Allow IO alchemy

You said:
I'm just showing how they aren't that rare, and can be impacting. Giving me options that would take up more slots shows how useful the OPs suggestion could be. It's nothing personal. Why do you think I'd be talking about a 1-slot situation?

If you'd already reached the ED cap for damage and had more than enough accuracy for the power, then throwing in Acc/End/Rech wouldn't provide as much end/rech as the IO hybrid. At the same time, if in the same example you use Dam/Rech and Dam/End set pieces to produce the effect, then you've lost a slot somewhere else. Sure, the rech and end numbers will be a little higher, but the overall gain of an extra slot has a lot more potential.

You may not consider it noticeable impact, but I imagine many would disagree.

My argument is that many min/maxers have their own preferred min/max numbers right now because the current system (without something like IO alchemy) won't let them get to the one "perfect" optimal build. Because the holy grail is impossible we have some diversity, even among min/maxers.

But if we had a system where we didn't have to make build compromises because we had a means to "smooth" over the shortfalls with perfectly designed custom IOs then I suspect we would be led down a road where there would be less diversity amongst builds in general. Why would people be motivated to make unique builds when an "optimal" build could handle any situation?

Basically the idea behind IO alchemy only serves to circumvent the natural "rough edges" in the system that forces us to make compromises. IO alchemy probably would not break the game and unlike what Carnifax_NA I don't really think it's an issue of being "too powerful". I simply believe it would do much to encourage cookie-cutter builds which in and of itself is not really desirable in a game like this.

And like others I'm not even going to really dwell on how hard this would probably be to implement by the Devs, assuming they actually liked this idea. *shrugs*

If you're at the ED cap for damage you could have just used less damage IO's. Seriously, give me an example of an over one-slotted power where this IO combination idea would be significantly beneficial.

I gave you about 4 of them based on in-game experiences over the last few months when Frankenslotting

Replace a Dam/Recharge with a Dam/Range HO(it's cheap IIRC) or a Posi IO and slot a Recharge IO in the 5th slot.


Not really an example.

Not very useful. You already have more than enough Endmod in there to counteract nuke -recovery.

How expensive is the Mez/Acc HO? Can't check ingame atm. 3 Acc/Mez/Rech , a Recharge IO, and a Mez/Acc HO should do the trick, and if it's not an option a Mez/Acc IO should suffice.

having a bit more options for Shiver might be nice, but I never found more than just end reduction needed on snow storm. I remember a thread about making an end reduction intesnsive slow set, and that would be far easier to implement than IO alchemy.

I don't slot HOs, they're too expensive, and more importantly none of the examples cited are level 50. I don't actually HAVE any 50s US side

The entire reason I like this idea is that they complement the idea of Frankenslotting, cheap IOs (in other words not Posi's Blast for example, they're sought after and too expensive) and certainly not HOs.

I get you wouldn't see it as useful for your situation given the fact you're suggesting HOs as an alternative. But they aren't suitable for someone levelling and struggling with slot distribution. That's where I see this system being a useful option, for slot-tight, levelling builds, not level 50s with a lot of cash to spend on one character.

Do you really want the devs to create an entire new system of combining IO's, when you could just do some tip missions/TF's/mission arcs/etc, and make more than enough influence to afford something like a low level posi dam/range? If you want a more optimized character, you have to invest more. It's as simple as that.

Yes, yes I do.

There's been no change in how you can slot enhancements in 6 issues now. This new system is simple and should be straight forward (allowing for SCR) to implement compared to Set IOs.

You can slot any 5 Crushing Impacts and hit the ED cap. All of them have a damage component. But as previously admitted, you're still capable of producing the same numbers from an added Acc/Rech/End enhancement as a Rech/End Combo.

No, a Set IO would always outperform a same-level Combined Common IO. If a Set IO affects two things their total will be 125% that of a Common IO, if 3 it's 150% and 4 is 166% (I think, I always forget that bit).

It's possible that this IO alchemy thing might be "relatively easier" to implement now that we already have the set IO system in place. But I think this would still be a far cry from being a trivial addition to the game for all sorts of reasons.

The potential problems associated with this idea simply outweigh the potential benefits. Again it's not question of being "overpowered", it's more a question of smoothing over a game mechanic that I believe the Devs actually consider important. I believe the Devs want us to have to compromise for build choices and not have "perfectly shaped" custom IOs available to fill in all the gaps in our build designs. The "rough edges" are part of the game and encourage build diversity.

Basically IO alchemy is a fix for a "problem" that really isn't a problem. *shrugs*

Yes and no. Set IO to Combined IO comparisons would of course always be correct. But,if you've ED'd (yes, I made up a verb) aspects of the triple IO being used, then in the example I gave, the combo IO gives you the same boost as the two un-ED'd aspects of the triple IO. These instances would be rare though, and at high levels, the triple would provide more.

This is just splitting hairs though, so don't take that as me being argumentative.

The fact that you don't see it as a problem doesn't mean that others agree with you. Ultimately it's up to the devs to decide if it's worth it, after all.

Can you give me a less slippery-slope argument against the idea than 'builds will be less rough'? Some example of specific powers in your builds that would be better or more efficiently slotted with this? If you can't come up with any, then are you certain that you're not jumping at shadows?