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I swear all the time on teams, or in tells, with people I know.
I don't swear in broadcast as a general rule, though I HAVE slipped up a couple times and swore in the wrong channel.
Being a Teen rated game, I assume anything more than you would hear in a PG-13 movie would be crossing a line as far as the GMs are concerned. Broadcast F-bombs will get you reprimanded for sure (speaking from experience here)
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My mother always said it was the intention of the word, not the word itself. So screaming at my sister, "Shut the freaking door!" was just as punishable as the word it was replacing. It showed a lack of respect.
She also felt that cussing could be appropriate...I never got in trouble for yelling an expletive for stubbing my toe, or accidentally hitting my thumb with a hammer.
She also had an extreme distaste for violence of any kind. She was middle-aged before she began to appreciate action movies.
I understand the "European" perspective, and the American attitude towards language, sexuality, and violence seems a bit strange to me even though I've been here my entire life.
to the OP, in a purely RP atmosphere, this is a great way to work it in a non offensive manner ...
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I don't know much about the man outside of Shining Time Station. I'm aware that he was a comedian, yes, but wasn't the point of his famous bit making fun of profanity in itself? That's sort of metaprofanity. Like burning down a house to protest arson--there are extenuating circumstances.
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Hehe, ah, I honestly thought you might be more familiar with him and/or a fan

No, that famous bit (I imagine you're talking about the "Seven Words You Can't Say On Television", which he later added more to, hehe) was actually mocking not just censorship, but the very notion of how simple words are somehow deemed "bad".
However, that single bit wasn't my point of focus. He was just a rather famous example of a very intelligent person that used many words some consider "bad".
For myself, I just don't buy into words being bad in and of themselves (As curse words purely are held as, by some).
Defamatory, demeaning or abusive words... I cannot support.
The notion, that words that are not attacking anyone and just simply exist in some people's minds as taboo, is just silly to me.
Body parts, sex, excrement... These aren't concepts we need to hide from anyone.
They are things people need to understand and be respectful about, perhaps, but labeling some words as ones that only adults can use, but not children, just does the opposite of teaching respect.
And being afraid or ashamed of certain words is a comical affair with irrationality that I find somewhat amusing to observe.
All that said... I understand the general consensus of the society I live within. That doesn't, however, stop me from having my own opinion on it and handling things differently than others might like.
Not all of this was directed squarely at you, Dumple (If much any of it at all). I'm just babbling a bit and explaining myself a bit.
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Personally Dump I think it's more a sign that the individuals in question lack maturity when they feel they need to express themselves constantly with profuse amounts of profanity.
(I say this because when I see the words "intellectual inadequacy" I'm thinking it refers to people with lower IQ's. If I'm wrong I apologize.) I believe there are appropriate times when vulgarity is ok. For example if someone were to come up to you and say, "Hey how would you like to go to the local prison, get naked, and play some soap soccer with the inmates?" Sure you could say, a. "I'm sorry but I won't be joining you. Thanks so much for asking. I appreciate the invitation, but I've checked my schedule and it turns out, unfortunately that I'm unavailable." Or you could say, b. "F*** off!" Sure the first response is more polite but it lacks the visceral impact the second response expresses. |
I'd be more inclined to choose choice "A"... without the "appreciate the invitation" and the "unfortunately" parts.

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I'm a roleplayer - and a rogue/villain that doesn't even use the f-word strikes me as silly. |
That being said, in private communication channels with your friends and/or SG-mates who are all okay with foul language, knock yourself out. Just understand that if someone DOES get offended, they can report you and you will receive a warning ( Or suspension if you've had multiple warnings already )
But, being a villain/rogue doesn't automatically mean you're a potty-mouth.
Don't even start that. Yes, there's a filter. Same as in most every other MMO out there. It has zero impact on the profanity rules in those games, why would anyone think this one would be any different? The filter is there to catch "slips" or to have the option of blocking seeing those who do choose to ignore the rules. The fact that it's optional, however, is irrelevant. It's imperfect and catches completely innocent words/phrases, so there's the option to turn it off. Turning it off does not mean that the person wants to see kids swearing enough to make a sailor blush, though.

