City of Heroes: Live Forum Archive

After people see The Avengers, fair warning to the Devs...

Aggelakis

By Aggelakis,
Posted on: 2012-05-02 11:29 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
I'm a native (British) English speaker, and ate has always been pronounced ait where I come from. You sure someone hasn't been yanking your chain?
It was a legitimate information source, but it could have been wrong. I know I'm not remembering this wrong, but it doesn't mean I'm right. Apologies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Golden Girl View Post
I demand Chair Fighting/Mastery
The Chair Leg of Truth demands to be heard.

[Guide to Defense] [Scrapper Secondaries Comparison] [Archetype Popularity Analysis]

In one little corner of the universe, there's nothing more irritating than a misfile...
(Please support the best webcomic about a cosmic universal realignment by impaired angelic interference resulting in identity crisis angst. Or I release the pigmy water thieves.)

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperOz View Post
Okay, be nice first of all to people who haven't seen it yet and may appreciate no spoilers (I and others have made an effort here...) and please refrain from any more?

Alright, of the above list...how many exist in the same scenario? You only get destructable environments in Safeguards. You don't get the nukes, you don't get the alien invasion, nor the side-switching, nor the apparent inability to get along, nor a base nor a base raid.

The specific scenario I mentioned has all of those in the one package. CoH does not.

Or are you now going to tell me we're somehow better off because we can't combine or have multiple of the things above? Because if we could, we'd have what appears in that scene, everyone would have a moment to shine in a team environment and you'd have not only an exciting and dramatic scenario, but also an entertaining one.

Those things you listed are often isolated. Rikti raids. Bases. Safeguards. Nukes. Destructable environments are so isolated I'm not sure if they even get used much anymore. You can claim we have them, but in this case the sum of the parts do not equal the whole.

So to turn the question back on you: What do you think we do have that's comparable?



S.
So nothing new just put everything into one event. That's what I thought. Don't see that being a big attraction. And from what I've seen our Events are already comparable to the movie invasion as long as they occur in a popular zone for players to gather. Less popular zones frequently have no one show up at all.

Event starts, the majority of players go somewhere else leaving a handful to fight off the enemy.
Aliens invade New York, only six super heroes show up. All the other NYC based heroes in the Marvelverse are mysteriously absent.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
We're seeing it as a Studio tomorrow morning, so if the devs come back with some craaaaazy ideas, you'll know why.
One of the young* ladies I work with in our Technology Department proposed this same thing to our Technology Director as a good teamwork opportunity.

Our secretary agreed as did a few of the other employees in the department, one just for the opportunity to leave campus early.

Our Technology Director, while looking forward to seeing the movie this weekend multiple times, denied the request.




I'm one of the few geeky ones in the department. Most of them view my CoH trips and activities as just "TJ being weird".





*young meaning younger than me (that's most of the department)

If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.

Black Pebble is my new hero.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project View Post
So nothing new just put everything into one event. That's what I thought. Don't see that being a big attraction. And from what I've seen our Events are already comparable to the movie invasion as long as they occur in a popular zone for players to gather. Less popular zones frequently have no one show up at all.

Event starts, the majority of players go somewhere else leaving a handful to fight off the enemy.
Aliens invade New York, only six super heroes show up. All the other NYC based heroes in the Marvelverse are mysteriously absent.

Wow, aren't you a little ray of sunshine? Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or something? 'Oh, yawn...not a big attraction.'

In what alternate universe where apparently breaking all these components up into seperate events become somehow more fun than putting them logically into one continuous scenario? Are you seriously going to compare a moving, dynamic event such as what occurs in the movie to something like a Rikti Raid where the 'strategy' is 'stand in one spot and wait for the waves of spawn to appear in the huge cluster of heroes that stand around for the free XP?'

COME ON.

And you didn't even attempt to answer my question...instead, you sidestepped it by saying 'oh, nothing new.'

We don't have anything like that scenario in the game and you know it. You're just being disingenuous at this point because of that. And you're also talking about a zone event when everybody, including myself (the originator of the thread) agreed it'd work better in a Trial or a TF. If the concept doesn't interest you that much that you're simply just nitpicking, then it'd be better to just say 'I don't like this' and move on, because that'd be better than what you're doing now.



