Running the game like it was Crysis


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Originally Posted by Decorum View Post
I'm pretty certain they didn't change anything on the low end. I went into "ugly" mode just the other day to speed up my load times when I was logging in a bunch of characters for the 6 year anniversary badge. That said, this game shows different things for different machines so maybe yours is gone and mine still there.
actually some things were changed on the low end.

Some of the old non-standard proprietary code was junked and re-written to, as I understand it, a stricter OpenGL specification adhearence. Theoretically this should have improved and standarized image quality across all OpenGL adhearent API sets (1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 2.0, 2.0 ES, and 3.0), but instead wound up appearently caused issues on certain vendors drivers: e.g. Intel, e.g. Fglrx / Catalyst drivers of a certain age, e.g. Nvidia drivers of a certain age.

Hence the number of Intel users suddenly locked out of the game and finding shader quality wasn't an option, and the known issue with Geforce 4 crashes.

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Sorry i have state of the art comp , and even i cant run ULTRA MODE past high level.
I can switch to my raid wow comp who is even more state of the art 64 bit .
But bet you it wont run well on everything max out .

I know graphics update was forthcoming . but when 95% couldn´t even play on maximum aegix PHX enhanced bloom out whatever maxout before ultra mode without having sever lag.
So the graphics were out of reach for most people already , why make a ultra mode , thats designed for the less then 5 % ?
These are some interesting statements. First of all, Ultra Mode was designed against OpenGL 3.0, and was demonstrated on RadeonHD 4870 graphics cards. A RadeonHD 4850 is capable of driving all Ultra Mode settings on low details with lower-end processors at a resolution of 1920*1200. Ultra Mode can be run with Shadows and Reflections maximized on the RadeonHD 5770 with a resolution of 1920*1200 graphics card, if coupled against a good (enough) CPU.

So, given what we know of the hardware requirements, unless you are willing to provide the exact specifications of your quoted, state of the art, computer, it's probably not state of the art. For what you describe, you aren't not running anything that could be described as State of the Art.

Then there's the issue that yes, the developers did design Ultra Mode for higher end cards. They did so because that's what people will be buying this year, and next year. New gamers who have never played City of Heroes will be buying Going Rogue and expecting graphics that stress their system. They'll be expecting something that has the shadows or resolution details of Champions Online or DC Universe Online, or they'll be wanting something better.

And also, citing an Ageia enhanced effect? You... do... realize that back when the Ageia card was launched, players got the exact same performance benefit as adding an Ageia card as they got from going to a single core processor to a dual core processor? No? You didn't? Well, sorry, you did. Overall, the add-in AGEIA card actually did nothing for long-term performance, and really gave no performance gains at all.

As players moved into Dual-Core and Quad core systems, I imagine quite a few were able to run maximied physics effects. Personally I was able to drive maximum effects on an Athlon64 X2 3000 coupled with a Radeon x1950 AIW.

Rather, it's more accurate to say that anybody running a.. .and we'll use your term... state of the art computer... were hitting 1920*1200 with all features enabled, distance and detail maxed, and wondering what was next.


 

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Is it that i type too fast ?
Or is that the god given me a light , or is it that it solves the meaning of life ?

Who knows , maybe you can answer it , maybe you can´t .
But best of all why bother with trival things ?
When people are people , they read what they want and what makes sense in there own mind .
If you want to read what you can use , you will read what you can use .
If want to read rubbishe you will make up rubbishe .
It was simple curiosity, since adding a space before a punctuation mark is not taught in any school. Not entirely sure why you went off on a tangent. You type too fast, which forces you to add an extra space before every punctuation mark? That just makes no sense...


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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Aggelakis sees an anomaly:

It was simple curiosity, since adding a space before a punctuation mark is not taught in any school. Not entirely sure why you went off on a tangent. You type too fast, which forces you to add an extra space before every punctuation mark? That just makes no sense...
I'm also guessing by the spelling "rubbishe", that the poster isn't a native English speaker either.

Although with the desire for negative rep, it may be on purpose just to irritate people.


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Originally Posted by Aggelakis View Post
It was simple curiosity, since adding a space before a punctuation mark is not taught in any school. Not entirely sure why you went off on a tangent. You type too fast, which forces you to add an extra space before every punctuation mark? That just makes no sense...
See what doesn´t make sense for one , doesn´t mean it has to make sense for another .
Cause what you percieve as sense , is that sense in your own world .
Or is that sense cause of your own experience ?

What you read is what you want to read , what you percieve is what you want to percieve.
Or what is taught by society or those around you .
A fire is a fire , its hot it can burn , but how do you know it can burn unless you put your hand over it .
Or do you say it burns cause everybody else says it burns and teaches you .
So is fire bad ? if fire is bad , we wouldnt have evolved .

