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Well it's as I feared... the community has been wrangled into accepting a change to the system instead of simply asking for crafted procs to be made to work identically to store bought procs.
It's really interesting to see the community get railroaded as Synapse cherry picks things to reply to and continues throwing out little adjustments till he strikes the right chord to get enough voices to jump on board. I thought this sort maneuvering and trickery only happened in politics.
The store bought procs were fine as they were. Crafted IO procs could have simply been made to work the same. If there was a need for anything it would have been a floor so quick recharging powers weren't screwed.
Instead people who paid for store bought enhancements because they worked a certain way are having their purchased products "remotely firmwared" into something they would never have paid for with no mention at all of any sort of recourse for return/reimbursement.
At least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing, without a doubt, that sales for SBE's will go down because of the change.
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That sort of clarity without justification must be nice to have, although its something I will never know.
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Well it's as I feared... the community has been wrangled into accepting a change to the system instead of simply asking for crafted procs to be made to work identically to store bought procs.
It's really interesting to see the community get railroaded as Synapse cherry picks things to reply to and continues throwing out little adjustments till he strikes the right chord to get enough voices to jump on board. I thought this sort maneuvering and trickery only happened in politics. The store bought procs were fine as they were. Crafted IO procs could have simply been made to work the same. If there was a need for anything it would have been a floor so quick recharging powers weren't screwed. Instead people who paid for store bought enhancements because they worked a certain way are having their purchased products "remotely firmwared" into something they would never have paid for with no mention at all of any sort of recourse for return/reimbursement. At least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing, without a doubt, that sales for SBE's will go down because of the change. |
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That sort of clarity without justification must be nice to have, although its something I will never know.
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All I can say is, from observations, it seems to me that this topic simply ignored anyone who wanted things to stay as they were and slowly but surely started a "dialogue" as Synapse plied various formulas and people jumped in to be part of the "creative process" and suddenly people are "excited" about breaking something that works just fine as it is. At least that is how I see it.
Between the nerfing of the SBE procs and the crafted procs becoming identical to them there is little reason to waste points/money on buying them. Certainly less incentive than right now. The bitter pill still comes back to the people who have paid for one thing are having it "remotely firmwared" into something else... something they didn't want and would not have paid for. All without offering anything in the way of a return policy even if only for a short period.
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I though they were going to make them all the same, which making them all like the SBE procs seemed like an easier solution.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
Well it's as I feared... the community has been wrangled into accepting a change to the system instead of simply asking for crafted procs to be made to work identically to store bought procs.
It's really interesting to see the community get railroaded as Synapse cherry picks things to reply to and continues throwing out little adjustments till he strikes the right chord to get enough voices to jump on board. I thought this sort maneuvering and trickery only happened in politics. The store bought procs were fine as they were. Crafted IO procs could have simply been made to work the same. If there was a need for anything it would have been a floor so quick recharging powers weren't screwed. Instead people who paid for store bought enhancements because they worked a certain way are having their purchased products "remotely firmwared" into something they would never have paid for with no mention at all of any sort of recourse for return/reimbursement. At least I'll have the satisfaction of knowing, without a doubt, that sales for SBE's will go down because of the change. |
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Oh they ARE going to make them all the same.... AFTER they nerf them. Basically SBE procs get nerfed and crafted procs become just like SBE procs. Hurray.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I though they were going to make them all the same, which making them all like the SBE procs seemed like an easier solution.
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Based on the numbers we've been seeing so far, only the most egregious outliers are going to actually be nerfed, Kyriani.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Based on the numbers we've been seeing so far, only the most egregious outliers are going to actually be nerfed, Kyriani.
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A nerf is a nerf regardless... and the fact that 100% chance wont be possible anymore no matter how long the recharge time is a nerf. We also get nerfed for slotting recharge or using Spiritual or Agility alphas. Intended functioning or not is not really the point. This sort of issue should have been dealt with before these procs ever hit the market. Still, again, not the point.|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Based on the numbers we've been seeing so far, only the most egregious outliers are going to actually be nerfed, Kyriani.