S.

Part of Sister Flame's Clickey-Clack Posse

 

Posted

One of the staples of superhero group stories (on film, tv, and print) is "there are a few tasks that need doing at the same time, then everyone comes together for the big fight". Haven't seen Avengers yet so don't know if that's exactly what they do, but I get the feeling there's at least part of this happening.

The Lambda trial has a touch of this, with one team going after the acid while the other goes after the pacification grenades. I think it works better in trials than zone events, because this sort of action takes organization and planning, which doesn't just happen.

If they ever want to revamp Hami, I'd try the same thing, just working off the top of my head...

Trial for 48 members (four teams). Start in a minor base set up in the Hive by Vanguard. They've been tracking inter dimensional signals from the Hive, have concluded that Primal Hami and Praetorian Hami are linking up. Four hotspots have to be dealt with, two in Primal Earth, two in Praetoria, simultaneously. Limited time, so the heroes have to split up. Once all goals are accomplished or time runs out, a new version of Hami appears, with the exact form and power being dependent upon on how many goals were successful.

You could also revamp the Rikti Mothership raid (instead of planting the bombs, the teams go into parts of the mothership to do things). It also could be used for a villainous trial - hostages must be collected/security devices shut down/weapons acquired for the assault on the target.

My arcs are constantly shifting, just search for GadgetDon for the latest.
The world beware! I've started a blog
GadgetMania Under Attack: The Digg Lockout

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
We're seeing it as a Studio tomorrow morning, so if the devs come back with some craaaaazy ideas, you'll know why.
Is this really a bad thing? Or a problem? I mean I understand the warning comes because it must have happened before. Still is it really that big of a problem that they get strange n crazy ideas from movies?

Question inspired by Jeff Foxworthy.

Weapon Alpha/Logan Omega - Scrapper/Stalker - Lvl 50(+3)/23
Dont under estimate a stalker - "What you can't see will kill you ..." SnakeSniper
Thanatos Omega - Stalker - Lvl 50(+1)

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by GadgetDon View Post
Trial for 48 members (four teams).
Isn't that SIX teams?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted



Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Isn't that SIX teams?
Forget it. He's rolling.


Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperOz View Post
In what alternate universe where apparently breaking all these components up into seperate events become somehow more fun than putting them logically into one continuous scenario? Are you seriously going to compare a moving, dynamic event such as what occurs in the movie to something like a Rikti Raid where the 'strategy' is 'stand in one spot and wait for the waves of spawn to appear in the huge cluster of heroes that stand around for the free XP?'
Unfortunately, this universe. The one thing to remember is that this game has to cater to novice as well as experienced gamers, power gamers as well as role players, and everyone in between.

What you're describing is actually possible to do, you would just need a couple of things:
  • A group of people willing to go about an invasion/ship raid event in an abnormal fashion.
  • Someone willing to give instructions/orders on-the-fly.
I'll use the ship raid as an example. Instead of everyone destroying the pylons together, you split into 2 groups, each going opposite ways around the ship taking half the pylons each. The bomb phase would probably proceed normally, since there's not much variation to be had there. Then (assuming you have a full league) perhaps you split into three groups (2 balanced teams each), and "target" different areas of the ship. There will be an added challenge due to the smaller numbers in one area, as well as a higher level of necessary coordination.

It is possible, just need the right people (or the right warning to people joining). Unfortunately though, the majority of gamers prefer the rewards-to-time-invested ratio to weigh heavily on the former. Thus, we get zone events that can be done intricately, but are simple enough to "sit 'n smash" if that's what the league wants.


On a personal note, I do not fall into that category. I designed an entire Vanguard-spinoff SG based on exactly what you are describing (see signature for details). So, if you (Oz) organized a "special" run of some sort of event or whatnot that incorporated a lot of this, I would be down. I am sitting on 6 character transfers, so I could go to any server on which it would be happening.

@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.

 

Posted

Now if only zone events could spawn a separate or phased instance for those who want to partake in it...