Now again you can continue this in pm , or we can feed your post count .

But i posted cause like always it was on the reply what do you know is state of the art.
When technology is always one step ahead of the medium , what we have is not state of the art tommorow . what your expensive graphic card you just bought in the shop .
There is already a replacement in the warehouse a month ago .


 

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Originally Posted by Decorum View Post
I'm also guessing by the spelling "rubbishe", that the poster isn't a native English speaker either.

Although with the desire for negative rep, it may be on purpose just to irritate people.
Desire for negative rep , no its just to make fun of people clicking on rep .
I dont mind if its negative or postive but i find it quite funny .
How many epeens get hurt by just a simple statement .
Rep doesnt mean a thing to me , thats why i dont turn it off .
As long it makes people happy to click on it , it must mean a world of difference to them .


 

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je_saist rightly corrects:

actually some things were changed on the low end.

Some of the old non-standard proprietary code was junked and re-written to, as I understand it, a stricter OpenGL specification adhearence. Theoretically this should have improved and standarized image quality across all OpenGL adhearent API sets (1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 2.0, 2.0 ES, and 3.0), but instead wound up appearently caused issues on certain vendors drivers: e.g. Intel, e.g. Fglrx / Catalyst drivers of a certain age, e.g. Nvidia drivers of a certain age.

Hence the number of Intel users suddenly locked out of the game and finding shader quality wasn't an option, and the known issue with Geforce 4 crashes.
True, true, I was mostly speaking to if the low settings were still there (which they are for me). But to continue your info, once I got my specific computer's issues figured out (I had one of those hotkey issues, but not with ATI), the game actually seems to run much better for me at the settings I used previous to I17. So I will attribute that to the OpenGL fix you mentioned.


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Lonelyshade lives in his own little world:

What you read is what you want to read , what you percieve is what you want to percieve.
Or what is taught by society or those around you .
English has standardized rules. If you deliberately choose to ignore them and go your own way, expect to be questioned. It's not a matter of subjective perception.


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Originally Posted by Lonelyshade View Post
See what doesn´t make sense for one , doesn´t mean it has to make sense for another .
Cause what you percieve as sense , is that sense in your own world .
Or is that sense cause of your own experience ?

What you read is what you want to read , what you percieve is what you want to percieve.
Or what is taught by society or those around you .
A fire is a fire , its hot it can burn , but how do you know it can burn unless you put your hand over it .
Or do you say it burns cause everybody else says it burns and teaches you .
So is fire bad ? if fire is bad , we wouldnt have evolved .

Now again you can continue this in pm , or we can feed your post count .

But i posted cause like always it was on the reply what do you know is state of the art.
When technology is always one step ahead of the medium , what we have is not state of the art tommorow . what your expensive graphic card you just bought in the shop .
There is already a replacement in the warehouse a month ago .
I have no idea what the second half of your post is about, other than lumping me in with je_saist, because I *never* said anything about graphics to you or in response to you. Please keep the conversation straight. The *only* thing I asked you was about your weird writing style. You could respond to that question without rambling about life and fire and how people perceive things and stuff... that'd be great.


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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Ok since Je saist is asking , and i missed it , i playing on XPS dell customised lapbook . that has 9700M gtx inside . so one of the first XPS runs released in europe .

So basically how old is it ?
So it isn´t state of the art anymore after how many years ?
When you were running 1900x 1200 was doing the same back then .
Now so what do you define as state of the art a computer thats bought last 3 months ?
When in 1 year time we are already onto newer machines .


 

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I have no idea what the second half of your post is about, other than lumping me in with je_saist, because I *never* said anything about graphics to you or in response to you. Please keep the conversation straight. The *only* thing I asked you was about your weird writing style. You could respond to that question without rambling about life and fire and how people perceive things and stuff... that'd be great.
Oh reading is hard isn´t it we could have continued in PM .
If you want to know a answer you can ask in PM
Other then that why bother to demand a answer . who gives you the right to demand a answer ?


 

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Lonelyshade gets huffy:

Oh reading is hard isn´t it we could have continued in PM .
With improper punctuation and non-standard spelling and capitalization, yes, it can be very hard.


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Thanks for your help guys!

BTW, i see... or i barely see some "real" people out there. is my server
with low population or what?
When i played WoW, the noobz area where full o people.

Do you recomend me to change to other server?
im in Infinity


 

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Infinity tends to be fairly well stocked for players, I'm told.

May I suggest you look into joining a global channel for your server? Since much of the game is instanced and there are many zones to be in and even low-level toons can go into almost any of them, it can look empty compared to WoW, when in reality a lot of people aren't simply congretating in one area.

Also, you may want to look into the Mentor Project, listed in my signature.


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Gilgamesh wants crowds:

Thanks for your help guys!