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The point as I have said it before is that I have no problem with them making the change. I do however feel it is wrong to change a product people spent real money on after the fact and offer no way for the customer to return said product which does not function as it did when they purchased it. It's like buying a stereo to listen to your favorite station and the manufacturer decides to remote firmware it so it cant tune in your station anymore. Sure the stereo still tunes in other stations and you can listen to music but it is no longer the product you paid for. It is now something you'd never have bought. THAT is where my issue is. If they were to grandfather the old procs or for a limited time allow people who bought the SBE's because of how they worked to return them for a refund I would have NOTHING to complain about.
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I don't doubt you see things that way. The fact that you imply you're absolutely certain most other people see it in the exact same way is the particular point I was commenting on. Maybe sales will go up or remain the same because more people think the changes are entirely reasonable. Maybe people are not as easy to manipulate as that, or if they are maybe its possible you've been manipulated into thinking the way you do if it really is that easy.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
Arcanaville I have always respected you and enjoyed your posts. I will not argue with you. I'd lose if I tried, of that I am certain.
All I can say is, from observations, it seems to me that this topic simply ignored anyone who wanted things to stay as they were and slowly but surely started a "dialogue" as Synapse plied various formulas and people jumped in to be part of the "creative process" and suddenly people are "excited" about breaking something that works just fine as it is. At least that is how I see it. Between the nerfing of the SBE procs and the crafted procs becoming identical to them there is little reason to waste points/money on buying them. Certainly less incentive than right now. The bitter pill still comes back to the people who have paid for one thing are having it "remotely firmwared" into something else... something they didn't want and would not have paid for. All without offering anything in the way of a return policy even if only for a short period. |
Being certain about the value of things to a lot of people when valuation is a highly subjective thing is not something an objective observer can ever be.
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Oh I am not saying everyone sees it the way I do... not at all. I do however see little incentive to buy the store IO procs when the crafted ones will work just as well in their new state. I know I for one have lost any incentive to buy the procs since they are changing. My only reason for buying what I did is BECAUSE they worked a specific way. If nothing else I have no reason to ever buy another proc from the store and that is guaranteed income lost from me. Maybe I am wrong but I'd be surprised if I was the only person who felt that way.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't doubt you see things that way. The fact that you imply you're absolutely certain most other people see it in the exact same way is the particular point I was commenting on. Maybe sales will go up or remain the same because more people think the changes are entirely reasonable. Maybe people are not as easy to manipulate as that, or if they are maybe its possible you've been manipulated into thinking the way you do if it really is that easy.
Being certain about the value of things to a lot of people when valuation is a highly subjective thing is not something an objective observer can ever be. |
The fact that I am not given even a hint that I might have some recourse to take is simply a very bitter pill to swallow being a customer for as long as I have been. And I want the devs to know at least one customer is upset by that.
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You're complaining in the wrong place, then.
The community manager has stated multiple times that this is a place for discussion on the game mechanics, not the market. If you want to complain about the market policies, PM Zwil or Black Pebble.
Most abilities are going to gain proc rate from this, and not a small amount, either.
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I just checked out of curiosity what my FM/SD Scrapper's attacks would look like post-changes.|
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And anyone who uses spiritual or agility.
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Cremate with 66.25% +Recharge and a Mako proc will have a 39% chance to proc.
Incinerate with 96.4% Recharge and a Mako proc will have a 42% chance to proc.
Greater Fire Sword with 89.9%% Recharge and a Hecatomb and Mako proc will have 81% and 54% chances to proc, respectively
Fire Sword Circle with 89.9% Recharge and an Armageddon and Obliteration proc will have 58% and 39% chances to proc, respectively
Shield Charge with 89.9% Recharge and an Obliteration proc will have a capped 90% chance to proc (uncapped chance of 94%).
Those ST attacks have 8+1.5, 10+1.67, and 12+2.33 base cycle times respectively.
FSC is 20+2.67s base with a 10' radius.
Shield Charge is something of an anomaly with it's 90+1.5s cycle time, yes, but it still has a 20 foot radius and it's a capped proc chance at 90% enhanced recharge.
If you're using IO procs, you're very unlikely to lose proc chance in all but the most ridiculous cases, and as you can see, even on a pretty standard set of attacks enhanced pretty heavily for recharge, you'll probably gain substantially.
If you're using SBO procs and are upset about numbers like that, you need to get a grip.
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I24 Proc Chance = (Enhanced Recharge + Activation Time) * (Current PPM * 1.25) / 60*(1 + .75*(.15*Radius - 0.011*Radius*(360-Arc)/30)) Single Target Radius = 0. AoE Non-Cone Arc = 360.
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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Re: Spiritual/Agility - unless you're already using PPM enhancements you'll almost certainly still come out ahead in most cases.
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If you're using SBO procs and are upset about numbers like that, you need to get a grip.
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I'm sorry if I seem like I am overreacting but my "fun money" is limited. I make purchases with it carefully. When I spend on something I try to get things I know I will enjoy. When something I spent that money is arbitrarily changed into something I would not have spent any money on and I am told I can't return the product, I don't think its unreasonable to be upset.
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Can you run those calculations again as if you were using T4 Spiritual?|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Re: Spiritual/Agility - unless you're already using PPM enhancements you'll almost certainly still come out ahead in most cases.
I just checked out of curiosity what my FM/SD Scrapper's attacks would look like post-changes. Cremate with 66.25% +Recharge and a Mako proc will have a 39% chance to proc. Incinerate with 96.4% Recharge and a Mako proc will have a 42% chance to proc. Greater Fire Sword with 89.9%% Recharge and a Hecatomb and Mako proc will have 81% and 54% chances to proc, respectively Fire Sword Circle with 89.9% Recharge and an Armageddon and Obliteration proc will have 58% and 39% chances to proc, respectively Shield Charge with 89.9% Recharge and an Obliteration proc will have a capped 90% chance to proc (uncapped chance of 94%). |
That would mean 126.16 rchg in FSC, GFS, and SC. 128.65 rchg in Incin. And 110.13 rchg in Cremate.
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Yes you would! Everytime you spend your precious money on this game and they change something after the fact, YOU will complain. This is not your first complaint, I doubt very much it will be your last.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
A nerf is a nerf regardless... and the fact that 100% chance wont be possible anymore no matter how long the recharge time is a nerf. We also get nerfed for slotting recharge or using Spiritual or Agility alphas. Intended functioning or not is not really the point. This sort of issue should have been dealt with before these procs ever hit the market. Still, again, not the point.
The point as I have said it before is that I have no problem with them making the change. I do however feel it is wrong to change a product people spent real money on after the fact and offer no way for the customer to return said product which does not function as it did when they purchased it. It's like buying a stereo to listen to your favorite station and the manufacturer decides to remote firmware it so it cant tune in your station anymore. Sure the stereo still tunes in other stations and you can listen to music but it is no longer the product you paid for. It is now something you'd never have bought. THAT is where my issue is. If they were to grandfather the old procs or for a limited time allow people who bought the SBE's because of how they worked to return them for a refund I would have NOTHING to complain about. |
What you forget is that there NO GUARANTEES in this Game, or any other for that matter. In fact I can think of a Producer that has an annoying habit of buying successful IPs and then "Fixing" them, to only have them fail quite quickly.
I dislike the term NERF. In this game there is no such thing as a NERF. What everyone forgets is that this is a constantly evolving and growing World. As such there will always be confilicts, and when those conflicts arise a compromise solution MUST be found to enable the world to continue to grow and evolve. Every Devoloper and Producer who forgets that one simple rule, ends up with a failed IP. Be glad that we have a team of Developers that do their best (as openly as they are allowed) to let us know when these conflicts arise (assuming Acrcanaville, Zombie Man, Samuel Tow and other don't catch them first), and work on finding solutions for those conflicts; with our input as much as possible.
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You make it seem like I complain about anything at the drop of a hat... I assure you my posting history will prove I do not. I may make several posts on a specific topic, but I do not complain about every little thing for the sake of complaining.|
Originally Posted by StellarAgent
Yes you would! Everytime you spend your precious money on this game and they change something after the fact, YOU will complain. This is not your first complaint, I doubt very much it will be your last.
