Dual Pistols QQ

Both incapacitate the enemy and prevent them from retaliating, saying one is inferior to the other is simply absurd.

Some degree of versatility, yes. Amazing? no.

That's about the only advantage it has as a Blast set. Still, the set doesn't allow you to stack too much -dmg because of the long animations (compared to say, Ice Blast whose secondary effect can be stacked relavitely high)

Then can they at least buff it to the point where it's not the second-worst set in the game? Right now every blast set except maybe Elec is better, and that's only because Elec's secondary effect is an all-or-nothing deal and the set doesn't have a tier 3 blast.

EDIT: Here are the issues with DP, relative to other blast sets:

* Lack of ability to front-load damage. Dark Blast and AR don't have Aim, but AR has really good AoE output and Dark Blast has really good debuff and control. Pistols has subpar AoE output, mediocre debuff, and acceptable control (discounting knockback, which isn't a given anyways). The funny thing here is that Aim (or a similar power) could've been added without taking anything away simply by replacing Swap Ammo with Aim and giving the Swap Ammo toggles as inherents at level 6 (or 16 for Defenders). Those who didn't want "just another blast set with Aim" could skip Aim, and they'd have another power pick open since Swap Ammo wouldn't take a pick, and those who did want Aim would be able to frontload their damage.

* Really long animations. Other sets have long-ish animation times, but no set other than AR has as many animations as long as DP has. This isn't a big deal in PvP where damage is based on activation time (though lack of Aim kills the set's PvP viability), but in PvE it means that DP just has a low damage per activation, and the root times of the attacks mean you're exposing yourself to danger far longer than you should be for the damage you're outputting.

* Weak secondary effects. The main "gimmick" of the set is that you can switch your secondary effects, and part of your damage, on-the-fly. Unfortunately this means the debuff effects aren't very powerful relative to other sets which have them baked-in, which means you're getting less bang for your buck, so to speak.

* Subpar AoE damage. The set has four AoEs (if you count Piercing Rounds, which for all intents and purposes is a single-target attack unless you come across a packed group of NPCs, and even then it has a low target cap), and they've all got long animations and the damage isn't great. Hail of Bullets can do Nova-like damage if you're using Incendiary Rounds, but its recharge and animation are too long. Bullet Rain's animation isn't too bad but it still isn't really a winner in the damage department. Empty Clip's animation is just too long for an attack that requires you to get fairly close and doesn't do great damage.

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Oh please. If all you care about is shutting down their damage, sure. But Stun does not immobilize, while Hold does. This is a very important and not at all insignificant distinction, particularly since the issue with enemies staggering away at light speed is still around.

If you built your toon right, you should be able to triple stack it consistently, which is quite a significant debuff from a Defender or Corruptor. Paired with a set like Dark or Rad, well, it's very, very good.

Triple stacking, while good, is still comparatively crappy when you have sets such as Ice Blast (as I mentioned earlier) that can stack their secondary effects up to 6x (using all 3 ST blasts) and Sonic Attacks (using the first two blasts), which when paired with a set like Cold, Rad or Traps is *MUCH* more effective. It's not a matter of building your toon right (as there are no enhancements that reduce animation time), it's a matter of DP being a comparatively crappy set with crappy damage and crappy secondary effects; crappiness accentuated by the long animations.

I LOLed.

Mom and I have watched that show forever. We used to take bets on how long it would be into each episode before Lana cried.

So, I would support a KKS entry, but maybe not for the reasons you think.

What's more petulant is when someone spouts "QQ MOAR" in chat or the forums. It only makes them look like an ***.

I think so, Brain. But if we give the Qs a chance, won't the Pews get jealous?

Cry moar. Seriously, if you could 6 stack the -dmg in chem rounds it would be seriously overpowered. A Defender would be able to stack 75%(!) -dmg debuff on a target. A Corruptor would be able to put 60% on. Not counting stacking with 'Fender primaries or Corr secondaries.

A DP/Dark Corr would be able to apply 90% dmg debuff. A Dark/DP Defender could floor a character's dmg by himself. That's way, way too powerful. The effect would have to be nerfed.

As it stands, a Dark/DP 'fender can slap a target with a -75% damage debuff. If that's too weak for you, then I just can't help you.

In short, get over it... The animations are long. If you don't like it, play a different set, end of story.

It's also important to tell the person that their tears are delicious.

I believe Full Auto is just a longer cone version of Burst.

Except it does a lot of tick damage. And looks far cooler. And is faaaar more powerful then the rest of the set. Yes, it has a long animation time, but it's recharge is short and has decent damage.

As for DP...haven't played the live version, but played it in beta and have been watching others play it on live...it's not the best set ever, but it's fun to play/watch and it isn't a terrible slouch in terms of damage. It does seem like it works better for 'fenders and corrs, and to be honest, I'm going to be a terrible person and say I'm ok with that.

Aww, disapointing. I was wondering how long we could've kept the civilized discussion before you started nerdraging (and subsequently admitting none of your points were valid)

I be missing something, but that sounds like an awfully frivolous idea for a buff to me. It's not like the debuff on the enemy just goes away when you change ammo types, is it? So switch to Standard Rounds to fire PR and then switch to something else if it is so desired.

However, "bang bang" is insufficiently onomatopœic to warrant changing the phrase just for that.

Get on a fast-moving team and watch the fight move away from where you planted the location for your Rain of Arrows while the animation is playing... again and again... and then tell me that it's overpowered. Remember, it's a location AoE; if the mobs move out of the area before the attack finishes animating, or while the DoT is going on, they stop taking damage, just as they do with Rain of Fire and Ice Storm.

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Ok, here's the deal; the very second the devs say anything about improving elec blast's performance; I'll be right there with you with chants of "equality for dual pistols!"

Now, having said that, and admitting that I have not yet played DP... Many of my ranged characters use elec blast (most of those without a secondary set that compliments it by providing more '-end'), and I really don't see what everyone's problem with it is.

So if it is better than elec, then it is not THE worst... and if it's not THE worst- then any cries to re-work its performance should be directed towards that which is the worst, which is ostensibly elec blast. ... for which buffing pleas have fallen on deaf ears for a long time.

I think that team was a beast because you had 8 Corrupters, not because they were DP.

Indeed. My Storm defender has done just fine with Electric Blast. Granted, it's STORM, but I see nothing wrong with his damage output.

We may have different definitions of "beast"

Also, it's not about DP being completely unable to do remotely well (not sure if I mentioned before that my lolDP/TA corr can clear +2/x8 spawns of S/L mobs by himself), it's about being comparatively weaker than (almost) every other set (meaning that, while a DP/Rad can do well, an Archery/Rad for instance, could do much better)