Add a "Decrease Rarity" Option for Trial Reward Tables
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-04-10 11:34 in Suggestions and Ideas
Heh, I've got...one Uncommon roll? ALL the rest have been freaking commons, which are the least of my worries given how easy they are to get with threads 
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Sure you weren't inspired by this thread?
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Count yourself lucky, commons are what you need the most of. Getting Uncommon at the end is almost an unreward since you'll get the 8 you need to make Very Rares in all four pools easily over the number of runs you need to max out your four chosen powers. You can't even break them down into enough to make a common.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Heh, I've got...one Uncommon roll? ALL the rest have been freaking commons, which are the least of my worries given how easy they are to get with threads
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
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Whoops, did not see that. Clearly it's a case of great minds thinking alike.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
Sure you weren't inspired by this thread?
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I hate that saying. Great minds don't think alike. Progress is by great minds that goes against what common thinking dictates. Einstein had a great mind by not thinking like his peers.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Whoops, did not see that. Clearly it's a case of great minds thinking alike.
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Can always convert uncommon components to rare and very rare components. Need 4 uncommons to make a rare and 16 uncommons to make a very rare. Only problem is that you need a 100 threads and 100 million inf to make a rare and 400 threads and 800 million inf to make a very rare just based on uncommon drops.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
I hate that saying. Great minds don't think alike. Progress is by great minds that goes against what common thinking dictates. Einstein had a great mind by not thinking like his peers.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
Can always convert uncommon components to rare and very rare components. Need 4 uncommons to make a rare and 16 uncommons to make a very rare. Only problem is that you need a 100 threads and 100 million inf to make a rare and 400 threads and 800 million inf to make a very rare just based on uncommon drops.
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The idea is that you create your rare or very rare with Empyrean Merits and you craft another one with uncommons, threads, and inf. Of course, there is the chance that someone is really lucky and is able to get the very rares and rares through just the reward table.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
The thing is by the time I get sufficient threads to do that conversion (taking into account that I'm having to spend threads on common components) I likely have enough E. Merits for a rare anyway.
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Eh, I don't think you need to be really lucky. I have a Very Rare in all four of my main's new incarnate slots, and I didn't get anywhere near enough threads or Empyreans to craft my own Rare or Very Rare components; I got them all from trial end tables. Someone who runs their trials over the course of a few weeks might get enough Empyreans to make a few Rares of their own (most of the Empyreans I would've earned through trial completion were downgraded to Astrals because I ran the same trials multiple times in one day), but making Very Rares is only there for the extremely unlucky; You would truly have to have execrable luck to get no Very Rare reward tables in the time it took you to assemble the needed components for one Very Rare component.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
The idea is that you create your rare or very rare with Empyrean Merits and you craft another one with uncommons, threads, and inf. Of course, there is the chance that someone is really lucky and is able to get the very rares and rares through just the reward table.
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
Warning: This poster likes to play Devil's Advocate.
Thing is, commons are so easy to craft with even one BAFs worth of AMerits and natural drops. Rares and V.Rares on the other hand require an extortionate ammount of EmpMerits. I know which one I'd rather have drop
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I'm not all that interested in working towards Very Rares at the moment, but have gotten Very Rares quicker than Rares. Not to mention Rares are inherently more valuable since you need two to make a Very Rare in the first place.
So yes, a way to downgrade rarity, whether inside the drop table or via the Convert tab would be lovely.
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While commons are easy to make, I have to agree with the OP. On my brute I got 4 very rares, 12 rares, about the same uncommons and 3 commons. I never had to craft anything except commons and it seems a bit unfair that if I don't need that uncommon and need something that is supposed to be of lesser value I am unable to exchange it.
Ok this was inspired by this thread:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=257371
The current trial reward tables seem to be heavily slanted towards uncommon components. This is a problem since you don't actually need that many uncommon components unless you are doing the "buy rares with inf" option.
For someone planning to use Empyrean Merits to get their rare/very rare components (or who got lucky on drops) uncommon components are less useful than commons. Therefore I propose that a new option be added to the reward tables (primarily the uncommon table but it could feasibly be added to the other tables.
This option would replace the current reward table with one of a lower rarity. In effect changing the final reward option from "you must select this rarity" to "you must select this rarity or lower".