Like there was this one time, I went to Rikti War Zone to get away from the Rikti. |-:

 

Posted

I would like to experience in game what I saw in the movie for the coming storm.

Anywhoo... hope the devs had a fun time at the movie and hope they're taking notes in one form or another. And for those who haven't seen it yet, stay until the very end of the credits. US release has a scene that wasn't shown in the international release.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
What the heck? No, that is wrong.

"Ate" is pronounced like "plate" without the "pl" part (ait/ayt). It is not pronounced like "hat" without the "h" (not "at").

I don't know a single person who is not a redneck that says "I at some pizza last night." EVERYONE I know (who is not a redneck) says "I ayt some pizza last night."

Note that rednecks pronounce all kinds of words wrong, mostly because they don't know any better.

Speaking as a redneck, we don't pronounce it that way either.

Mostly, an old-school southern drawl will draw out the hard A sound to an ayyy, like the sound Fonzie makes on Happy Days. So we say ate pronounced ayyt.

For enhanced linguistic precision, we will distinguish between a past act of eating and a completed act of eating by appending the word done as an adverb.

I.e.,

Past act: We ate ham for dinner last Christmas.

Completed act: We done ate an hour ago but there's leftovers if you want them. OR: He done ate 57 hot dogs in 2 minutes! Can you imagine?

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Starjammer View Post
Speaking as a redneck, we don't pronounce it that way either.

Mostly, an old-school southern drawl will draw out the hard A sound to an ayyy, like the sound Fonzie makes on Happy Days. So we say ate pronounced ayyt.

For enhanced linguistic precision, we will distinguish between a past act of eating and a completed act of eating by appending the word done as an adverb.

I.e.,

Past act: We ate ham for dinner last Christmas.

Completed act: We done ate an hour ago but there's leftovers if you want them. OR: He done ate 57 hot dogs in 2 minutes! Can you imagine?
Here in Hawaii, ate is a number. One, two, tree, for, five, six, seven, ate, nine, ten.

The past tense of eat is "went eat" as in I went eat the ham on Christmas.

Not to be confused with the past perfect version of "went go eat" as in I went go eat the ham was leftovers.

The completion version is "pau eat" as in I pau eat the ham, no more already.

The present tense is "stay eating." I stay eating the ham. Like I make you one plate?

[Guide to Defense] [Scrapper Secondaries Comparison] [Archetype Popularity Analysis]

In one little corner of the universe, there's nothing more irritating than a misfile...
(Please support the best webcomic about a cosmic universal realignment by impaired angelic interference resulting in identity crisis angst. Or I release the pigmy water thieves.)

 

Posted

I liked the part where it was revealed that Thor hits like a little girl so he acts only as the team's distraction/rodeo clown while Iron Man and Hawkeye stay safely out of the fight picking off enemies from a distance, otherwise they get disoriented and go down like a sack of yams if they get tagged a couple times.


.

 

Posted

Okay, I just got back from seeing the movie, and I still don't know what the OP is referring to.

If it's something along the lines of "split up and fight various aspects of an event," I don't think that can work because our characters and their enemies are powered by game mechanics, not the story's plot. In a movie or a comic book or a novel, the content's creators know a great deal about the characters and can tailor challenges not only to their abilities (or their weaknesses) but to their particular personalities. City of Heroes can't do this. The game cannot, and I would argue, should not, distinguish between a Titan Weapons/WP brute who's an anime-inspired school/cat-girl and a Titan Weapons/WP brute who's a genetically engineered, raging monster bashing enemies with a roadsign he picked up. To the game, the characters are only their attributes, not the rest of their aspects that are layered in by the players. Similarly, it cannot have enemies like the cetacean-things from The Avengers that can be beaten single-handedly by some kinds of characters and are vastly beyond the weight class of others. "Why can't my Blaster solo the Giant Monster when all the Tankers can?" I hear players crying in such a situation. This goes beyond the buzzword of "game balance" and enters the touchy-feely realm of what feels "fair."

In an unrelated matter, I hope the Paragon Studios gang enjoys it.

