Scythe Class!!!
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Bill Z Bubba,
Posted on: 2010-02-24 03:22 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Tell you what, I'll beat you with a pole and then with a scythe, and you let me know if you STILL cant tell the difference.
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Originally Posted by Talionis
I don't see how different a scythe is from a pole (except for it using smashing damage instead of lethal damage). Many comic heroes use pole fighting, (ex. Teen Titan Robin). The game already has two handed weapons in claws and double blades that cannot use shields. So the game can be taught not to allow combonations that have odd animations. Then all you need is animations for poles. At which point a lot of people might be happy with skins for the poles that included a scythe. All of that sounds doable.
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A scythe is used as a threshing or mowing device. It is swung in front of the body, from left to right, and is designed to be used with the blade close to the ground. It actually would be an awkward weapon used if held by the handles, although it does gain some leverage that way. Most scythes shown wielded by the Grim Reaper or similar characters are not held by the handles, but instead are swung, with the supporting hand at the weapon's center of gravity. Likely, this is because if it was held by the rear handle, the impact of striking a solid body would knock it out of the wielder's hand. |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
But the way I see it, a scythe as a weapon is kind of useless...except in over-the-top displays of badassery. In that case, a scythe is a powerful weapon. But you can't look baddA swinging a scythe around like a staff, you need to 'reap'. That is, pull the weapon through the enemy. And the stabbing point is 'waaay' out on the end too.
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The point of a scythe is NOT used in its ordinary purpose, and it could not be used in an attack. I am assuming you are talking about a true farm implement scythe, not a war scythe, which mounts the blade at a totally different angle. The blade of the scythe CAN be used by pulling it through the enemy, but given that that is such an unnatural motion, and very few opponents would let themselves get inside such a manuever, it is very unlikely you would ever be able to pull it off.
If you can show me an example of it being used otherwise, go ahead. But most scythes I have seen used in combat have been very stylized, with no actual portrayal of how the motion would actually result in the slashing damage shown. It's essentially just a staff with a dramatic accessory stuck on it to satisfy the Rule of Cool.
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So what is your issue with that? It's pretty much what I said before, really. And the reason I state that is, for the scythe to retain its 'cool' factor, it must be swung in a fashion that exhibits that blade and really can't be done with animations for a staff or spear.
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Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
If you can show me an example of it being used otherwise, go ahead. But most scythes I have seen used in combat have been very stylized, with no actual portrayal of how the motion would actually result in the slashing damage shown. It's essentially just a staff with a dramatic accessory stuck on it to satisfy the Rule of Cool.
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Well, to take it out of real world context...
It can be anything it's programmed to look like. 1h 2h... dual... shoot flames out of the tip.. cause the wielder to shoot flames out his bum...
The point is, why are so many people stuck on what it is in reality when we arnt dealing in reality?
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Just popped in to note that every time I see this thread title my brain translates it as Scythe Claws.
Which would be AWESOME.
Be well, people of CoH.
Scythe Class 101:
1. Hold scythe with one hand on each handle.
2. Swing scythe in a sweeping motion.
3. Remove scythe blade from classmate and repeat steps one and two until no classmates remain.
4. Receive diploma.
Scythe Class 101 is a prerequisite for Psych Class 217: Counseling Survivors of Scythe Class 101.
Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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Except that typically, a staff IS swung in a similar fashion. The striking point is the end of the staff, not a blade, but it is still the same motion. Traditionally in Western combat, the staff is the only weapon which is used in a similar fashion to Eastern martial arts, where the skill of the user is the primary factor, rather than numbers and formation. Which is why the staff occasionally was used by trained knights, but the spear never was. It was a peasant's weapon, below the nobility. |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
So what is your issue with that? It's pretty much what I said before, really. And the reason I state that is, for the scythe to retain its 'cool' factor, it must be swung in a fashion that exhibits that blade and really can't be done with animations for a staff or spear.
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A spear, as used by a modern martial artist, would be similar to a scythe or pole arm, not ideally suited for one on one combat, but usable as a staff, with the blade on the end as a weapon of opportunity.
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Name these typical situations. Because you don't swing a staff like you would a scythe. And I know, staff and spear are the only weapons I'm good at <_< Just on principal of how the weapon is built defies them being used similarly.|
Originally Posted by Jade_Dragon
Except that typically, a staff IS swung in a similar fashion. The striking point is the end of the staff, not a blade, but it is still the same motion. Traditionally in Western combat, the staff is the only weapon which is used in a similar fashion to Eastern martial arts, where the skill of the user is the primary factor, rather than numbers and formation. Which is why the staff occasionally was used by trained knights, but the spear never was. It was a peasant's weapon, below the nobility.
A spear, as used by a modern martial artist, would be similar to a scythe or pole arm, not ideally suited for one on one combat, but usable as a staff, with the blade on the end as a weapon of opportunity. |
If a western style is similar to the eastern ones (the only one I have trained in) then staff/gun is not even close to being used similar to scythe. A chinese spear is even further. I haven't a clue about any kind of poleaxe though but I guess it'd be exactly the same as a 'warscythe' but not a 'scythe scythe'.
Way I see it you could do three sets with all of them sharing certain animations any any 2 sets will share certain animation so in the end only one unique animation need to be given to a set in the group of 3
*Bo-Staff/Pole(Some poking, some bashing; secondary effect some KU, lots of KD)
*Bladed Bo staff?/Trident(Some stabing, lots of slashing; secondary effect -Defense)
*Scythe/Great Ax(All Slicing/Chopping Secondary effect some KD, some -resistance)