually do the content." -
Quote:True. But it's damned difficult unless those 8 players are already Incarnates with all 3 level shifts.Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Lambda can already be run with only 8 players.
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Quote:The trials are perfectly doable even without a level shift at all.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I mean level shifts in general, including the one on the Alpha slot. Right now, it's in "you must be this awesome to ride" territory. I'm not opposed to HAVING such territory in the game, as we did even beforehand, but I'd like the level shift to come before that.
I haven't failed a BAF run yet, and I've only failed one Lambda (granted, I've only run 2)
I wasn't level shifted until the last BAF I ran, and I was doing just fine without it. All the level shift does is make it a little easier. -
I've gotten between 3 and 6 threads in my 4 BAFs and 2 Lambdas.
Don't know if that helps or not.
I kinda think they are counting on some of the Astral and Empyreal Merits being broken down as well.
My wife ran one BAF and got enough between thread drops and the merits for a successful completion to unlock her Judgement slot after one run, and craft 2 of the pieces needed to slot something in it. -
If you refuse to do the trials.....why do you need to go any higher than the uncommon?
The level shift for the rares of Destiny and Lore only works IN the trials. So, if you aren't going to run them, why do you need it? -
Quote:Someone on the scrapper forums ran City Info Tracker and found that the 50% chance fire damage proc was contributing around 21% of his total damage. So it's a significant amount.Originally Posted by Kelenar
Yeah, I plan to pick up Interface, it's just not really exciting me as much as it could. Part of this is probably the fact that, again, I'm on a /Fire Permadom. If I'm fighting a single hard target, it's mezzed or I'm dead, and my AoE is kinda sparse, so I don't see most of the debuff ones helping me much. I won't pass up Yet More Fire Damage, though.
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I can honestly say the devs have never done anything in the game that I disagreed with enough to make a forum rampage seem like the best option available to me.
Not calling out anyone in particular on that, just saying. -
Quote:Try running a BAF, it's not quite as hard as Lambda, and you probably won't faceplant as much. I haven't failed one of those yet.Originally Posted by Nyx
I did them. I think I have done them 3 times. Well Lambda, but truthfully never have run the other. I really don't want to run them again. Sure the rewards are shiny, but I don't find them fun.
My build is fine, and enjoyable, but faceplanting every 5 seconds is boring to me. Not because I suck, but because pretty much everyone seems to faceplant all the time. Blasters, Scrappers, Controllers, defenders, anything thats not a tank really.
I litterally need to fly around, bubble everyone and then just Personal Forcefield myself the entire battle. Otherwise Im pretty dead.
Assuming that because one isn't fun that the other isn't either is just.....I dunno. -
Quote:You seem to have grabbed hold of the wrong end of the stick there Sam.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
But go on. Do tell me what makes me anti-social if I spend the bulk of my time socialising with other people.
Not wanting to hang out with 23 complete strangers doesn't make you anti-social. I never said it did.
You said 7 of your 9 50s are on Victory, and the other 2 are on Pinnacle? Well, neither one of those are particularly large servers and you have been playing on them for several years now.
If you join multiple full BAFs on one of those servers, and can honestly say you did not know or even recognize a single other person in it with you, then it is fair to say you are anti-social. Maybe try checking global names? You'd be surprised how many people you know will be playing characters you don't recognize.
It's not so much the fact that you don't want to hang out with 23 strangers, I can't say I'd be particularly keen on it myself.
It has more to do with the fact that you are on smaller servers, and have been for years, and repeatedly find yourself in a situation where you don't know any of those 23 people. Especially since the people that will be running those trials with you are the same people that routinely play at the same time of day as you. I find it hard to believe that you've played the game as long as you have and haven't at least gotten familiar with the people that tend to play at the same time.
Like I said, I'm not exactly a social butterfly when I'm in game myself, and I knew at least half of the people in every trial I've run thus far, by reputation and PinnBadges chat if nothing else. And I've teamed with most of the people I recognized before. -
Quote:This is actually a pretty good point.Originally Posted by Scarlet Shocker
Seriously if you are in a league with 23 complete strangers, on your normal server on a 50 that you've actually taken time to level, then perhaps it's not such a straw man after all.
Sam, I happen to know Pinnacle is one of the servers you play on, and it is my home server.
You mean to tell me that you can join a league with 23 other people on a server as small as Pinnacle......with a 50 that you've leveled over the course of several months.......and never have met a single other person in that league?
I don't team especially often anymore, and I ran several trials over the weekend. I knew (and had teamed with at least a couple times) more than half the people in the league on each run.
If you can honestly say that all 23 other people in a trial are complete strangers to you on a server like Pinnacle (which has a small, fairly close-knit community), then it's fair to say you are anti-social.
Maybe on Freedom joining a trial via the LFG I could believe it. But on Pinnacle? Your odds of not knowing even one person in that trial are slim....unless of course you really ARE that anti-social. -
Also, if you already have an accolade and switch sides, it automatically grants you the badge for the opposite side's equivelant.
It doesn't give you twice the buff, just the badge. So if your character is a badge collector, it would be a good idea to switch at least once to collect hem. -
Quote:I can't really help much with the Lore pets, because I haven't really delved into them.Originally Posted by iMidget Perfection
Also for destiny on the Elec/fire brute i need help deciding, this toon has nothing that needs to be fixed, So i'm guessing the +def/res would be best just for having it but the +regen seems good too. Within a month i think ill have everything t4 so any help would be great. TYVM
As far as Destiny goes:
Keep in mind that Destiny will affect OTHER people too, it's not just you that gets the benefit of it.
So you can help other players by buffing them with your Destiny power, something a brute could otherwise never do.
I'd say, if there's nothing in particular you need, pick the one that seems like it would be most useful for helping others. -
Quote:If he was here through all of 2007 he was here for the introduction of IOs. Issue 9 was released May 1st, 2007.Originally Posted by Johnny_Taxibot
I believe he left the game shortly before invention sets came out.
I concur with this.Quote:Probably his best bet is to start a new toon because that way he can discover new aspects of the game in a measured fashion.
Also of note: Just recently, Fitness was made inherent, so you get all 4 powers in the Fitness pool for free at level 2. -
Quote:Is that only for the initial slot, or could I use threads to make a tier 3 Spiritual, for example?Originally Posted by Another_Fan
You can use threads to create alpha components but it is a really really bad deal.
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Okay.
I'm still having a blast with the trials. Haven't failed a BAF yet, and finally completed Lambda Saturday. The cutscenes are getting annoying, but overall I'm still enjoying it.
I guess your mileage may vary and such. Then again, I'm not running 10 of them in one day either. I think the most I did was 3 in a day. -
Quote:It's easy, just make the most nonsensical posts you can muster up, and follow it up with personal attacks and hyperbole.
new to trolling
Oh....you didn't mean kind of trolling. Sorry, I can't help much there