Early review of Capt. America: Favorable


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I love it when irony punches people in the face.
Considering Captain America was created by two Jewish guys, I don't think the irony was accidental either


 

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Along with Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I loved Captain America. I saw it twice within a week, which I haven't done since Aliens in '86. It's the best Indiana Jones movie we've had since The Last Crusade. This is what The Rocketeer should've been, and although I was afraid it would be another near-miss like Rocketeer, I was glad it actually hit on all cylinders. Action, humor, actual emotion and a 90-year-old virgin at the heart of it all.

The Disney acquisition of Marvel has paid off at least one dividend: Alan Menken penning the terrific USO song, "Star-Spangled Man With A Plan." Clever, cheesy and funny. Speaking of music, the score by Alan Silvestri is simply aces. Like the Indiana Jones March, the Captain America March is heroic and distinctive, promising adventure galore.
I'm curious is to how they will handle Cap's angst at being 70 years out of time in the Avengers. I truly hope they don't gloss it over, but let's not take up the majority of the film with it either.

I hope he gets to read up on history about D-day and how the Allies won, and just what legacy he created as Captain America and that his defeat of Hydra and the Skull are not forgotten. Also I would think he would have received a posthumous Medal of Honor for stopping the Skull and saving New York and the entire eastern seaboard. Also that he gets to look up Peggy Carter and either see her or read up on how her life was.


 

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Well since he was stomping about all over Europe I would dare to say he knew D-Day went well.


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I'm curious is to how they will handle Cap's angst at being 70 years out of time in the Avengers. I truly hope they don't gloss it over, but let's not take up the majority of the film with it either.

I hope he gets to read up on history about D-day and how the Allies won, and just what legacy he created as Captain America and that his defeat of Hydra and the Skull are not forgotten. Also I would think he would have received a posthumous Medal of Honor for stopping the Skull and saving New York and the entire eastern seaboard. Also that he gets to look up Peggy Carter and either see her or read up on how her life was.
I have faith Whedon will do right by him. I wonder if the Sharon Carter character in The Avengers will be related to Peggy?

His story is kind of sad, though. This poster says it all:


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I have faith Whedon will do right by him. I wonder if the Sharon Carter character in The Avengers will be related to Peggy?

His story is kind of sad, though. This poster says it all:

I don't recall it saying that in the movie.

We know he has troubles with getting with women at that point in his life, but who knows what happened to him before that point. Like in high school.


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I have faith Whedon will do right by him. I wonder if the Sharon Carter character in The Avengers will be related to Peggy?

His story is kind of sad, though. This poster says it all:

Sharon is supposed to be Peggy's grand daughter per the comics, so I suspect they would maintain that for the movie


 

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I don't recall it saying that in the movie.

We know he has troubles with getting with women at that point in his life, but who knows what happened to him before that point. Like in high school.
He was viewed and treated as the 98lb weakling even in school.


 

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Well since he was stomping about all over Europe I would dare to say he knew D-Day went well.
Would he? Didn't the events of the movie start in 1941 and proceed forward? I don't recall them mentioning how much time passed as Cap began wiping out Hydra bases, so it's possible that he went missing before D-Day. It's also possible that once Schmidt was taken down, that if Cap suvived that encounter he would have been deployed to Normandy to assist with D-Day. The movie doesn't clarify how much time elapsed between Cap hitting the ice and V-E Day so it's all conjecture.


 

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He was viewed and treated as the 98lb weakling even in school.
Yes!

But he could of gotten it on with the girl with the metal gear and the nervous tick who was really nice to him and liked him lots for his personality.


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Sharon is supposed to be Peggy's grand daughter per the comics, so I suspect they would maintain that for the movie
Interesting. I wonder why she has the same last name?

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But he could of gotten it on with the girl with the metal gear and the nervous tick who was really nice to him and liked him lots for his personality.
He could have, but it's pretty strongly implied that didn't happen. Either way, it's still a bummer.


