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It's my card. I swapped the 8500 in and no problem. Calling Dell since I have a 3 year warranty.

Thanks for the tips on a replacement.



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Well, since I am kinda going through CoV withdrawal at the moment, I will probably grab one myself next week, I just wanted to be sure that you linked the right manufacturer. I got squeamish reading the reviews.

Thanks for the tip
After reading more comments, lots of people say the card runs hot and is big. Guess these are some personal/computer obstacles people have to deal with. Also, seems that there was a bad batch of cards circulating (sent to New Egg) hopefully that's been taken care of.

My 9750 run hot as hell, so that's why I leave me case open. But enough about me.
back on topic!


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As a Bucs fan, even though we suck this year, that is one cool logo design there
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Seeing as this is the only PC game I play....should I get another Nvidia? or are the Radeon HD VisionTek better? I'm not so much worried about cost, but I want the best possible card I can put in my Dell XPS 720 without having to change the power supply or cooling system. I wanna just plug it in and play. Any recomendations?


I'm looking at the Radeon HD 3870 X2 1 GB card, but I don't know if the power supply or cooling system I have now would support it. I'm researching as much as I can, but don't see much about minimum power requirements. Is 500w that standard? Would I better off just going with the GEFORCE 9800GTX + 512MB considering this game is the only PC game I play?

Any help is greatly appreciated.


 

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Seeing as this is the only PC game I play....should I get another Nvidia? or are the Radeon HD VisionTek better? I'm not so much worried about cost, but I want the best possible card I can put in my Dell XPS 720 without having to change the power supply or cooling system. I wanna just plug it in and play. Any recomendations?


I'm looking at the Radeon HD 3870 X2 1 GB card, but I don't know if the power supply or cooling system I have now would support it. I'm researching as much as I can, but don't see much about minimum power requirements. Is 500w that standard? Would I better off just going with the GEFORCE 9800GTX + 512MB considering this game is the only PC game I play?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Right now is kinda of a blech time to get a card for CoX. ATi has the best gaming card out there with the 5870, but the current CoX driver support for ATi cards is inferior to Nvidia's support.

As well, since CoX currently doesn't scale with multi GPU implementations, a 3870x2 pretty much will act like a 3870.

Nvidia's next generation GPUs won't be out for a while (not even any specific part numbers yet), so their last/current generation cards are still at a relative premium while they are getting their behinds kicked by ATi right now.

Of course, muddying things even further is that Going Rogue is going to introduce an upgraded graphics technology, Ultra, which will support SLI/multi-GPU implementations, and support ATi cards much better as well.

So right now if you want the best performing card out there for CoX, it will be a GTX285, but when GR finally launches, the best card(s) will likely be the ATi 5870x2, and in dual or triple card configs if you're rich enough. Nvidia's GTX295 successor will likely be competitive performance wise, but price wise it might come in significantly more than ATi's best.

You might also try to hedge your bets by grabbing a mid range Nvidia card, like the 250GTS or GTX260, and then upgrading or changing once GR launches. You might plan on adding another card for SLI in about a year, but it's usually difficult to find the same model card a year down the road since technology moves so fast, and your motherboard needs to support SLI/Crossfire.


 

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While I'm asking questions....right now my rig has two 1024 memory cards, so 2048mb total. I have two more available slots, so would it be smart to throw a third memory card in there? Would it improve performance?


 

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While I'm asking questions....right now my rig has two 1024 memory cards, so 2048mb total. I have two more available slots, so would it be smart to throw a third memory card in there? Would it improve performance?
More RAM is always good, up to the limit that your OS will use, which with a 32 bit OS is just under 4GB. However, with memory sticks installed in pairs the motherboard interleaves the data between them resulting in a performance increase.

Basically adding a third stick of RAM would actually lower your performance, but adding a pair of sticks (4 total) would increase things. I'm not a guru so I don't have all the technical reasons why this is so, but that's the way it works.

Clear as mud?


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I would try to update your computer for GR not for CoX as it is right now. Also, I'd wait till after thanksgiving to get a card, you might get a better deal on one that you're already looking it.

Awesome is right about the RAM, to an extent not all RAM works in pairs. I'm positive that Dell computers do run best with paired RAM.


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So if I add the 2GB memory card, I should remove one of the 1024MB cards? Or do the paired cards have to be the same capacity?


 

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Well I ordered my stuff today. Instead of getting an additional 2GB memory stick, I ordered two more 1GB memory sticks. This will give me a total of four 1GB memory sticks....hope that works well.

