I think it'd be a good idea to announce if there are any MORE visual revamps.

They probably had it planned to give advance notice about the CoT change, but the leak from Comic-Con spoiled that.

And as far as thinking they need to run things by us first. Well, that's ludicrous, it's their game, they don't need our permission to do anything. It's nice thatthey listen to their players and make adjustments accordingly, but when all is said and done they can do whatever the hell they want, whether we like it or not.

We pay to subscribe to the game, not make decisions about what's in it. That would be like subscribing to a magazine and expecting to have a say in what the articles are about in a given issue.

I think the Circle of Thorns costume overhaul is going to be even more despised than than Jack's Council/Column retcon debacle.

Those can be the 'updated' look for that magician faction you fight very early in CoV. But as the CoT, though? No way. No no no no no way. They should update the robes and maybe apply that new glowy Radiant Ascension visual technology to the CoT wizards--NOT put them in spandex. Might as well rename them the Council of Thorns and pretend the original Circle never existed.

I like how
"Hey, it'd be nice if we could hear about upcoming changes sooner"
Became
"Devs MUST do what we say ALWAYS"
Because when I read the OP, I thought
"Yeah, Releasing concept art early is a great way to build hype and devs can choose to listen to the feedback, unofficially, or not"
But it's good I was told what this thread really is about.

Bless your heart, strawman.

We never going to be all agree in one single matter, so I think will be better to trust our devs as always and let them make their work.
They already said they will be tweaking the new CoT to make them look close to our feedback, so, expect the same costumes but with some tweaks for the colours, maybe some robe-belt like martial arts pack, cloacks and hoods with no face and green glowing eyes.
I think CoT will be cool enough, I personally glad they upgraded a mob group we face all time.

I would be surprised if someone ragequit and stop being a suscriber because the devs go ahead and upgrade the CoT with the costumes made by the art team with all the work that means.
If I were part of the art team and my hard work were not released because of players with strong feedback I would feel bad. Devs need to trust their team and workers too, not only players.

Not only that, but I'm not seeing anything about the New CoT costumes (Aside from maybe Some ultra-mode textures, maybe auras?) about the new costumes that was impossible in the early game, so much so that they'd start with something so completely different and then make this. Haven't tights and spiky shoulders existed in-game since launch?

You guys really are an entitled lot aren't you? This is not your game, it's their game and we pay to play it. If the dev's actually had to run everything by the playerbase every time with "You guys ok with this? May we do it?" nothing would ever happen or change.

Let the guys do what they do best and if you don't like the changes, sure you can voice that opinion but other then that, get over it.

I dunno...there is a bit of unnecessary Dev-bashing going on here for mine. This is clearly art from an issue that's in Beta, and yet with that in mind, there's an uproar for what is probably an early version of that very concept.

I don't mind people commenting on stuff, but there's Beta phases in place for this very reason. Undoubtedly the testers are commenting and have commented on these changes, and whilst it's fine to be vocal about things, it's not fine to brand the developers and artists and all the people who clearly work their collective butts off as being out of touch with the playerbase.

If that were the case, I think there would be vastly more things to be upset about, such as the move to the hybrid model, the loss of Galaxy City and the Market, rather than the overwhelmingly positive response to the new powersets that have been long requested and an incredibly open and transparent discussion about just what said hybrid model will mean for everyone.

The short version: cut them slack. Everyone, and I include myself as well as every single person who frequents this board, make mistakes. Sometimes they're deliberate, and sometimes they're well-intentioned. I agree with Positron personally; the CoT are nine years old and they could use a makeover. However, I don't pretend to know that what we've seen is their finished form and moreover, whether it's something players can have. I do know however that we cannot have the costumes the current CoT have because it's been well-documented that the robed look essentially has no legs. What you see is what you get in the CoT model. It can't physically be given to us.

Do I think it entirely reflects the Thorns? I think yes and no. The visual thorn part is fine, it just lacks the mystical side of things that obviously robes and hoods would lend to. I already suggested the Magic Booster with its great range of cloaks, hoods and parts is tailor-made for this and it'd support any suggestion that this new stuff becomes available to players down the road.

But seriously...more constructive discussion and less bashing, please. I've come to expect a certain maturity when it comes to our forum discussions and it'd be nice to see that continue.



S.