Remove the timers from the powers on the LRSF and STF
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-06-07 12:22 in Suggestions and Ideas
You probably shouldn't be the ones to grab the temp powers then.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Right. Because everyone can see into the future and tell exactly when something unpredictable is going to happen. Yep, she can tell *in advance* when she puts her kid down and he's going to sleep through the night versus wake up at some random time crying or whatnot. And I can *obviously* tell, even though there's not a cloud in the sky when we start, that not only will I have a storm going on, but THIS PARTICULAR one is going to blow a tree limb into some power lines and cut power, or lightning's going to hit. Yep, how silly of me not to know this and tell someone else to grab the temp power. |
Originally Posted by Vanden
You probably shouldn't be the ones to grab the temp powers then.
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Ever hear the saying "Better to say nothing and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt?" You should probably start considering that advice. Though it may be a bit late for you.
Are the personal attacks really necessary?
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Have you bothered actually looking at what you're saying? You have yet to tell us all how we may obtain psychic powers to KNOW we're going to be knocked offline or have something happen (that's far more important than a game - like, oh, a kid needing help) so that we may meet your incredibly stringent standards of "being able to make a commitment to a task force."
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Are the personal attacks really necessary?
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It's not an incredible burden to be able to dedicate no more than 2 hours of your time for a TF, and if you have some unpredictable thing that could cause you to need to leave, don't be the one to take the temp power.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Tell me how you can predict the unpredictable- as you yourself say in YOUR OWN REPLY - and I'll say you have a point. Not "Guess it might happen." If "Don't do something because something else might possibly have a chance to happen," well, everyone should just unsubscribe right now, since you're saying nobody who:|
Originally Posted by Vanden
It's not an incredible burden to be able to dedicate no more than 2 hours of your time for a TF, and if you have some unpredictable thing that could cause you to need to leave, don't be the one to take the temp power.
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- lives in an area with weather
- has internet access that is ever anything less than perfect 100% of the time
- has a kid (or more than one)
- has anyone living with them
- has friends that might call suddenly for help with something
- eats (because something could make you unexpectedly sick,)
- has a computer (because, yes, they do fail, in part or in whole, taking you offline for anything from minutes to days or more)
- has the potential to have any sort of medical issue (such as migranes)
... should ever take the temp power. Or go onto a task force.
Hmm. That seems to be the entire COH playerbase.
Or, you could take the advice of the saying I mentioned before and quit while you're behind.
I guess I didn't realize that you were the only one worthy of taking the temp power, and that if you had some reason to not take it then the TF muight as well disband right there, because no one else can be trusted with it.
Know what? I think I will stop posting here. Not because I've been convinced I'm wrong, but because my opponent is a hyperbolic blowhard who can't stand the idea of someone disagreeing with him.
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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Did I say it was *me* that "had to have it?"|
Originally Posted by Vanden
I guess I didn't realize that you were the only one worthy of taking the temp power, and that if you had some reason to not take it then the TF muight as well disband right there, because no one else can be trusted with it.
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No. Go ahead and show me where I said "It has to be ME that has it!" Did I say that anywhere? No. So, lacking an argument, you start making things up. Bra-vo.
YOU, chuckles, are telling people to "Predict the unpredictable" and somehow not realizing how utterly idiotic that sounds. But that's typical for you. Should expect it by now.
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| Know what? I think I will stop posting here. Not because I've been convinced I'm wrong, but because my opponent is a hyperbolic blowhard who can't stand the idea of someone disagreeing with him. |
I am perfectly capable of handling people disagreeing with me. (See also Evilgeko, who not only rarely agrees with me but gets along with me.) What I cant' stand are twits like you who make ridiculous demands (such as, oh, being able to predict the future) and somehow think they're being reasonable. Or sane. But that's typical of your posting, as well.
Stopping your posting is the first smart thing you've done in this thread.
I never said you should predict the future. Your putting words in my mouth is a classic strawman argument.
What I said was that you are in a situation where something can happen that you can't predict but it happens enough to be a concern, you should not take the temp power. Ever. That doesn't mean "take it when you know your unpredictable thing won't happen."
Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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So you didn't say I should be able to predict the unpredictable, which by its own definition cannot be predicted?|
Originally Posted by Vanden
I never said you should predict the future. Your putting words in my mouth is a classic strawman argument.
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Oh, wait, yes you did.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
and if you have some unpredictable thing that could cause you to need to leave, don't be the one to take the temp power.
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Funny you whining about "putting words in your mouth" (which I didn't do) when you did precisely that, thinking it was fine:
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| I guess I didn't realize that you were the only one worthy of taking the temp power, and that if you had some reason to not take it then the TF muight as well disband right there, because no one else can be trusted with it. |
Hypocrite.
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| What I said was that you are in a situation where something can happen that you can't predict but it happens enough to be a concern, you should not take the temp power. Ever. That doesn't mean "take it when you know your unpredictable thing won't happen." |
Same with storms - for a good part of the year, we'll get storms daily. They can come up suddenly, and be anything from light rain to tornadoes, and no storm is exactly like the other. Should I assume the "unpredictable" is going to happen and just unsubscribe for a few months? That's the standard YOU are putting forward. "Oh, it may happen, even though it hasn't in weeks, I shouldn't take the temp - even though it's not storming right now."