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If people wish to swear like a sailor in an online game where plenty of other people can see (including moderators) regardless, I believe the idiom it's your funeral comes to mind. :3
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Honestly, I haven't quite figured out why there's a togglable profanity filter if it's against the ToS to cuss in the first place. If it wasn't togglable then I could see it working with the ToS, as then the only way to cuss would be through bypassing it. As it stands though, they give you the option to cuss and see other's cussing, if you'd like to. Now that just doesn't make sense to me at all, if it's supposed to be against the rules to cuss. The fact that they'd allow you to in the first place, rather than keep everything bleeped, seems odd.
Anyway, I say cuss away. Frankly, some emotions simply cannot properly be displayed without the use of cuss words. They're vulgar to some, but they have a bite to them that other words don't. There were some studdies about 2 years ago that even showed it was good for you. Made your tollerance to pain, on average, far greater than people who didn't cuss. Unfortunately, some people are offended by simple words, but that's the world we live in. You have to take that chance everytime you say something. There's always the chance someone's going to take offense and do something, no matter how ridiculous it may be.
I'd say George Carlin had it right. "There's no such thing as bad words, only bad meanings. You shouldn't be worried about the word, you should be worried about ******* that said it. There is nothing wrong with any word in and of itself."
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I've already explained it. Pretend the filter isn't togglable as far as the rules are concerned. That's irrelevant.
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Fix it up a bit. Because no matter how you look at it, having a filter togglable just makes it look heavily like, atleast to me, that profanity is acceptable to an extent, despite the ToS.
If this were the case, I'd think maybe they'd just take a little time off somewhere to improve the filter rather than leave it broken and togglable.
Fix it up a bit. Because no matter how you look at it, having a filter togglable just makes it look heavily like, atleast to me, that profanity is acceptable to an extent, despite the ToS. |
And, I'm sorry, but assuming the togglability of the filter overrides what TOS says is just plain stupid. The TOS makes absolutely no mention of the filter. Therefore, the existence of the filter is -OBVIOUSLY- irrelevant as far as the TOS is concerned, whether it's togglable or not.

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Whether the filter is there or not, is it that hard to show a little respect amongst people whom you don't know?
A filter is never going to be perfect. I eat crackers as a snack leading to a few "afk grabbing a cracker" and "semi-afk eating cracker" messages in team chat. After 18 months I learnt "cracker" is filtered in game anyone who has the profanity filter on ... well I dread to think what they thought I was doing.
I play with the profanity filter off simply because it can mangle perfectly innocent sentences. Ideally, the profanity filter should be removed; I recall a perfectly civil discussion about gay marriage on another board where "gay" is filtered. The posts looked terrible with all the "***" in there. However, I can understand parents using the filter as a 'first line defence' against the potty mouthed especially in broadcast.
Personally, I loathe the use of a word for a forced sexual assault (filtered by the forum) for getting whopped by a mob. Similarly the use of "gay" for anything substandard makes me think the typist isn't very bright. But would you filter? Unlikely because they aren't traditional swear words. Those two examples require a change in the attitude of the user behind the keyboard and that isn't down to NC. That's down to the individuals. Neither is any filter going to catch unsavoury topics or 'going over the line'.
I've teamed with everyone from very young kids to grandparents in this game, you never know who is behind the other keyboards.
If it's friends who won't be offended that's one thing, the end of a particularly difficult TF I can understand a slightly more forceful response than "stitch that" but there's a difference between an expletive when you stub your toe and one you type; with the latter you have time to edit it and consider if it's appropriate.
Oh and I'm not that prissy, many of my relatives are all truck drivers and I can be quite inventive when I feel like it. However, swearing at the monitor is usually sufficient.
I'd say find out who your team mates are. If it's a static RP group, they may be more amiable than a PuG.

