Lost connection to mapserver


Ramen

 

Posted

This seems to be a problem that popped up a couple of days ago. I'm constantly losing connection to the map server. Netgraph is always green so no network latency. Oddly enough if I log in with my 2nd account, I can see my primary account standing there but the "Loosing connection to mapserver" words will be on his game screen. Don't know if that means anything

Posting my HijackThis and CoH Helper shortly


 

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Code:
---System information gathered by CoH Helper version 0.2.0.2---

DxDiag gathered at October 13, 2011 17:11 (-04:00)
Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.110622-1506)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
System Model: Z68A-D3H-B3
BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
Central Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz (4 CPUs), ~3.3GHz
Memory: 8192MB
.Net Memory Report: 5829MB out of 8175MB available
Page File: 13870MB (2477MB currently in use)
C Drive: (WDC WD5000AAKS-00A7B0 ATA Device) 54084MB out of 476929MB (11%) free
D Drive: (ST3750528AS ATA Device) 219081MB out of 715400MB (30%) free
E Drive: (HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH22NS50 ATA Device) zero-size drive
F Drive: (JWP XQZCLYZK SCSI CdRom Device) zero-size drive
Windows directory location: C:\Windows
DirectX: DirectX 11
DirectX Diag version: 6.01.7601.17514 (64-bit version)

Display Notes: No problems found.
Sound Notes: No problems found.

No problems found.

No problems found.

No problems found.
Input Notes: No problems found.

Monitor: 
Monitor's Max Resolution: (blank)
Video Device Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 470
Manufacturer / Chip: NVIDIA / GeForce GTX 470
Video Memory: 4064 MB
Driver Version: 8.17.12.8026
Driver Date: 8/3/2011 7:50:00 AM
Driver Language: English

Sound Device Description: Speakers (USB Audio Device)
Driver File: USBAUDIO.sys
Driver Version: 6.01.7601.17514
Driver Date: 11/20/2010 6:43:52 AM

Sound Device Description: Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Driver File: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6307
Driver Date: 2/11/2011 6:18:44 AM

Sound Device Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Driver File: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6307
Driver Date: 2/11/2011 6:18:44 AM

Sound Device Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Driver File: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6307
Driver Date: 2/11/2011 6:18:44 AM


WMI Information
Motherboard Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
Motherboard Model: (empty)
Motherboard Product: Z68A-D3H-B3
Motherboard Version: x.x
BIOS Manufacturer: Award Software International, Inc.
BIOS Name: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
BIOS Version: GBT    - 42302e31
BIOS Release: 20110419000000.000000+000


Registry Information for Current User
Resolution: 1920x1080
3D Resolution: 1920x1080 (Not using renderscale)
Full Screen: Yes
Maximized: No
Screen Position: 0, 0
Refresh Rate: 60Hz
Vertical Sync Enabled: Yes


Physics Quality: Very High
Maximum Particles: 50000
Max Particle Fill? 10.000
Physics Card Enabled: No


Anti-aliasing: 2x
Anisotropic Filtering: 2x
Texture LOD Bias: Smooth
Water Effects: Ultra quality
Bloom: 1.000 (turned on)
Depth of Field Enabled: No
Desaturation Effects (Sepia) Enabled: Yes
Shader Detail: High


World Texture Level: Very High
Character Texture Level: Very High
World Detail Level (Vis_Scale): 1.000
Entity Detail Level: 1.000
Shadows Enabled: No
Shadow Mode: Unknown (5)
Shadow Map Shader: High quality
Environmental Reflections: Ultra quality
Advanced Occlusion Settings: No
Ambient Occlusion: Quality
Occlusion Strength: Medium
Blur: Trilateral
Ambient Resolution: Quality


Gamma Correction: 1.000
Geometry Buffers (VBOs) Enabled: Yes
Suppression of FX When Camera Close Enabled: Yes
Close Suppression Range: 3.000
Show Advertisements: Yes

Audio Mode: Performance
3D Audio: No
FX Sound Volume: 0.401
Music Sound Volume: 0.500

Show Advanced Graphics Options: Yes
Overall Graphics Quality: 0.500
Reverse Mouse Buttons: No
Save Login Username: Yes
Transfer Rate: Unknown bytes/second
Current Game Version: ?
Installation Directory: D:\Program Files (x86)\City of Heroes

Mod files in the Data directory
.\fonts has 1 file
.\sound\ogg\weapons has 6 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Inspirations has 51 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Inspirations\Alternates has 1 file
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Pet_Command has 12 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Pet_Command\ALTERNATE-1 has 6 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Powers has 1279 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Powers\ALTERNATE-1 has 32 files
.\texture_library\GUI\Icons\Powers\ALTERNATE-2 has 12 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\city has 2 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\Midnight_Squad has 1 file
.\texture_library\MAPS\NewPlayerTutorial has 1 file
.\texture_library\MAPS\Safeguard has 9 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\sewers has 44 files
.\texture_library\MAPS\static has 40 files
.\texture_library\P_MAPS has 2 files
.\texture_library\V_MAPS\City has 2 files
.\texture_library\V_MAPS\Outdoor_Missions has 9 files
.\texture_library\V_MAPS\Static has 16 files


