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Pistols Archtype Decisions

Adeon Hawkwood

By Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-12-17 11:15 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
The "self buffs" really only add Boost Range. You can get Power Boost but it doesn't seem like that will be able to affect much, if anything in pistols. Boost Range admittedly is a cool addition to most ranged sets, except that it appears DP will have a PBAoE mini-nuke for its tier 9, so you may want to be in melee range anyway. I'd probably suggest Devices, of those options.
Dispari I thought Pistols had different Ammo you can switch to? Like Acid rounds or something? Powerboost would surely enhance that.


 

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Originally Posted by Negate View Post
Dispari I thought Pistols had different Ammo you can switch to? Like Acid rounds or something? Powerboost would surely enhance that.
Nothing is really known about the pistol set yet, and what has been said could easily change from now, till live.

It's been mentioned you can choose what type of ammo you use when you make the DP user.

But there's been talk about a change ammo power as well.

So, it's still wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Dispari View Post
From the video it looks like the set has a ranged cone, a targeted AoE, and a PBAoE. But it also seems to have at least 3, if not 4 ST attacks too. Counting change ammo, that leaves one power at least up to speculation.
wait...video?

Edit: found it

 

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If they change it to entirely lethal someone will have some splanin' to do!


 

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Originally Posted by Negate View Post
Dispari I thought Pistols had different Ammo you can switch to? Like Acid rounds or something? Powerboost would surely enhance that.
I doubt it? Power Boost enhances, and I'm quoting from Mids here:

Stun
Sleep
Confuse
Terror
Immobilize
Held
Run Speed
Fly Speed
Defense (all)
Heal
ToHit
Endurance Drain

From what we know so far, the effects of the pistols will be lethal (no known secondary benefit), fire (+DoT), cryo (-speed/-rech), and toxic (unknown benefit). Power Boost shouldn't affect any of those. Except mayyyybe the -speed in your cryo stuff, but not the recharge.

Power Boost doesn't just boost everything that exists. It has a pretty strict guideline, limited mostly to mezzes and +DEF. I don't even have it on my Energy/Energy because it basically does nothing. Boosts stun in two of my powers, but that's not worth devoting a slot to.

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I doubt it? Power Boost enhances, and I'm quoting from Mids here:

Stun
Sleep
Confuse
Terror
Immobilize
Held
Run Speed
Fly Speed
Defense (all)
Heal
ToHit
Endurance Drain

From what we know so far, the effects of the pistols will be lethal (no known secondary benefit), fire (+DoT), cryo (-speed/-rech), and toxic (unknown benefit). Power Boost shouldn't affect any of those. Except mayyyybe the -speed in your cryo stuff, but not the recharge.

Power Boost doesn't just boost everything that exists. It has a pretty strict guideline, limited mostly to mezzes and +DEF. I don't even have it on my Energy/Energy because it basically does nothing. Boosts stun in two of my powers, but that's not worth devoting a slot to.
LOL, I wasn't trying to challenge you but *shrug*. I thought we saw a few cryo rounds in the set tis all.


 

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Back on topic, I'm looking into a Pistols/Kinetics Corrupter at the moment. I already have the concept ready and waiting.

Although a Traps/Pistols Defender doesn't sound to bad...

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Back on topic, I'm looking into a Pistols/Kinetics Corrupter at the moment. I already have the concept ready and waiting.

Although a Traps/Pistols Defender doesn't sound to bad...
I would hate DP/Kin. The constant redraw from heal, end tap, buffs, and debuffs would drive me nuts.

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I would hate DP/Kin. The constant redraw from heal, end tap, buffs, and debuffs would drive me nuts.
i'm planning on Traps/DP or DP/Traps for myself.

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I would hate DP/Kin. The constant redraw from heal, end tap, buffs, and debuffs would drive me nuts.
Remember that Back Alley Brawler is looking into removing the time wasted by weapon redraw. Look at the possibilities as though redraw were not an issue.