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If this were the case, I'd think maybe they'd just take a little time off somewhere to improve the filter rather than leave it broken and togglable.
Fix it up a bit. Because no matter how you look at it, having a filter togglable just makes it look heavily like, atleast to me, that profanity is acceptable to an extent, despite the ToS. |
Also, words like God & Jesus are in it, last I checked. It's not perfect, and can interfere with non-profane conversation, thus it's toggle-ability.
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If this were the case, I'd think maybe they'd just take a little time off somewhere to improve the filter rather than leave it broken and togglable.
Fix it up a bit. Because no matter how you look at it, having a filter togglable just makes it look heavily like, atleast to me, that profanity is acceptable to an extent, despite the ToS. |
This is a "T" rated game. If you want to use offensive language in the open environment, go find an "M" rated game.
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crackers[/URL] as a snack leading to a few "afk grabbing a cracker" and "semi-afk eating cracker" messages in team chat. After 18 months I learnt "cracker" is filtered in game anyone who has the profanity filter on ... well I dread to think what they thought I was doing.
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It appeared the be the usual attempt to argue that the rule doesn't make sense when the profanity filter is optional.
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Honestly, I haven't quite figured out why there's a togglable profanity filter if it's against the ToS to cuss in the first place.
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I do not personally care for swearing. I understand that there are occasions for where it is required, as the examples from others have pointed out. I mean, I swore up a storm when the car door closed on my ankle. I have characters that swear. But when you see people that use f*** in place of 'the'... yeah.
Keep it out of Broadcast/Local, and in other channels, be aware of your audience.
The only people I can think of that use vulgar language in a way that it doesn't seem offensive are Richard Pryor, George Carlin, and Eddie Murphy. Everyone else just seems lame because it doesn't enhance a coversation in any way, and makes the person using the foul language look like an idiot because he has to go for "shock" vallue or something to get people's attention.
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That right there is what to keep in mind.
None of us should ever hear from a GM that we were reported for foul language. |
Let me take a moment to thank the original poster for asking our opinions on what's appropriate and what's not.
My opinion:
Here's a caveat: If you have to ask, the answer is usually no. I can see talking a little trash if you're roleplaying a bad guy/girl. However, just because you're roleplaying doesn't mean I should have to be your acting buddy. I've got my filter on, and still I get a lot of trash through broadcast and public and private channels. People aren't deliberately trying to offend me, I just have an increased sensitivity to it as a Christian. Do what's fun for you, and try not to talk "salty" to kids. If you offend me, I just ignore you, and my problem is solved.
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The only people I can think of that use vulgar language in a way that it doesn't seem offensive are Richard Pryor, George Carlin, and Eddie Murphy.
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Of course you can, why wouldn't you be able to? You can report any violation of TOS you see.

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To those that chose to send such reports, I'd advice a bit of caution. It wouldn't be unheard of so see the one who submitted the report ending up banned, for the reaction he had to the event in the first place, and possibly composing a very aggressive and foul-mouthed report to the mods. It's wise to keep in mind that submitting a report will inevitably end up with both sides being examined.
While I'm new on this particular game, I've seen other games where the mods end up banning both people, or even just the one submitting the report in the first place, and letting the "offender" go back to his game with an apology.
Generally... if someone says something that offends you - start by making sure it's actually intended to offend you. If it wasn't, you are probably over reacting, unless he's literally spouting profanities in Broadcast (and in that case he's probably 12yo and in desperate need of parenting). However if it is aimed at you: DON'T reply in the same way, or even close to it. You won't have to go far back in the thread here to see a language purist call players "lame idiots", not for cursing at them, or even for cursing in general, but for having an -opinion- about cursing. I don't even want to know what would happen if I actually called one of them a ******* ****.
If you couldn't resist, and answered by dishing it out as good as you got... avoid the report. Even if you didn't use profanity to do so, think carefully. It's not ok to ridicule, insult or belittle, even if you use clean language. Is this a report you are comfortable sending? The mods will see the logs and hey - mods believe in fighting fire with mods, not fighting fire with fire and then calling the mods to get rid of ONE arsonist. Y'know?

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