BTW, i see... or i barely see some "real" people out there. is my server
with low population or what?
When i played WoW, the noobz area where full o people.

Do you recomend me to change to other server?
im in Infinity
WoW is mostly outside. CoH is mostly inside. You don't see the people playing here because they're mostly in instances. Infinity's one of those that rotate in and out of the third spot on the list and it's hardly dead. But if you WANT the big crowds under Atlas, your best bet is Virtue or Freedom.


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i playing on XPS dell customised lapbook . that has 9700M gtx inside . so one of the first XPS runs released in europe .

So basically how old is it ?
So it isn´t state of the art anymore after how many years ?
Firstly, the fact that you're gaming with a mobile card can affect your ability to utilize Ultra Mode to its fullest. Not a single mobile GPU can compare to a decent desktop GPU. Secondly, no, its not "state of the art". While your laptop is half-decent, its not a high-end gaming laptop, nor is it the newest. Lastly, keep in mind that computer technology works in such a way that anything you buy is technically obsolete months before it hits the shelf due to there always being something better coming along behind it in short order.


And as a side note, to satisfy my curiosity. You're from Europe so English is obviously a second (or even third or fourth) language for you. What is your native language? And from the formatting of your posts I'm somewhat inclined to think that you're using an online translation site to create your posts. Is that true? Nothing against it, just curious.


 

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post
Thanks for your help guys!

BTW, i see... or i barely see some "real" people out there. is my server
with low population or what?
When i played WoW, the noobz area where full o people.

Do you recomend me to change to other server?
im in Infinity
You should be fine on Infinity. It's one of the top 5 servers population-wise.

What you're seeing is the result of the game being mostly instances rather than open zone hunting. There could be hundreds of people playing, but if they are all on mission maps you won't see them.

It's a bit of a shock to people coming over from open zone games. But look on the bright side: You won't have to compete with 30 other people to get the Rat Pelt you need to get out of the tutorial


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Hi, im about to drop my game. and i just bough it yesterday.
My bad experiences:

-The Updater took ages to download the 2.5gb updates (no, my internet connection is 4mb)
The update wasn't 2.5gb. That was the updater APPLYING the patch. Basically writing it into the program. That was not the updater downloading anything.




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The update wasn't 2.5gb. That was the updater APPLYING the patch. Basically writing it into the program. That was not the updater downloading anything.
It is entirely possible that it *was* the updater downloading 2.5GB. He just got the game and was installing it.


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I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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It is entirely possible that it *was* the updater downloading 2.5GB. He just got the game and was installing it.
That would depend on whether he installed from a disc or purchased online. In the latter case, that wouldn't be patching either.




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is this normal graphics??



The Anti-Aliasing is in x16, it's ok for a 6 year old game.
but.... why the boxes (the ones that are very far) are rendered
pretty well, and the people graphs are normal?


 

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Civilians, to be honest, are pretty poorly rendered. Maybe they looked better back in the day (compared to the old graphic option scenery and on old systems) but these days a lot of them look pretty shabby.

Most of the mob factions look a lot better with a few notable exceptions. I hope someday they decide to re-do the Skulls and Hellions to look less blocky. Wouldn't kill the Outcasts to get a going over either.


 

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Go into options and select advanced graphics options, then hike Character Detail up to maximum (200%). There is little to no impact on the game's performance when this is done unless you're in a huge raid-style fight which only happens toward the end range of levels.


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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.

 

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Originally Posted by Gilgamesh View Post
is this normal graphics??



The Anti-Aliasing is in x16, it's ok for a 6 year old game.
but.... why the boxes (the ones that are very far) are rendered
pretty well, and the people graphs are normal?
I get a gateway timeout on the picture link.

Anyways, RadeonHD and Ambient Occulusion don't play well together, but first, make sure your drivers are up to date.

You said you had a Mobility 2600HD right? If you are running NT6 (Vista/Win7) Go here and get new drivers:
32bit: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...b_win7-32.aspx
64bit: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownloa...b_win7-64.aspx


 

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I get a gateway timeout on the picture link.
He's asking about the low-res looking protesters outside Darwin. And why they look so shabby when the rest of the scenry renders rather nicely. Unfortunately, the answer is that the game's civilians are just blocky looking with painted on looking clothes and faces.

I assume this helped performance back in 2004 but it looks pretty hokey these days.


 

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He's asking about the low-res looking protesters outside Darwin. And why they look so shabby when the rest of the scenry renders rather nicely. Unfortunately, the answer is that the game's civilians are just blocky looking with painted on looking clothes and faces.

I assume this helped performance back in 2004 but it looks pretty hokey these days.
... yeah. I just got the picture to load here. I thought that was driver corruption with the red lines. I see now that he was using Microsoft Paint on the picture.