What you forget is that there NO GUARANTEES in this Game, or any other for that matter. In fact I can think of a Producer that has an annoying habit of buying successful IPs and then "Fixing" them, to only have them fail quite quickly. I dislike the term NERF. In this game there is no such thing as a NERF. What everyone forgets is that this is a constantly evolving and growing World. As such there will always be confilicts, and when those conflicts arise a compromise solution MUST be found to enable the world to continue to grow and evolve. Every Devoloper and Producer who forgets that one simple rule, ends up with a failed IP. Be glad that we have a team of Developers that do their best (as openly as they are allowed) to let us know when these conflicts arise (assuming Arcanaville, Zombie Man, Samuel Tow and other don't catch them first), and work on finding solutions for those conflicts; with our input as much as possible. |
In most situations I have nothing but praise for the COH dev team. I am just particularly bitter about having paid money for a specific product that worked a specific way and having it change without any method for me to return said product being made available. If I were able to return the procs I purchased I would support any changes the devs deemed necessary.
To me it feels like I've been taken advantage of. That I was lured into spending my money to buy one thing and then what I bought automagically becomes something different than what I paid for and I am told to "suck it up". Maybe I am wrong to be upset? But who wouldn't feel that way in a non-virtual situation?
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All content in an MMO is subject to change. This is and has always been true. There are no exceptions regardless of what other people think are *supposed* to be exceptions. I know this. I accept this. I choose to spend money on this game - and other games - knowing full well and accepting that risk.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
And if you ARE? And if you lose performance due to the change? And if there is nothing you can do about these SBE's that are no longer what you paid for and dont do what made you buy them in first place? What then?
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Everyone else must make their choice. They can choose to accept that choice or they can choose to reject that choice. If they have the time and energy, and plan on very long time horizons they can try to change that choice with the understanding any such attempt will require enormous effort that will go unrewarded for long periods of time with no guarantee of success. But regardless, everyone else must make their choice, and no one can make it for them. That's the bottom line. They can also discuss it, complain about it, and editorialize about it. But the choice will remain the same regardless.
And MMO companies understand not everyone will accept that choice. A rejection of that choice by some people is not unexpected.
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Yes, I am. Those numbers are still significantly greater than the old IOs you could aquire in-game. If you're upset because you paid real money so you could be overpowered, and don't let the weight of this miss you, I not only feel no mercy for you, I feel you deserve it.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
I need to get a grip because the product I paid for is being changed into something I would never have paid for and the company is not willing to let me return them for a refund in points? Really? You're going with that?
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SBOs were never supposed to be unilaterally superior to the in-game enhancements, and the fact that you and others decided to abuse their status is a large part of the reason for the mechanical changes.
The fact that you also didn't see it coming a mile away that flat rate IOs were eventually going to be made into PPMs just shows a lack of foresight on your part.
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Get over it.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Can you run those calculations again as if you were using T4 Spiritual?
That would mean 126.16 rchg in FSC, GFS, and SC. 128.65 rchg in Incin. And 110.13 rchg in Cremate. |
Incinerate: 38%
Greater Fire Sword: 71% and 47%
Fire Sword Circle: 50% and 34%
Shield Charge: 79%
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I guess I was just hoping for a little more from our devs then. A stronger sense of ethics. I understand things will always change in an MMO. I have left coh when it became something I didn't care for (ED/control nerfs) and I came back when it was once again something fun (inventions). But somehow purchasing a specific product from the market, having it changed, and not having any option to return said product feels wrong. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
All content in an MMO is subject to change. This is and has always been true. There are no exceptions regardless of what other people think are *supposed* to be exceptions. I know this. I accept this. I choose to spend money on this game - and other games - knowing full well and accepting that risk.
Everyone else must make their choice. They can choose to accept that choice or they can choose to reject that choice. If they have the time and energy, and plan on very long time horizons they can try to change that choice with the understanding any such attempt will require enormous effort that will go unrewarded for long periods of time with no guarantee of success. But regardless, everyone else must make their choice, and no one can make it for them. That's the bottom line. They can also discuss it, complain about it, and editorialize about it. But the choice will remain the same regardless. And MMO companies understand not everyone will accept that choice. A rejection of that choice by some people is not unexpected. |
You can believe that I won't make that mistake again. If I can't trust my purchases on the market to BE what I purchased after some time goes by, and if I will not have any options to return a product I am dissatisfied with, I must simply not use the market to buy those things. And that's sad. Sad, that I can't use the market in that way, to support a game I enjoy by buying those enhancements, because I can't rely on the products I buy to stay the products I buy.