 

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Code:
Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.4
Scan saved at 5:23:48 PM, on 10/13/2011
Platform: Windows 7 SP1 (WinNT 6.00.3505)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v9.00 (9.00.8112.16421)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
D:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\Steam.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\RocketDock\RocketDock.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe
C:\Users\Ramen\Local Settings\Apps\F.lux\flux.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONENOTEM.EXE
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mionix\NAOS 5000 Laser Gaming Mouse\NAOS_Monitor.EXE
C:\Program Files\AVAST Software\Avast\AvastUI.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Winamp\winampa.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\plugin-container.exe
C:\Program Files (x86)\Trend Micro\HiJackThis\HiJackThis.exe

R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Page_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=54896
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=69157
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = 
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = 
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Local Page = C:\Windows\SysWOW64\blank.htm
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName = 
F2 - REG:system.ini: UserInit=userinit.exe
O2 - BHO: AcroIEHelperStub - {18DF081C-E8AD-4283-A596-FA578C2EBDC3} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Acrobat\ActiveX\AcroIEHelperShim.dll
O2 - BHO: Groove GFS Browser Helper - {72853161-30C5-4D22-B7F9-0BBC1D38A37E} - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\GROOVEEX.DLL
O2 - BHO: avast! WebRep - {8E5E2654-AD2D-48bf-AC2D-D17F00898D06} - C:\Program Files\AVAST Software\Avast\aswWebRepIE.dll
O2 - BHO: Windows Live ID Sign-in Helper - {9030D464-4C02-4ABF-8ECC-5164760863C6} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live\WindowsLiveLogin.dll
O2 - BHO: URLRedirectionBHO - {B4F3A835-0E21-4959-BA22-42B3008E02FF} - C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\URLREDIR.DLL
O2 - BHO: Java(tm) Plug-In 2 SSV Helper - {DBC80044-A445-435b-BC74-9C25C1C588A9} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\bin\jp2ssv.dll
O3 - Toolbar: avast! WebRep - {8E5E2654-AD2D-48bf-AC2D-D17F00898D06} - C:\Program Files\AVAST Software\Avast\aswWebRepIE.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Mionix NAOS 5000] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mionix\NAOS 5000 Laser Gaming Mouse\NAOS_Monitor.EXE"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [BCSSync] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\BCSSync.exe" /DelayServices
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [avast] "C:\Program Files\AVAST Software\Avast\avastUI.exe" /nogui
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WinampAgent] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Winamp\winampa.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Adobe ARM] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\AdobeARM.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Steam] "D:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steam.exe" -silent
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Google Update] "C:\Users\Ramen\AppData\Local\Google\Update\GoogleUpdate.exe" /c
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [RocketDock] "C:\Program Files (x86)\RocketDock\RocketDock.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [Skype] "C:\Program Files (x86)\Skype\Phone\Skype.exe" /nosplash /minimized
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [F.lux] "C:\Users\Ramen\Local Settings\Apps\F.lux\flux.exe" /noshow
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-19\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'LOCAL SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-20\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'NETWORK SERVICE')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-762931217-4061688543-1949505080-1007\..\Run: [Sidebar] %ProgramFiles%\Windows Sidebar\Sidebar.exe /autoRun (User 'UpdatusUser')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-762931217-4061688543-1949505080-1007\..\RunOnce: [mctadmin] C:\Windows\System32\mctadmin.exe (User 'UpdatusUser')
O4 - Startup: OneNote 2010 Screen Clipper and Launcher.lnk = C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONENOTEM.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Core Temp.lnk = C:\Program Files\Core Temp\Core Temp.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Rainmeter.lnk = C:\Program Files\Rainmeter\Rainmeter.exe
O8 - Extra context menu item: E&xport to Microsoft Excel - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\EXCEL.EXE/3000
O8 - Extra context menu item: Se&nd to OneNote - res://C:\PROGRA~2\MICROS~1\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll/105
O9 - Extra button: Send to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Se&nd to OneNote - {2670000A-7350-4f3c-8081-5663EE0C6C49} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIE.dll
O9 - Extra button: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: OneNote Lin&ked Notes - {789FE86F-6FC4-46A1-9849-EDE0DB0C95CA} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONBttnIELinkedNotes.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll
O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\program files (x86)\common files\microsoft shared\windows live\wlidnsp.dll
O11 - Options group: [ACCELERATED_GRAPHICS] Accelerated graphics
O16 - DPF: {E2883E8F-472F-4FB0-9522-AC9BF37916A7} - http://platformdl.adobe.com/NOS/getPlusPlus/1.6/gp.cab
O18 - Filter hijack: text/xml - {807573E5-5146-11D5-A672-00B0D022E945} - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\OFFICE14\MSOXMLMF.DLL
O23 - Service: Adobe Acrobat Update Service (AdobeARMservice) - Adobe Systems Incorporated - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\armsvc.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Alg.exe,-112 (ALG) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\alg.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: avast! Antivirus - AVAST Software - C:\Program Files\AVAST Software\Avast\AvastSvc.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\efssvc.dll,-100 (EFS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\fxsresm.dll,-118 (Fax) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\fxssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @keyiso.dll,-100 (KeyIso) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Intel(R) Management and Security Application Local Management Service (LMS) - Intel Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\LMS\LMS.exe
O23 - Service: @comres.dll,-2797 (MSDTC) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\msdtc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\System32\netlogon.dll,-102 (Netlogon) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Display Driver Service (nvsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Update Service Daemon (nvUpdatusService) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\NVIDIA Updatus\daemonu.exe
O23 - Service: PnkBstrA - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\PnkBstrA.exe
O23 - Service: PnkBstrB - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\PnkBstrB.exe
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\psbase.dll,-300 (ProtectedStorage) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\Locator.exe,-2 (RpcLocator) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\locator.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\samsrv.dll,-1 (SamSs) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\snmptrap.exe,-3 (SNMPTRAP) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\snmptrap.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\spoolsv.exe,-1 (Spooler) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\spoolsv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\sppsvc.exe,-101 (sppsvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\sppsvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Steam Client Service - Valve Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Steam\SteamService.exe
O23 - Service: NVIDIA Stereoscopic 3D Driver Service (Stereo Service) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\NVIDIA Corporation\3D Vision\nvSCPAPISvr.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\ui0detect.exe,-101 (UI0Detect) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\UI0Detect.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: Intel(R) Management and Security Application User Notification Service (UNS) - Intel Corporation - C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Management Engine Components\UNS\UNS.exe
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vaultsvc.dll,-1003 (VaultSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\lsass.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\vds.exe,-100 (vds) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\System32\vds.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\vssvc.exe,-102 (VSS) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\vssvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%SystemRoot%\system32\Wat\WatUX.exe,-601 (WatAdminSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\Wat\WatAdminSvc.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%systemroot%\system32\wbengine.exe,-104 (wbengine) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbengine.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%Systemroot%\system32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe,-110 (wmiApSrv) - Unknown owner - C:\Windows\system32\wbem\WmiApSrv.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: @%PROGRAMFILES%\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe,-101 (WMPNetworkSvc) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files (x86)\Windows Media Player\wmpnetwk.exe (file missing)

