VEATs and HEATs not so epic?

Right I thought it was something like that. And I'm surprised but not that you can't play a Nictus villainside? Going Rogue FTW though.

And I didn't say Kheld's suck I just know most people dislike them for some reason. I know someone else did though. I like them both so far.

So if this is the case with Epics then I think we've answered my question, mostly.
Epics are mainly for story arcs etc. Right.

Any hopes of new ones in the future? Would anyone like to see any particular kind of "Epic" AT and one to follow? I know one friend of mine wishes we could have a Coralax or something. Not sure how that would work exactly but *shrug*.

Anyone else got some ideas? I still like mine though :P maybe toned down for a magic origin epic though

I think it all boils down to what makes you happy (what you find rewarding) in a game. Me - I get a sense of accomplishment from the journey, and don't really care if I ever get to 50. I like having lots of alt archetypes to dabble with, so I'm happy that I can play VEATs even with my only lvl 50 being a hero. I don't like teaming or raiding (after years of doing it in EQ), so I have never done a Hami or even a task force. I love the casualness of COX, which is perfect for my non-competitive/lazy/scattered style of gaming. If the devs introduced "Epitome Archetypes" of the kind suggested, I'd probably shrug and resign myself to the fact that I'd never get to play 'em. I fully acknowledge that I'm not a typical MMO kind of person, but I think COX is the perfect MMO for me.

Hey i'm cool with that. I don't really want to single anyone out, or limit anything. Im just throwing ideas out there and stuff. I just would like to see new things in general. I'm enjoying GR so far too so.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one:

So a softcapped VEAT with team buffs, decent aoe damage, mez protection , around 50% of resistance to most damage types, 6 pets and unique costume parts isn't epic enough?

I agree with some points about Kheldians and SoA's not feeling epic. I enjoy playing them however, and don't get hung up on that word.

I'm not really sold on the idea of introducing some "Ultimate Good/Evil" archetypes thast have devilish or angelic dark/light powers respectively.

Thats just forcing some other restrictive concept on the player.

The incarnate system will let you become a jacked up Dark/Dark Brute if you chose to play one, and everyone else will become a jacked up whateevr they are. The IO system already makes many characters pretty epic if they choose to invest lots of time in it. Incarnates will push that another step further.

I laugh every time I see someone comment on how the Epic Archetypes don't feel "Epic" to them. Please, go look up the standard dictionary meaning of epic, rather that defaulting to the internet/mmo colloquialism of it.

epic - noun - 1. a long poem, typically one derived from ancient oral tradition, narrating the deeds and adventures of heroic or legendary figures or the history of a nation. 2. a long film, book, or other work portraying heroic deeds and adventures or covering an extended period of time.

"Epic" Archetypes are those that are fundamentally tied to the storyline of the game universe in question. Your Blaster or Mastermind (for example) could reasonably fit, story-wise, into a great many other settings. The HEATs and VEATs in CoH BELONG here, more than any of your other rather generic characters ever will. They are part of the CoH epic.

I like the VEATS, find the HEATS to be not worth the bother, but whether or not they are "all that" am pissed that any n00b on a steamrolling team can have one in a day. I don't think that having to wait until 50 was unreasonable, just that most people misunderstand what HEATS/VEATS are all about. They're not meant to be "godmode" but that is why people are disappointed in them. IMO they are/were (whichever) meant to give the veteran player an opportunity to play an AT that would be flexible, allowing them to explore several different ability types and playstyles all in one character, letting them either concentrate on one or diversifying and trying to be more of a JOAT. Of course, one thing that many people tend to forget is the MON that accompanies that.

Incarnate is (will be) our new "Epic".

Team of veats....+4 manti, 45 minutes. Im thinking no that is not that good....oh crap Im trolling and you are too

The term "Epic" is continuously being misused here.

The epic sense for VEATS and HEATS, are the same "Epic" meant to describe the lvl 40+ power pools. They are suppose to be powers that are outside of the normal AT's powerset. For VEATS and HEATS, its basically EPIC AT b/c they mix together ranged, mele, armors, pets, etc, and creates new AT that are similar to or a mixture of the other AT.

The story driven part is just extra, and is informing the player how these AT fit in the world etc.

Just because your character is hard set to Normal origin etc, you can make whatever backstory you want. Sure the VEATS sound AWOL but what kinda villain are you that follows orders, why wouldn't you as a villain try to be at the top or best.

The reason people don't like khelds are because they are much harder to build and use than VEATS. Veats don't have quantom voids that just kill you in two shots with all your buffs on, or make shadow cyrstals in the missions that wipe out teams. Personally I'm glad they didn't do that with VEATs.