 

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Remember that Back Alley Brawler is looking into removing the time wasted by weapon redraw. Look at the possibilities as though redraw were not an issue.
Also remember that he hit a snag and may not be able to do it after all.

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Yeah. Same thing happened with Power Customization. A shame they can't do that; it'd be cool to colorize our powers.

 

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Yeah. Same thing happened with Power Customization. A shame they can't do that; it'd be cool to colorize our powers.
The devs never claimed power customization can't happen. They said it would be a ton of work. Then they hired people and did a ton of work.

BABs had a solution for getting rid of redraw, but hit a speedbump and has to find a new solution. If he doesn't find a new solution, we don't get redraw removal. It's not a "it'll happen after we put enough work into it" scenario, it's a "this will only happen if we can figure out a code solution to the problem" scenario. It's best not to count your chickens before they hatch.

Even if we do get it, it may not be in time for GR. Or even several months after that. It's not something you should start relying on right away just because a dev mentioned it might one day be possible.

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The devs never claimed power customization can't happen.
Actually, they did:

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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler on May 31st, 2007
Geometry particles can't be tinted on the fly[...], which is another one of those stumbling blocks for power FX customization.
Whatever the current snag is for the redraw issue is analagous to whatever it was that made BAB think geometry particles couldn't be color-tinted when they're generated. Don't be so quick to dismiss the possibility.

 

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Well, I've got a name for a pistols character (Guns Blazing) but no idea what to play. Leaning towards Pistols/Traps Corruptor. The seemingly wild and reckless hitman who in actuality has his hits planned out perfectly.

Although Pistols/Devices blaster could be interesting.

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Sometimes I have to wonder if I'm the only one who isn't bothered by redraw. .__.

From the video, it seems that DP has quite a bit of AoE damage. I want Fulcrum Shift to take advantage of that. My only worry is the survivability. I may have to switch to something with a bit more control...

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Sometimes I have to wonder if I'm the only one who isn't bothered by redraw. .__.

From the video, it seems that DP has quite a bit of AoE damage. I want Fulcrum Shift to take advantage of that. My only worry is the survivability. I may have to switch to something with a bit more control...
You're not Alone I play a AR/Kin/Mace...so I think redraw isn't to much of an issue with me as well.


 

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You're not Alone I play a AR/Kin/Mace...so I think redraw isn't to much of an issue with me as well.
That would drive me nuts.

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That would drive me nuts.
Same here.

I've always hated redraw. Even back when it didn't make a difference. If you can see past that really big irritant, hey, more power to ya, but there's no way I would willingly play a character that incurred that level of redraw.

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*shrug* Sometimes you really get into characters and you don't focus on dps numbers. Mind you With My Ar/Kin I have to be very careful with certain foes b/c one hit can stun/hold you....*glares at Ritki*.


 

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*shrug* Sometimes you really get into characters and you don't focus on dps numbers.
I play Energy/ Blasters, TA/A Defenders and Grav/Elec Doms. I never really focus on DPS.

I just find redraw to be bloody annoying.

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I play Energy/ Blasters, TA/A Defenders and Grav/Elec Doms. I never really focus on DPS.

I just find redraw to be bloody annoying.
Same here. I don't care about DPS except on a couple select toons. What I do care about is that after I use any power besides something in my primary, the next attack I try to do won't go off as soon as I hit the button. It only goes off after a redraw animation. And the more often I have to use non-attacks, the more often I get slowed down by redraw.

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Here's hoping Lady Jane will have her powerset altered to use Dual Pistols rather than Mastermind Thugs pistols. Then perhaps she might survive better. XD
That brings up a valid question: Will MM personal attacks and/or the thug minion visuals be upgraded to match DP? They don't have to change effects, just graphics. Otherwise it'll be pretty lackluster after DP is released!

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That brings up a valid question: Will MM personal attacks and/or the thug minion visuals be upgraded to match DP? They don't have to change effects, just graphics. Otherwise it'll be pretty lackluster after DP is released!
I think it will depend on if there's a matching attack.

Likely, but that would be my thought. But doing so might change other factors of the attacks...like end/rch/animation time.

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