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End of file - 10358 bytes


 

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Just a quick observation, it seems to happen more frequently at night


 

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Still waiting for my reply from official support. Seems like I'm alone in this. Another observation on my part. Had to say up from 1AM to 8 AM due to class related projects. No mapserve error during those hours. Apparently, those are my optimum hours to play. Not sure if I love this game that much to play during those time

Attached my pingpath. I don't know what to make of it but if it helps anything at all

Code:
Tracing route to cityofheroes.com [64.25.35.107]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
  0  Ramen-PC [192.168.1.100] 
  1  192.168.1.1 
  2  71.62.124.1 
  3  te-1-1-ur01.blacksburg.va.richmond.comcast.net [68.85.71.85] 
  4  te-8-3-ar01.staunton.va.richmond.comcast.net [69.139.165.161] 
  5  te-8-3-ar01.chesterfield.va.richmond.comcast.net [68.86.173.173] 
  6  te-0-1-0-1-cr01.charlotte.nc.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.117] 
  7  pos-3-12-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.221] 
  8  4.28.24.81 
  9  vlan52.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.150.126] 
 10  ae-73-73.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.148.253] 
 11  ae-7-7.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.134.21] 
 12  ae-63-63.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.151.133] 
 13  ae-1-60.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.145.11] 
 14  4.59.197.34 
 15  cityofheroes.com [64.25.35.107] 

Computing statistics for 375 seconds...
            Source to Here   This Node/Link
Hop  RTT    Lost/Sent = Pct  Lost/Sent = Pct  Address
  0                                           Ramen-PC [192.168.1.100] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  1    0ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  192.168.1.1 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  2   17ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  71.62.124.1 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  3   14ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  te-1-1-ur01.blacksburg.va.richmond.comcast.net [68.85.71.85] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  4   18ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  te-8-3-ar01.staunton.va.richmond.comcast.net [69.139.165.161] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  5   26ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  te-8-3-ar01.chesterfield.va.richmond.comcast.net [68.86.173.173] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  6   31ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  te-0-1-0-1-cr01.charlotte.nc.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.91.117] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  7   37ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  pos-3-12-0-0-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.86.221] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  8   41ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  4.28.24.81 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
  9   37ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  vlan52.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.150.126] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 10   39ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-73-73.ebr3.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.148.253] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 11   59ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-7-7.ebr3.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.134.21] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 12   58ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-63-63.csw1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.151.133] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 13   58ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  ae-1-60.edge2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.145.11] 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 14   60ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  4.59.197.34 
                                0/ 100 =  0%   |
 15   58ms     0/ 100 =  0%     0/ 100 =  0%  cityofheroes.com [64.25.35.107] 

Trace complete.


 

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Well, the problem mysteriously disappeared just as it had mysteriously appeared. Not going to complain when I can finally play again, so I digress