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Interesting. I wonder why she has the same last name?

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To firmly establish her relation to Peggy I would think, or else perhaps her parents split up and she decided to use Carter as her last name.

Originally in the comics, Sharon was Peggy's daughter but thanks to retcons and the sliding timeline that keeps characters eternally young she's now PEggy's granddaughter.

Also in the new Captain America #1, it started with Steve and Sharon going to Peggy's funeral, so they may have her dead in the Avengers movie.


 

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I finally got around to seeing this today. It's presented pretty much the way I've been saying for 10 years or so that I'd make a Captain America movie if I had the opportunity - as a period piece - so I was already predisposed to like it, and I wasn't disappointed. Fantastic. Of the current crop of Marvel films, comes in a very close second to Iron Man in my book.

They even threw in a very offhanded reference to the 1979 TV-movie, which nearly made me laugh out loud in public.


 

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They even threw in a very offhanded reference to the 1979 TV-movie, which nearly made me laugh out loud in public.
I think I missed that due to blotting the 1979 movie from memory, what was it?


 

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I think I missed that due to blotting the 1979 movie from memory, what was it?
Cap props his shield up on the handlebars of his motorcycle at one point, just like Plastic Shield Cap in the TV-movie.


 

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Cap props his shield up on the handlebars of his motorcycle at one point, just like Plastic Shield Cap in the TV-movie.
Ah yes. Not sure if that was a nod to '79 Cap or just a tactical choice, but still funny.


 

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To firmly establish her relation to Peggy I would think, or else perhaps her parents split up and she decided to use Carter as her last name.

Originally in the comics, Sharon was Peggy's daughter but thanks to retcons and the sliding timeline that keeps characters eternally young she's now PEggy's granddaughter.

Also in the new Captain America #1, it started with Steve and Sharon going to Peggy's funeral, so they may have her dead in the Avengers movie.
Back when I was reading comics in the 70s, Sharon was Peggy's much younger sister. There was even a time when Peggy was shown to be still active and worked for the Avengers for a time as a pilot or something similar.


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Back when I was reading comics in the 70s, Sharon was Peggy's much younger sister. There was even a time when Peggy was shown to be still active and worked for the Avengers for a time as a pilot or something similar.
Hm I think I remember her being listed as a sister back in the beginning, but was retconned.....ah it looks like nowadays she's referred to as being Peggy's niece.

Amanda Righetti played the unnamed SHIELD agent at the end of First Avenger that greeted Steve after he awoke from his deep freeze. No confirmation if she was Sharon Carter, yet.


 

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Hm I think I remember her being listed as a sister back in the beginning, but was retconned.....ah it looks like nowadays she's referred to as being Peggy's niece.

Amanda Righetti played the unnamed SHIELD agent at the end of First Avenger that greeted Steve after he awoke from his deep freeze. No confirmation if she was Sharon Carter, yet.
According to IMDB's Avengers entry, she is.

I know I'm the only one geeking so hard about this aspect of it, but I absolutely love how they are intertwining all the movies together. To my knowledge, that's never been done before. It's something I always wanted to do ever since 8th grade when I read S.E. Hinton's novels The Outsiders and That Was Then, This Is Now where minor characters in one book are major players in the other.

I know some of the filmmakers like Favreau are chafing under the challenge and some viewers are starting to get annoyed at references to the other movies, but I'd love to be faced with the challenge of taking elements that are given to you and make them work within the constraints of a new story. When all is said and done, this will be one of the coolest series of movies ever made.


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According to IMDB's Avengers entry, she is.

I know I'm the only one geeking so hard about this aspect of it, but I absolutely love how they are intertwining all the movies together. To my knowledge, that's never been done before. It's something I always wanted to do ever since 8th grade when I read S.E. Hinton's novels The Outsiders and That Was Then, This Is Now where minor characters in one book are major players in the other.