"Bombarding the CoH/V fora with verbosity since January, 2006"

Djinniman, level 50 inv/fire tanker, on Victory
-and 40 others on various servers

A CoH Comic: Kid Eros in "One Light"

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olantern View Post
In an unrelated matter, I hope the Paragon Studios gang enjoys it.
Oh we did...I was fairly giddy all the way through.

Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Here in Hawaii, ate is a number. One, two, tree, for, five, six, seven, ate, nine, ten.[/I]
On my last visit I found myself starting to pick up the pigeon something fierce.

Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
I liked the part where it was revealed that Thor hits like a little girl so he acts only as the team's distraction/rodeo clown while Iron Man and Hawkeye stay safely out of the fight picking off enemies from a distance, otherwise they get disoriented and go down like a sack of yams if they get tagged a couple times.
So Thor is a brute?

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
On my last visit I found myself starting to pick up the pigeon something fierce.
'Pidgin'.

@Demobot

Also on Steam

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Demobot View Post
'Pidgin'.
You can't eat pidgin, but you can eat pigeon.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Softcapping an Invuln is fantastic. Softcapping a Willpower is amazing. Softcapping SR is kissing your sister.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Demobot View Post
'Pidgin'.
Actually, the mental image of the original is better.

[Guide to Defense] [Scrapper Secondaries Comparison] [Archetype Popularity Analysis]

In one little corner of the universe, there's nothing more irritating than a misfile...
(Please support the best webcomic about a cosmic universal realignment by impaired angelic interference resulting in identity crisis angst. Or I release the pigmy water thieves.)

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperOz View Post
Wow, aren't you a little ray of sunshine? Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or something? 'Oh, yawn...not a big attraction.'
When I see players leaving zones when raids start, or raids in progress where a handful of interested parties can't find enough people to participate to meet the objectives then I define that as not being a big attraction.

Quote:
In what alternate universe where apparently breaking all these components up into seperate events become somehow more fun than putting them logically into one continuous scenario?
And where exactly did I make that suggestion? I didn't.

Quote:
Are you seriously going to compare a moving, dynamic event such as what occurs in the movie to something like a Rikti Raid where the 'strategy' is 'stand in one spot and wait for the waves of spawn to appear in the huge cluster of heroes that stand around for the free XP?'
No I'm comparing it to all of our zone events, not just the Rikti Raid.

Quote:
And you didn't even attempt to answer my question...instead, you sidestepped it by saying 'oh, nothing new.'
Oh I answered the question. You just don't like it.

Quote:
We don't have anything like that scenario in the game and you know it.
And I respectfully disagree.

Quote:
You're just being disingenuous at this point because of that.
No that would mean I either didn't see the movie, but from my comments about scenes that can only be scene in the movie you know that's not true. Or that I'm lying about people avoiding zone events, but we know that isn't true. The only thing you can question is if I'm sincere about my opinion, and on that all I can do is assure you that I am.


Quote:
And you're also talking about a zone event when everybody, including myself (the originator of the thread) agreed it'd work better in a Trial or a TF.
I recall what happened when the devs turned the once popular Winter Zone Event into a trial, and how vocal the people that hated it were. I also recall how hard it was on Virtue to get enough people to do it.

Quote:
If the concept doesn't interest you that much that you're simply just nitpicking, then it'd be better to just say 'I don't like this' and move on, because that'd be better than what you're doing now.
What I'm doing now? You chose to engage me in a conversation by asking me a direct question after I posted my initial response and I politely responded. That is how communication works. One party says something and another party responds.

 

Posted

Apropos of absolutely nothing:

An actor might effect an affect to affect an audience to great effect.

Just because.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
And it's a real waste, to be honest. A Nemesis-styled event that's just a blunt head-on assault just seems out of character for the guy. Someone suggested suddenly having all civilians pull Nemesis rifles and revealing they were Automatons all along, now THAT would have been more his style. Still out of character, but more his style. Probably still as boring to play, too.
No. Having a random chance at a set interval that, in a defined radius around each hero, one of the civilians would pull a Nemesis rifle and unload on them. So you could be standing there on the street and some random woman walks past you waving, then suddenly stops, turns around, and starts shooting at you.

"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers