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It's not a high DPS chain, but Katana's two Divine Avalanche chain fires 8 attacks in 10.43 seconds. How long does the debuff last? Same 10.25 seconds as Achilles' Heel? How fast are the fire ticks?|
Originally Posted by firespray
I doubt anyone's going to be able to keep all 6 DoTs stacked on a target by themselves and run a high-DPS attack chain at the same time. Claws would come close with FU/Focus/Slash, but I don't think it could quite get there.
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Also, I'm running Death Shroud on my Katana/Dark. That ticks every 2 seconds, and my understanding is that every tick gets a chance to proc instead of every 10 seconds. If so, and if the debuff lasts for the 10.25 seconds, I'm getting about 13 attacks in the debuff window.
Ah, there's the duration, at least quoted from Arcanaville from an old post, 10 seconds for radial. Close enough.
Let's see, how do I calculate my average debuff? Well, since I can't do maths and I'm also lazy, I'm ignoring the cap for the moment. So over simplistically, that's 13 * 25% * 2.5% = 8.125%. It's probably a little less in practice since there's a reasonable chance of the cap applying now and then. So let's say my average debuff is around 7.5%. With a maximum of 10%, I don't see any reason for me to be using the reactive core. It's not worth trading all that DoT for another 2.5% debuff.
As for how much the DoT will be stacked, I don't know how fast the ticks come, so can't really say, and the 20% chance of cancel each tick lowers the overlap further. Still, seems like there's a good chance I'll have a lot of them stacked with a 75% chance of each and a very fast rate of chances to proc. Thank you, damage aura.
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You know, seeing numbers written out that way I just got hit by how good damage auras have it with Interface. 75% chance to proc for about 50ish damage, every time the aura ticks, it's almost like the base damage of these powers doubled overnight.
This is nice for scrappers ; now there's a good reason to go with damage auras for damage, rather than just stick with an aggro aura that allowed for more damage by keeping mobs in melee range all the time.
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Don't you need incarnate shards in order to get threads?
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Originally Posted by Werner
Yeah, I have a tier 1 interface and haven't even unlocked the others. Only one character. But I haven't been playing much, honestly.
I don't think it's any secret how you do it fast, though. Just run the trials over and over with a good group. Bam bam bam. Being rich can speed it up even further, though it seems unnecessary, and the prices seem kind of ridiculously high. |
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Not so far as I know. You can convert shards to threads, but it's only the threads (and salvage) that you need.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
Don't you need incarnate shards in order to get threads?
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Finally have a T3 Barrier Partial Core Invocation slotted. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet.
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Another thing to consider is that if I'm up against an EB or AV, would Diamagnetic stack enough -ToHit on them to make a reasonable difference? What kind of -ToHit debuff resistance does an AV have?
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
Depends on your playstyle.
As a Scrapper, you have the luxury of allowing someone else to take aggro and alpha's - even if that's not really fun (to me anyway). Unfortunately as BS, one of your best tricks (Parry) is useless for the most part as the worst the iTrials have to offer is all Ranged, Energy & Psi (all of which also pack debuffs). If you really must have the survivability, then Diamagnetic is the best option, but unless you can frequently apply it with AoEs - I'm not sure there is much point. You might almost be better off with shadow meld, as crazy as that sounds. The devs have gone out of their way to crush the power of normal softcapped DEF without added buffs/debuffs/insps/resistance, etc in the iTrials. It's still useful, but unless you have something to back it up, its not going to provide the kind of protection you've been used to at regular game softcap. |
A level 50 AV has 85% resistance to -ToHit. Diamagnetic is 5% base per stack(?), so that's .75% after resistance, or 3% with 4 stacks. 3.33%, if you're +1 to the AV from your level shift.
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It's not the AVs that will kill you (well, they can) on the iTrials.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
A level 50 AV has 85% resistance to -ToHit. Diamagnetic is 5% base per stack(?), so that's .75% after resistance, or 3% with 4 stacks. 3.33%, if you're +1 to the AV from your level shift.
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For the AV fights, you generally have an entire team, if not the entire league, at your back.
It's when you are running off on small teams that I think the -To Hit would be valuable, to help you hit a 'false softcap' against large groups with enemies.
I'm not advocating it, I'd prefer to just use Barrier and any insps I have on hand.
But it's a thought I suppose.
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You get Thread drops on the trials. More importantly, you get Astral Merits, each of which you can convert into four threads. If you get an unneeded Uncommon salvage (which happens a lot), you can convert it into 8-10 Threads. You get more Astral Merits the more objectives your league completes, including badge objectives. This makes the BAF much friendlier for crafting progress - once I get all my Physical iXP unlocked by running Lambda, I prefer running the BAF for components.
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Originally Posted by Santorican
Don't you need incarnate shards in order to get threads?
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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While true, I have found on average that my final reward on Lambda is generally better than on BAF.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
This makes the BAF much friendlier for crafting progress - once I get all my Physical iXP unlocked by running Lambda, I prefer running the BAF for components.
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My Brutes usually end up with uncommons on BAF, and Rares on Lambda.
I haven't taken any of my Scrappers through yet, so YMMV.
Now that one of my Brutes has T4 Destiny, Interface & Judgement - I will be running Lambda's repeatedly to try for the only thing I need at this point - Very Rares.
I need 1 for T4 pets, and I would like 2 more VR iSalvage so I can craft alternate T4 Destiny & Interface powers.
Sorry for the off-topic post.
Yeah, that gets into the (seemingly ***-tacular) "participation system" that the trials have. I didn't plan to deviate into that here.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
Not a Scrapper... but thought I put my 2 cents down.
I went with Dimagetic for the 100% To Hit Debuff/50% Reg Debuff.
The To Hit Debuff is FANTASTIC in a Damage Aura. My Standard lead off into a group is Footstomp. Run in and Bam.. between the 2 AoEs Everything around me suddenly has 2 Stacks of to Hit Debuff. By the time they even try to fight back.
I am thinking I might make the reactive one just for when I solo content I dont need maxium tankage for the added dot. I watched a Spines/FA melt the a door in BAF due to the double damage aura's and Proc Dots. It was pretty crazy.
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Regarding the Reactive Radial vs Core - your mileage may vary slightly if you have a damage aura. There is no way I am taking my fire/fire scrapper the Core route if all I end up doing is an extra 10% (disregarding resists) of damage vs all that wonderful fire damage. I wouldn't be surprised if radial tier 4 stacks the -res easily with attacking and using a damage aura. The radial should be doing more damage vs core.
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Yep, on a DoT heavy build radial easily caps out the -res. A power set that doesnt have a lot of DoT might not be able to get -res to 4 but still likely does a lot more dmg.
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Originally Posted by JayboH
Regarding the Reactive Radial vs Core - your mileage may vary slightly if you have a damage aura. There is no way I am taking my fire/fire scrapper the Core route if all I end up doing is an extra 10% (disregarding resists) of damage vs all that wonderful fire damage. I wouldn't be surprised if radial tier 4 stacks the -res easily with attacking and using a damage aura. The radial should be doing more damage vs core.
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I took diamagnetic on my DM/DA brute. Its -tohit stacks with Dark's native -tohit rather nicely. That being said I don't have exact numbers.
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Grrr... now im torn on my DM/SR, attack chain is MG, Smite, SL, Smite - which is reasonably high, but its also quick enough that I still may be able to max out the -rez. I know we're limiting the scope of discussion to AV's, but *in general* where DoT over long-term isnt as important and most things are being taken out in 2-3 hits the quick stacking of fire is quite practical. Thoughts?
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I wouldn't want to run that chain. It does less DPS than MG SM SL SM, and the extra survivability offered by using SL more often is nowhere near the survivability you'd get by using Rebirth +regen rather than Ageless.
In my experience, the -Tohit from Diamagnetic is a nice power for survivability, but the -Regen is just a joke for fighting AVs. Fighting Ms. Liberty, (solo, SS/EA brute, she was lvl51) at best the -Regen was stacking at about -.07. Not enough to make a dent. The Envenomed Dagger temp power is more effective.
I haven't started into Reactive yet, but unless they make Diamagnetic more effective I think I'll have to once I've unlocked my first Barrier.
For example, Claws vs. Warmace.
I doubt anyone's going to be able to keep all 6 DoTs stacked on a target by themselves and run a high-DPS attack chain at the same time. Claws would come close with FU/Focus/Slash, but I don't think it could quite get there.