Anti_Proton

Originally Posted by Mr_Samoa

I understood it as Preatorian Hamidon being much, much more powerful than ours. The Devouring Earth have never overrun us so much that we'd feel the need to nuke them. I suspect that there may be a new end-game raid, to keep Preatorian Hami locked up wherever he is locked up in Preatorian Earth.

Originally Posted by Silverado

Definitely not if we go by their ingame avatars. The Tyrant AV we fight in Maria's arc is significantly weaker than the Statesman we fight in Mender Silos SF (or the PI Mayhem)

Originally Posted by Lucky666

Our Hami just kinda sits in the hive and doesnt do anything unless you get to close and doesn't leave the zone ever, no threat really. The thing is fairly peaceful and only attacks things that get close so why bother.

It would seem pretoria Hami had a thrist for world domination. It had to be dealt with.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

And with great power comes great responsibility - responsibility not to become a tyrant

Originally Posted by The_Alt_oholic

The fact is that CoH is now only limited by our own creative input.
The AE has seen to that.

If you truly want your character to live in their own comic, then we have the tools to write it to be exactly the kind of adventures that you think your character should be having.

I'm pretty sure that AVs and scenarios can be created that will be a challenge to any character that can be build in this game.

Originally Posted by EU_Damz

Do you damz take GR to be your beloved partner for life?

I fricking do baby yeah!

That bio of his really changed my views on him, i dont think i can face him now on my heroes in perigine island without feeling guilty. This guy defeated hami and saved the world!

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Frankly, I enjoyed the fact that my characters were DONE. It gave me a sense of closure. I just know that this new thing, whatever it is, is going to attempt to make progress infinite, or at least such a pain in the *** that I'm never going to bother finishing even one, thus robbing me of my sense of closure unless I pretend it doesn't exist. And if I pretend a few more parts of the game don't exist I might as well stop playing altogether.

So, fear: kind of. Excitement: ZERO. Don't care about end game, never have, never will. Far as I'm concerned, "end game" is where the game ends and I start over.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville

That's actually not true. While no current end game content *specifically* requires things like purple IOs, its never been true that level 50 content was content literally *all* level 50s could accomplish successfully. When the LRSF came out, the devs explicitly stated that while it wasn't intentionally designed to require any specific magic combination of capabilities, it was designed to require *high* levels of capabilities in general. Just because a random group of uncoordinated players couldn't finish it, even if they could *prove* it was mathematically impossible to complete in theory that didn't mean there was a problem with the strike force. It might have simply meant that the team in question was not sufficiently capable to overcome that particular challenge.

It is fairer to say that in City of Heroes, "challenging content" which includes level 50ish end game content has always been designed to not require any specific thing, but often requires some general level of power and ability to overcome. This basic premise of design was even considered to be true for things like Maria's AV-ladened arc. Those missions didn't require a tank, or require a healer, or require a debuffer, but it might have been either difficult or impossible for a team to complete if they literally lacked *all* of those types of tools. And that was considered working as intended.

The fact that some players have figured out how to do these things with increasingly less capability (but more skill) doesn't change that basic equation.





I'd be careful about overgeneralizing the "level 60" statement, especially if it was a colloquialism written by someone that didn't understand the full ramifications of what a hypothetical level 60 would actually be. But extrapolating from the current game system rules, a level 60 would, relative to a level 50, have about four more powers, 18 more slots, 8% more health, and 9% more base damage.




Now here you're implying something more than just the capability intrinsic in leveling. Level 40s are a little weaker than Level 50s, but the primary source of Level 40s being weaker than Level 50s against level 50 content is the purple patch. At -10, they are functioning at only 3% of their intrinsic strength. Or, another way of putting that is that Level 50s are more than 33 *times* stronger than Level 40s at taking on intrinsic Level 50 content.

I think its within the bounds of reasonable speculation to think that end game progression opportunities might make us 10% stronger in raw numbers and perhaps much stronger than that in certain very specific areas (for example, the Invention system practically oozes recharge buffs). But I doubt Castle is working on an endgame system in which we will eventually become 33 times better than base level 50s.


I believe that the best way to create end game character progress opportunities is to leverage the existing invention system and allow players to create better ways of using it. For example, the universal slots themselves could allow for all new types of universal inventions that allow for character progression capabilities that make more sense for level 50s than other characters. For example, level 50s don't level any more. So any balance constraint targeted primarily on leveling could be significantly relaxed for level 50s. I'm thinking here specifically about travel and endurance. Perhaps we'll have ways to buff our max travel caps (flight?). Perhaps we'll get access to powers with huge endurance costs, but with the ability to buff our endurance recovery to make them credible to use.

Personally, I'm thinking the best opportunities for end game challenges are to put a lot of the game effects into play that are "too annoying" to use prolifically at lower levels, and provide end game progression tools to defend against them or overcome them. Perhaps we'll see significant mez protection for squishies, but more mez in general. Perhaps we'll see more friendly fire problems with rescue missions, but also more powers to manipulate and protect friendly NPCs.


Disclaimer: I'm totally spitballing. I have no information about the endgame content being worked on and haven't asked the dev team about it at all. And honestly, the reason why I haven't is that if I do, I'm immediately prevented from publicly speculating on it or really offering public suggestions about it. Sometimes, its better not to know.

Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain

I believe Alpha stage has already started, and that some of you... Know what the Hell is going on... and you just sit on your butts laughing at all of us who just want some new info.

My interest isn't going anywhere, but my frustration level has already gone through the roof.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

Look, I don't want to get into this. Not yet again. Suffice it to say that there are more reasons than just "duel me" spam to levy against the idea, chief among which is I DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED TO IT. I don't want potential adversaries running around, I don't want the potential to be exposed to a match, or even witness it. I know Arena invitations are currently possible in exactly this way, but I'd rather not bring any more attention to this. And even then, when matches do occur, they still take place where I can't see them.

Originally Posted by Golden Girl

As soon as they have something awesome to show us

Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain

I find this responce to be laughable. I mean really LAUGH OUTLOUD.

I do not play because I have done EVERYTHING that there is to do more than 10 times each. I have more maxed characters that have done ALL the badge contacts.

I pay because of VET REWARDS... and thats about it. Dont you understand I am just WAITING for new stuff to do... and apparently I can afford to just pay 15 bucks a month x's 2 for something we dont even use. Something we are hoping will be usable in the future.

Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain

This.