I was all set to buy the 9800GTX Nvidia 512MB card, but the geek on the other end of the line talked me into a VisionTek Radeon HD 4670 1GB instead. I know the game is currently set up to be more friendly to Nvidia, but I do believe with GR this will change. The ATI card is 1GB instead of the 512MB Nvidia card, and yet it was $40 cheaper.

I have 21 days to return anything if I don't like it. Hope I made the right selection. -


 

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I thought the 8800GT was a great card.
It is, at least i've been very happy with mine, as i have never had any issues whatsoever with it when playing City of Heroes or any other game for that matter.


 

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It is, at least i've been very happy with mine, as i have never had any issues whatsoever with it when playing City of Heroes or any other game for that matter.
Mine was awesome as well. It did great for 2 years, well almost two years. Now it decided to take a dump though, so it is time to upgrade.


 

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Well I ordered my stuff today. Instead of getting an additional 2GB memory stick, I ordered two more 1GB memory sticks. This will give me a total of four 1GB memory sticks....hope that works well.

I was all set to buy the 9800GTX Nvidia 512MB card, but the geek on the other end of the line talked me into a VisionTek Radeon HD 4670 1GB instead. I know the game is currently set up to be more friendly to Nvidia, but I do believe with GR this will change. The ATI card is 1GB instead of the 512MB Nvidia card, and yet it was $40 cheaper.

I have 21 days to return anything if I don't like it. Hope I made the right selection. -
From what I remember about XP 32, you won't be able to address the full 4GB since the driver model for the graphics card will take up the addressing space, meaning that XP will only allocate the 4GB minus the GPU RAM size, which in your case will be 4GB - 1GB = 3GB usable.

This shouldn't be that big a deal since any single program has a 3GB partition limit anyhow, and CoX usually uses around 1.5GB at the most. These limits would only be constraining if you were dual boxing or running another bunch of memory hogging programs along with CoX.

If you want to take full advantage of 4GB or more, you'll have to look at 64-bit operating systems.

RAM should be (usually 'must be' on high performance systems) installed in matched pairs (or triples in some cases) to take best advantage of performance. That being said, the performance difference in the real world is usually less than 1.5%, even though benchmarks may show substantial differences. Usually in gaming interleaved RAM gains are in the 0-5% range.

Moving to ATi isn't a bad idea right now, and you can see how Nvidia is getting beat up in the marketplace for not having their next generation parts out right now. Nvidia's strategy of targeting the high end has really been trumped by ATi's taking of the middle ground in the past year.

Good luck on the new gear.


 

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My pc started restarting about the time of the Halloween event; I played the game on max for 2 years no problem up to then. BFG 8800 gtx ultra, has not happened on other games I play regularly, dragon age origins, street fighter 4, only COH seems to do it. I've played those games over and over to see if it will do it and has not happened yet, if the pc doesn't reset on COH I get polygons all over the place.


 

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So if I add the 2GB memory card, I should remove one of the 1024MB cards? Or do the paired cards have to be the same capacity?
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Well I ordered my stuff today. Instead of getting an additional 2GB memory stick, I ordered two more 1GB memory sticks. This will give me a total of four 1GB memory sticks....hope that works well.

I was all set to buy the 9800GTX Nvidia 512MB card, but the geek on the other end of the line talked me into a VisionTek Radeon HD 4670 1GB instead. I know the game is currently set up to be more friendly to Nvidia, but I do believe with GR this will change. The ATI card is 1GB instead of the 512MB Nvidia card, and yet it was $40 cheaper.

I have 21 days to return anything if I don't like it. Hope I made the right selection. -
You made the correct choice here, to gain the benefit of interleaved memory you do need matched pairs of RAM. Now, you could have used (if you have a 64 bit OS) a pair of 1GB and a pair of 2GB sticks for 6GB total, but one 1GB and one 2GB would function, but wouldn't gain the benefit of interleaved memory.

I'm currently running a pair of 2GB sticks for 4GB total on an XP box with the 8800 GTS card and an Intel QuadCore 2.8GHz CPU... it's plenty to run 1680x1050 with details on high and 2x AA... I generally run at 60 fps except when there's massive combat spam going off, then it may drop into the low 30's. (VSync is on capping fps at 60) I do turn off all the water & bloom effects, those are the major performance killers.

Barring something ELSE breaking (I was forced to upgrade CPU & Motherboard a few months ago when the old one packed in... I'd planned on waiting for the new Mobo/CPU for a year or two) I'll be waiting until I find out just what Ultra Mode gives us and how much more horsepower it wants before I upgrade.


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Sure hope the graphics card is my problem and not something else. It's wierd cause even if I try to load the game in safe mode it immediatly freezes up and crashes.