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Nice attitude there. So you're saying that I should have known that these procs... which were beta tested and had lots of feedback on em... and then made it to the live store, were going to be nerfed? And that I deserve to get ripped off because I couldn't see the future? You're all heart.|
Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar
Yes, I am. Those numbers are still significantly greater than the old IOs you could aquire in-game. If you're upset because you paid real money so you could be overpowered, and don't let the weight of this miss you, I not only feel no mercy for you, I feel you deserve it.
SBOs were never supposed to be unilaterally superior to the in-game enhancements, and the fact that you and others decided to abuse their status is a large part of the reason for the mechanical changes. The fact that you also didn't see it coming a mile away that flat rate IOs were eventually going to be made into PPMs just shows a lack of foresight on your part. In short: Get over it. Yes, I can, I'll edit them in in a moment. |
That's really all I have to say to you.
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You have complained in the past. It is all that I have said. Given what you have complained about in the past, it is very likely that you will complain again givien a similar scenario. No?|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
You make it seem like I complain about anything at the drop of a hat... I assure you my posting history will prove I do not. I may make several posts on a specific topic, but I do not complain about every little thing for the sake of complaining.
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Are you wrong to be upset? That is very subjective. However, in most things we should not forget that most people will listen politely and usually with empathy to the first complaint. But patience wears thin when it seems to be the only thing that can be talked about. That applies to me as well. So now that I've said my piece, I will allow the conversation to continue. :P
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I could think of a few choice things to call you, too, but I'll refrain.|
Originally Posted by Kyriani
Nice attitude there. So you're saying that I should have known that these procs... which were beta tested and had lots of feedback on em... and then made it to the live store, were going to be nerfed? And that I deserve to get ripped off because I couldn't see the future? You're all heart.
That's really all I have to say to you. |
I will repeat that this is not the place for complaining about "mean old marketing tactics," however.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
As Synapse stated, this is a change in game design with the intent of bringing parity to both SBE's and Crafted IO's. The intent of the change addresses a very real concern and complaint that has been voiced.
If you have concerns regarding your purchase, those should be addressed with customer service. In this thread, I would ask that you please discuss the mechanic changes specifically as it effects *all* enhancements, and not the nature of your purchase. Should you have additional thoughts, you are encouraged to PM myself (don't PM Synapse as he has nothing to do with Store policies) and I will be more than happy to pass along your concerns to the appropriate parties. Thanks. -Z |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
A reminder:
This thread is for discussion regarding the mechanical changes proposed by Synapse. All other discussion will be strictly moderated. Thanks -Z |
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Fair enough... I admit I have complained about the odd specific thing in the past (before this I think my crusade was for defender's ATO 4pc bonus being a healing bonus when not all defenders can heal). But if I complain about something it's because I care about the game. I don't do it to attack the devs. I don't do it just to up my post count.|
Originally Posted by StellarAgent
You have complained in the past. It is all that I have said. Given what you have complained about in the past, it is very likely that you will complain again givien a similar scenario. No?
You use the terms "Feels like . . . " and "Lured". Where is your evidence that you were lured? How; what were the circomstances? You are knowingly (I assume) playing a game that is in constant flux. In what way were you deceived? Are you wrong to be upset? That is very subjective. However, in most things we should not forget that most people will listen politely and usually with empathy to the first complaint. But patience wears thin when it seems to be the only thing that can be talked about. That applies to me as well. So now that I've said my piece, I will allow the conversation to continue. :P |
But I'll admit I've probably posted more than I need to on this topic and this will be my last post about it. My issue seems to have fallen on deaf ears anyways and other posters apparently feel I deserve to be ripped off and that I am stupid for having spent money on the procs in the first place because I should have somehow been able to see the future. Consider me done with this thread.
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