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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Well, I'd quibble with that. I've only recently been able to get together a whole set of Purples for characters I'm leveling, and even then, it's not the more expensive damage sets. I'm definitely not going to get some of those billion+ PvP IOs, even if I'd like the 3% res one on Grey Pilgrim.
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Obtaining a Shield Wall: +3% resistance may not be the most efficient use of your time, especially if have alts to feed. This isn't a case of you can't afford to get them. You've consciously made the choice not to put forth the time and effort needed to acquire one. There is nothing wrong with that choice; many min/max-ers would make the exact same choice.
My gripe is with folks who claim they cannot afford IOs and thus are incapable of any form of min/max build. If you play CoH, you have time to make a min/max build.
The great thing about CoH is that you don't have to. I respect players right to chose not to min/max. I can appreciate that said players would not welcome discussions regarding min/max builds. A lengthy debate over the be-all-end-all defense soft cap myth in a channel set up for badge discussion isn't cool. Having a channel set up for this is.
Never mind the advantages of having a channel where there is a general consensus of what a speed run is; it saves a lot of aggravation and unnecessary animosity.
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I just have a hard time figureing out the right way to min/max alts. Some things are obvious, but almost all of the set combos require you giving up somethng to get something else. Many depend entirely on how you want to play in order to be effective. It is rare to see a "min/max" build in the player help sections that everyone agrees on.
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Which is clearly LOLable, because in addition to the yearly auction (just for funding Victory events), I fund PERC (on Victory and other servers) for over 10 billion a year in inf and IOs. (For just Memory Lane I put out well over 2 bill in IOs and 1.5ish in straight up inf)|
Quote: Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim  Wait... how is asking questions and using the joking smiley face calling someone out now?  So confused (in case anyone was confused by that smiley as well, heh).It sounded like you were accusing MP of using PERC personally to bank-roll Min-Max builds. |
I of course knew what GP meant, but I did laugh when two different people came to me concerned.
And now on topic: After Hami Tonight I am thinking about a speed Kahn into ITF into (maybe) Baracuda. I hate Baracuda, but... I'm willing to try it hard core style.
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Since PERC events usually involve lots of people winning prizes of inf, etc., FROM PERC (of which MP is just a part of) that's... kind of a weird direction to go. The Memory Lane contest alone gave out a ton of stuff to what... 25-30 people? And they do that kind of thing all the time... I don't really think of PERC as some nasty hoarder of money (or using it for their own purposes), but a player event committee that does fun events and hands out prizes like they are candy.|
Originally Posted by Major_Force
It sounded like you were accusing MP of using PERC personally to bank-roll Min-Max builds.
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Anyway, I would not have thought my original statement would be construed as it was. I had no idea I had such a mean reputation around here!
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Originally Posted by Desmodos
My gripe is with folks who claim they cannot afford IOs and thus are incapable of any form of min/max build. If you play CoH, you have time to make a min/max build.
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But yes, if anyone ever posts that IOs take too much work or they can't afford them, I point out that this really isn't true. Anyone can stock up merits and get a lot of inf from selling an expensive IO, and they can get those merits from playing content that they enjoy.
If they just don't want to be bothered with them, I can certainly understand that, as you said.
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Originally Posted by Major_Force
I just have a hard time figureing out the right way to min/max alts. Some things are obvious, but almost all of the set combos require you giving up somethng to get something else. Many depend entirely on how you want to play in order to be effective. It is rare to see a "min/max" build in the player help sections that everyone agrees on.
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And of course, other types of approaches can work great as well. If you team a lot, I've seen people advocate not even bothering with some defense on squishies. I'd say defense helps no matter what, but they've said they enjoy it quite a bit. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by Madame Pistacio
Which is clearly LOLable, because in addition to the yearly auction (just for funding Victory events), I fund PERC (on Victory and other servers) for over 10 billion a year in inf and IOs. (For just Memory Lane I put out well over 2 bill in IOs and 1.5ish in straight up inf)
I of course knew what GP meant, but I did laugh when two different people came to me concerned. And now on topic: After Hami Tonight I am thinking about a speed Kahn into ITF into (maybe) Baracuda. I hate Baracuda, but... I'm willing to try it hard core style. |
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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That perception is rather silly. Min/Maxing existed in CoH prior to the introduction of IOs. IOs simply raised the bar in potential, complexity and variety. Never mind that Purple IOs are actually detrimental to some builds.
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Well, I think most people have the idea that min/max requires Purples and PVP IOs, or something, which are much harder for a player to come by.
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Originally Posted by Desmodos
That perception is rather silly. Min/Maxing existed in CoH prior to the introduction of IOs. IOs simply raised the bar in potential, complexity and variety. Never mind that Purple IOs are actually detrimental to some builds.
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A lot of people say/think things about min/maxxers that may or may not be true. I know that what I can build for with my Scrappers is usually not what people on the Scrappers go for, so I know there are different ideas about min/maxxing among good players, too.Anyway, it's a common issue. I'm still trying to work on a more expensive build (or two) to put on my guide, but the person that originally asked for one basically asked for a Purpled out build, which I pointed out may not help out that much, especially for a Fiery Aura Tank. Upping Grey Pilgrim's resists and defenses has done a lot more for him than more recharge, for instance.