 

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I actually verified all files this time, then open it in safemode while monitoring it with Widows task manager. The memory usage just kept climbing and climbing. By the time the loggin page came up, it was using upto 580k and still climbing so I ended the process. Tried twice more with the same result.

Anyone know why this would be happening? Is it cause my graphix card went bad? I don't get why it would be using so much memory like that.


 

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How do I display my total memory? I bought two more memory sticks and stuck em in the slots, but I'm not sure they are working. How do I make sure the computer is using 4 GB now instead of the 2GB I had before?


 

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Bring up the task manager (Ctrl-Alt-Del or click on the task bar). Select the Performance tab and look at the number next to Total in the box labeled Physical Memory (K), it's in kilobytes. 2GB is 2097152.


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I actually verified all files this time, then open it in safemode while monitoring it with Widows task manager. The memory usage just kept climbing and climbing. By the time the loggin page came up, it was using upto 580k and still climbing so I ended the process. Tried twice more with the same result.

Anyone know why this would be happening? Is it cause my graphix card went bad? I don't get why it would be using so much memory like that.
The game has a 'memory leak'. I've had this happen repeatedly. It uses more and more RAM over the course of playing then, when I try to use Wentworth's or just zone, it will crash. At the time of the crash, it will be using approximately 1.3GB of RAM.


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Bring up the task manager (Ctrl-Alt-Del or click on the task bar). Select the Performance tab and look at the number next to Total in the box labeled Physical Memory (K), it's in kilobytes. 2GB is 2097152.

It's just over 3.1 million. Does this mean one of my four 1GB memory sticks is either not pushed in all the way or broken? Should be over 4 million KB if all four are working correctly...right?


 

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Here's an artical you may want to read.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...g94-reportedly

I own an Nvidia 8800 GT 512 and I crash once in a while. I count myself lucky as I bought one that had a superior cooler installed from the factory. It's served me well for 2 years. I'm no fanboy of either ATI or Nvidia, and since ATI has made some very nice improvements in their OpenGL support, my next card will prolly be one of theirs. Unless you have money to burn the HD 5870 may be a bit pricey, a good alternative would be to grab the 5850 instead. It's not all that much slower, and even when GR comes out you'll probably still be able to turn everything to max settings. If you go NVidia I'd wait for the prices to drop first. As of yet they haven't gone down much, only because the new ATI cards are a bit hard to find.

BTW,The maximum memory used by XP 32 bit is 3.25 gigs.

I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but you can use task manager to clear your memory if ya want or need. Just do the control, alt ,delete as had been mentioned. Then in the apps tab find CoHs, right click and minimize the game and then maximize it again. You've just freed up memory.


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Here's an artical you may want to read.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...g94-reportedly

I own an Nvidia 8800 GT 512 and I crash once in a while. I count myself lucky as I bought one that had a superior cooler installed from the factory. It's served me well for 2 years. I'm no fanboy of either ATI or Nvidia, and since ATI has made some very nice improvements in their OpenGL support, my next card will prolly be one of theirs. Unless you have money to burn the HD 5870 may be a bit pricey, a good alternative would be to grab the 5850 instead. It's not all that much slower, and even when GR comes out you'll probably still be able to turn everything to max settings. If you go NVidia I'd wait for the prices to drop first. As of yet they haven't gone down much, only because the new ATI cards are a bit hard to find.

BTW,The maximum memory used by XP 32 bit is 3.25 gigs.

I'm not sure it's been mentioned, but you can use task manager to clear your memory if ya want or need. Just do the control, alt ,delete as had been mentioned. Then in the apps tab find CoHs, right click and minimize the game and then maximize it again. You've just freed up memory.
Thanks. I figured out is was cause my windows Xp is 32 bit. I'm getting Windows 7 next week so I should get full use of my 4GB then.

As far as the graphics card, I went with an ATI HD 4670. I got a great deal on it and it seems to be more than enough card for my needs.


 

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I am also using an 8800GT (XFX model) and I don't have any thermal problems. Just finished playing for an hour and my GPU temp is 51C.

In case it hasn't been suggested yet, turn off your computer, open the side cover and make sure there is no dust in the GPU's fan area (use a can of compressed air and blow it out). I do that every 6 months and I am surprised at the amount of dust that gathers there. This affects thermal efficiency resulting in higher temperatures.

Next... again, if not already asked, make sure you are not running CUDA based applications while you play (SETI@Home, etc.) as they push your GPU to the limit!


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Again, the card was bad. I've replaced it and all is well.