I know some of the filmmakers like Favreau are chafing under the challenge and some viewers are starting to get annoyed at references to the other movies, but I'd love to be faced with the challenge of taking elements that are given to you and make them work within the constraints of a new story. When all is said and done, this will be one of the coolest series of movies ever made.
Are these annoyed viewers, non comic book fans? Because I can't see why they'd find it annoying. I've always wanted to see super hero movies that didn't act like the main character/team and their enemies were the only super powers in the world.

Even if it was just mentioning others without actually making a movie.

During Spider-Man they could easily have a newspaper article or a news clip mentioning Daredevil.


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According to IMDB's Avengers entry, she is.

I know I'm the only one geeking so hard about this aspect of it, but I absolutely love how they are intertwining all the movies together. To my knowledge, that's never been done before. It's something I always wanted to do ever since 8th grade when I read S.E. Hinton's novels The Outsiders and That Was Then, This Is Now where minor characters in one book are major players in the other.

I know some of the filmmakers like Favreau are chafing under the challenge and some viewers are starting to get annoyed at references to the other movies, but I'd love to be faced with the challenge of taking elements that are given to you and make them work within the constraints of a new story. When all is said and done, this will be one of the coolest series of movies ever made.
I figured she would be Sharon, she's unnamed in First Avenger but Avengers would be the big reveal.

Also I'm also loving how these movies are all intertwined, and how DC plans something similar after Dark Knight Rises when they reboot Batman movies, and get a hopefully good Superman movie going as well.

I listed a few posts above some of the connections the movies have:

1. Studying of the Skull's "energy ammunition" is quite likely what led Howard to start research into what becomes the arc reactor. He saw first hand the energy in action from that one fragment and thus realized what he could build to benefit humanity. As Fury states in IM2: "he was going to kick off an energy race and make the nuclear reactor look like a battery". But it's likely that the tesseract itself was too unstable/dangerous and Howard then attempts to synthesize the new element but cannot due to technology of the era not being up to the task and thus leaves his message and notes for Tony in IM 2. IM1 also has Obadiah mention how Howard helped give the world the atomic bomb, possible spin off of the research of the tesseract energy? Howard also developed the shield that Roger's uses and we see unfinished models in IM1 and IM2...possible advanced prototypes of non-vibranium shields for replacement Captain Americas?

2. The Super Soldier Serum: the unused vial gets stolen and shattered in battle between Rogers and the Hydra agent-Ratzi. So they then take a lot of blood samples from him stating that his genetic code is the sole hope of rediscovering the formula to the serum but without Erskine who knows how long it would take (Erskine in the comics never wrote the whole formula process down). We then see in 2008 Hulk that stored in deep freeze IS the super soldier serum (Erskine's name is on the storage container). So either they DID remake the serum or else very close copy of it, but still can't make it work right since the vita-rays that they used on Steve is vital to the process. Hence why Blonsky developed problems, aside from being a trained soldier-killer always looking for a fight. Tony Stark appears at the end to speak to Ross about a team being put together. There is also a deleted scene of Hulk smashing an iceberg and frozen Cap is seen in the ice but that scene doesn't count now. They could say a Hulk rampage in the arctic shifted the ice flows and caused the flying wing to resurface. Also we see in the beginning that Stark is supplying hardware for the Hulk hunt.

3. Iron Man 1: Tony makes the mini arc reactor to stay alive, it's revealed that otherwise the arc reactor has been a dead end. Nick Fury appears at the end after the credits.

4. Iron Man 2: new revelations about Howard Stark and the arc reactor, Fury tells Tony a few things about his father including how Howard helped start SHIELD. Tony then reviews the notes left behind, figures out the clues, discovers the new element and synthesizes it. His new mini reactor outperforms the old and he is free of palladium poisoning. So Howard's work is finished by Tony. Tony is then hired at the end by Fury as consultant which leads to his meeting with Ross in 2008 Hulk. Also Black Widow appears in the movie and will be an Avenger. Also teh bonus scene at the end is the hammer of THOR.