Heh, this is why I tell my students to define terms they use in their papers. Even things like "gun control" can have a lot of different meanings to different people.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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I play with Mids more than I do CoH. If you ever need help with anything (or anyone needs help, for that matter), I'm more than willing to help put some things together with any sort of constraints you may have (no purples, no pvps, supercheap, hp capped, softcapped, BBQ recharge, no travel, 3 travels, etc) for just about any build you can think of. |
Originally Posted by Major_Force
I just have a hard time figureing out the right way to min/max alts. Some things are obvious, but almost all of the set combos require you giving up somethng to get something else. Many depend entirely on how you want to play in order to be effective. It is rare to see a "min/max" build in the player help sections that everyone agrees on.
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We just had a discussion about this sort of thing (proper min/maxing) on the scrapper forums a few days ago, and Arcana wrote a good way of thinking about the process:
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The best strategy I find for using Mids to make strong builds is to think in terms of threshold targets. Most strong builds try to get at least X of something, and then as much of something else as possible. For example, if you are making a defensive build, the goal is usually to try to reach a little more than the soft-cap - 45% defense, and then get as much something else as possible: recharge for an offensively minded build or something with click defenses, or regeneration if you're going for a very strong defensive build say.
If you find you cannot reach the target you pick, you scale the target back and try again: if you have a mitigation set that does not specialize in defense but you want as much avoidance as possible, you might try building for 45% defense to some types of attacks - all melee attacks, or all smash/lethal attacks for example. Alternatively, you might decide to aim for 32.5% defense to all types, thinking that one small purple inspiration will then get you to the soft cap (small luck inspirations are +12.5% defense). It can be overwhelming to try to get as much bonuses as possible in every direction. Try to focus on what you want the build to be good at, and then slowly add capability to that core specialty. It takes practice, but that's what Mids is good for: practice. |
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
I hate to be the bringer of bad news... but Willpower sucks!!! you're better off rolling a regen
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^Professional Katana/regen build thread
Funnily enough, leveling a tri-form Kheldian was a good crash course in building for me. As you level a tri-form, it's actually better to focus on one form at a time, or your effectiveness goes way down from spreading your slots too thin over a lot of things. A lot of little things from IOs probably isn't too helpful, but a big thing (like def cap or much higher defenses) can really turn things around.
Arcana captured that well in that quote.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
Really cool idea, MP! I'll be joining, hope to see you guys in there 
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While some builds purples are very helpful (such as a perma-dom), I have never found them necessary to a min/max build, and have roughly 10 50s that I consider having min/max builds. Two of them have purple builds, that took me a LONG time to fund, but that was by choice, the rest of them I find to be just as fun and amazing, but in different ways. Even if it is just something like "I built this fire/psy blaster to do nothing but cone attacks, he already does great damage, but his endurance cannot keep up, focus the build around end and recharge" can be min/maxing.
Heck, two of my favorite characters that I consider min/maxed would actually suffer from purples. My stone/mace tank, who is built to be able to handle Lord Recluse with as little outside help as possible, and my kin/ice defender, who has all the attacks slotted to slow instead of deal damage.
Anyway, while not a fan of speed runs usually, I am willing to do them once in a while, and I LOVE talking min/max, so I will definitely be joining! 
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This sounds great! I am back after 6 months and like the sound of this so that I can catch up and learn all that is new! See you online!
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Without the drama how will I sell all the t-shirts I had printed up? The Team Pistacio ones are green with pink writing. The Team Pilgrim ones are grey with a slightly different shade of grey writing.
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Originally Posted by Madame Pistacio
No drama, no BS! Though maybe a tf competition would be fun!
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Originally Posted by Mr_Morbid
Without the drama how will I sell all the t-shirts I had printed up? The Team Pistacio ones are green with pink writing. The Team Pilgrim ones are grey with a slightly different shade of grey writing.
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Darn, I miss those days. Myth II is still one of my favorite strategy games ever... it and Myth had awesome storylines. Too bad Bungie became the house of Halo and Halo alone after that.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
They don't have Halo anymore...so you never know
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Electric-Boogaloo (Electric/Psy Dominator) | Floating Flame (Fire/Psy Blaster) | Guldo Golem (Stone/Mace Tanker) | Hornak (Elec/Elec Brute) | Insatiable Greed (Demon/Dark Mastermind) | Solar Explorer (Plant/Thermal Controller) | TimeTraveler (Kin/Ice Defender) | Verranil (Emp/Archery Defender)
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MP!!!!! You have to me let join this! I want to hear the screams.
 Anyhow, looking for a CoP... doh! |
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I guess Mental was just promoted.
And that annoys me too
I've already forgotten about most of you
Sounds interesting. Only recently started on Victory and yet to set on something to level. Will keep an eye on the channel though.
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As a great Kick Off to Victory Limitless... we'll be running Apexmagegrey (that's Apex, Tin-Mage, and Lady Grey Task forces) Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday all at 9pm est. This is a great chance for 154 merits (lgtf is the WST) in an hour (give or take).
Also I am running an event through PERC that is pretty hard core: Iron-Man ITF Race!
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Holy carp... I'm in for Wednesday. My E^3 Blaster loves this idea.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
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Also I am running an event through PERC that is pretty hard core: Iron-Man ITF Race!
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GP- I challenge you. I got my green t-shirt with pink writing ready!
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Make a better looking Shepard in ME2 then this:
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