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| "take it when you know your unpredictable thing won't happen." |
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Originally Posted by dictionary.com
un·pre·dict·a·ble
[uhn-pri-dik-tuh-buhl] Show IPA –adjective 1. not predictable; not to be foreseen or foretold: an unpredictable occurrence. –noun 2. something that is unpredictable: the unpredictables of life. |
Here, Vanden. Sit down, read slowly if you have to. You obviously need to learn what unpredictable means.
Not unpredictable (aka, "Predictable") - higher chance of occuring:
"Hey, guys, little kid's been sick this week, I might have to leave in a hurry."
"Ok."
(In this instance, it's perfectly fine to say "Then don't take the temp power.")
UNpredictable - that which you're saying we should be able to see into the future and guess can happen:
"Hey, kid's asleep. He's been out cold all week, it's been nice."
Hour later:
"BRB, heard a crash and the kid's crying - OMG, he's throwing up and bleeding, got to run!"
(In this instance, there's NO WAY OF KNOWING - aka, it's UNpredictable - that that would have happened.)
Do you see the difference? Still think we should be able to tell in advance and "just not take the temp power?"
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Originally Posted by Vanden
What I said was that you are in a situation where something can happen that you can't predict but it happens enough to be a concern, you should not take the temp power. Ever. That doesn't mean "take it when you know your unpredictable thing won't happen."
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This...I...
Bill already destroyed the logic in this post, but still...
Just plain ridiculous.
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My internet connection isn't perfect. Should I never take any glowies, or in fact join any tf's, just in case it happens to go down and inconveniencing my team? Because the stability of an internet connection is, by definition, unpredictable. There is no way to guarantee a connection you receive from an ISP.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
It's not an incredible burden to be able to dedicate no more than 2 hours of your time for a TF, and if you have some unpredictable thing that could cause you to need to leave, don't be the one to take the temp power.
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And this is just talking about unforeseen computer internet connection problems. Who knows what kind of medical emergencies might come up (choking, asthma, diabetes issues)...
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Know what? I think I will stop posting here. Not because I've been convinced I'm wrong
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Thre is absolutely no reason that the temporary powers on the STF/LRSF should penalize you for those things.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
My internet connection isn't perfect. Should I never take any glowies, or in fact join any tf's, just in case it happens to go down and inconveniencing my team? Because the stability of an internet connection is, by definition, unpredictable. There is no way to guarantee a connection you receive from an ISP.
And this is just talking about unforeseen computer internet connection problems. Who knows what kind of medical emergencies might come up (choking, asthma, diabetes issues)... |
okay, to try to calm things down and play a bit of Devil's Advocate here: What Vaden is trying to say is that if these sorts of things happen with regularity, than you should let the one who's not so regularly prone to failure take the temp power.
The problem with this is that Vaden doesn't seem to realize (heck, a lot of us don't seem to remember) what we're talking about and dealing with is not consistent failures, but outliners and the statistical phenomenon known as the "Freak Accident". On an individual level, these are rare enough, but when you have that statistic expanded to include the thousands who play this game, and even the developers themselves (emergency maintenance or game breaking bugs, anyone?), it becomes a much more frequent occurrence, and it can happen at anywhere, at anytime, without warning or preamble.
So this is not simply a Quality of Life Fix for those who regularly have problems, but a Quality of Life insurance for the one in a million anomalies that can pop up.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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If it occurs with regularity, it is not an "unpredictable" occurrence. Which he seemed to not be able to get through his head, no matter how many bricks and sledgehammers I tried to use to assist with the operation. |
Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
okay, to try to calm things down and play a bit of Devil's Advocate here: What Vaden is trying to say is that if these sorts of things happen with regularity, than you should let the one who's not so regularly prone to failure take the temp power.
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Personally, now that I've had time to reflect on his arguement, I'm thinking that he just chose the wrong word.
Instead of unpredictable...perhaps he actually meant...well, something predictable, but uncertain. Like you know you have a shaky connection, but you hope for the best.
Either way, the way he's arguing isn't exactly playing devils advocate (I play that a lot myself)--it's going "nyah nyah nyah I'm right you're wrong" to a fix that wouldn't hurt anyone or make things any easier. It just removes a chance for failure that cannot be helped, slotted for, or protected against with buffs.
It also helps the STF and LRSF to be less time-consuming. It would also allow for people to play through on their own time, because not everyone wants to sit down for X amount of hours either. Being able to do it over a couple days would still make it challenging, but it would also make it less of rushed process.
Strange, I don't recall seeing that on the requirements for the game.
One of my best friends has a two year old. She can, at any point - including after the kid's "asleep in bed" - have to suddenly get up to take care of him.
I live in Florida. We have storms and power/internet outages. Yes, I have a battery backup - for about 5 minutes worth of time.
So tell me, oh mister "certain level of commitment," where do we go to change reality so those things don't happen, even when we set aside the time?