5. Captain America First Avenger: links to THOR in that the tesseract/Cosmic Cube is allegedly the jewel of ODIN's vault. Skull also sees and recognizes the picture of Yggdrasil, the world tree. Also the tesseract was hidden in Norway.

6. THOR: we see many items in ODIN's vault, no mention of the cube at the beginning but it is revealed after the credits as being in SHIELD storage all these years. Jane's mentor mentions a pioneer of gamma research that disappeared after SHIELD got ahold of him, that had to be Banner. Minor Iron Man reference when the Destroyer appears and an agent asks Coulson if Stark made it. Also Hawkeye appears.

In the comics SHIELD as I recall was formed to stop Hydra, in the movies it could be for same reason, and may also be tied to Captain America's actions in the war.


 

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Good list there.

I think going forward we'll see that Stark's "hover car" technology that was used as a cute way to introduce him will turn out to be instrumental in The Avengers as both the method by which the Helicarrier floats and how SHIELD's flying cars work. (I can see someone saying, "Not your father's Oldsmobile," as they hop in a flying car and Tony responding, "Actually, it is." Zoooom! Alternate: Tony: "Not your father's Oldsmobile." Fury: "No. It's yours.") And wouldn't the arc reactor be a great power source for something the size of the helicarrier?


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And wouldn't the arc reactor be a great power source for something the size of the helicarrier?
Not as great as the Cosmic Cube, which we've already seen powering a Giant Flying Thing. For some values of "great".


 

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Good list there.

I think going forward we'll see that Stark's "hover car" technology that was used as a cute way to introduce him will turn out to be instrumental in The Avengers as both the method by which the Helicarrier floats and how SHIELD's flying cars work. (I can see someone saying, "Not your father's Oldsmobile," as they hop in a flying car and Tony responding, "Actually, it is." Zoooom! Alternate: Tony: "Not your father's Oldsmobile." Fury: "No. It's yours.") And wouldn't the arc reactor be a great power source for something the size of the helicarrier?
Actually this brings up an interesting point: Tony Stark has had his eyes opened to all the death and destruction his weapons cause both in the right and WRONG hands, so he orders his company OUT of the weapons business. Ironically he then creates one of the greatest weapons in the form of the Iron Man armor, but there are securities to keep unauthorized personnel out of the armor. (Rhodey was authorized in IM2). But my point is this: will Tony keep the synthetic element that he created from his father's notes in IM 2 to himself?

Yes, he now can take the arc reactor to it's maximum potential and presumably give safe, clean energy to the world.....but SHOULD he? He was adamant that Obadiah not have engineers study the mini reactor in his chest in IM1, and I wonder if now his feelings have changed on the matter? He won't want it for weapons at all, but you know how the military can be about wanting the next best thing to stay ahead in the arms race. Arc reactor powered weapons would be something they'd love to have.


 

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Not as great as the Cosmic Cube, which we've already seen powering a Giant Flying Thing. For some values of "great".
The Skull was only tapping a fraction of the cube and didn't realize that it is essentially a cosmic "aladdin's lamp" as Thanos once described it. I think at the end he figured it out and the cube did give him his wish of being "one with the gods" by blasting him to who knows where.

Also that was a Giant Flying Wing that the Skull had. Lex Luthor had a similar flying wing in the Batman/Superman movie World's Finest. Luthor himself didn't use it but Joker got his hands on it....


 

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Are these annoyed viewers, non comic book fans? Because I can't see why they'd find it annoying.
I don't know their histories, but that was the scuttlebutt around Iron Man 2.

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I've always wanted to see super hero movies that didn't act like the main character/team and their enemies were the only super powers in the world. Even if it was just mentioning others without actually making a movie.
The George Clooney Batman actually had a a line of dialogue that went, "This is why Superman works alone."

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During Spider-Man they could easily have a newspaper article or a news clip mentioning Daredevil.
Spider-man was in X-Men. True story.


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