I'd recommend Dual Blades/Willpower. It's a classic, likely because they were introduced at the same time, but they also play well together. I have both that and a Super Strength/Willpower Brute at 50. Both were a lot of fun.
As warning and/or encouragement, they didn't feel particularly similar in play. Willpower kind of fades into the background, so the primaries tend to end up defining the character, and the two primaries feel pretty different to me. And of course there's no fury. So if you're worried about repeating Willpower, I wouldn't worry about it. But if you're expecting it to play exactly like your Brute, that probably won't be the case either.
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Originally Posted by Emissary
As the title says, I'm looking to make a Dual Blades scrapper. I'm trying to decide what his secondary will be. My favorite character has been my SS/WP brute and I'm open to making the scrapper WP, I'd just like the opinion of the scrapper experts. This will be for all around PVE,both solo and teamed. Thanks
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WP just fits so many concepts (my Spines/WP for example is more of a darkity type...it's basically a reroll of my Spines/Dark), even more so with power customization.
My suggestions for DB pairing...
/INV toggles, passives, and a click power that doesn't need to be hit often.
/SR PB on auto gets hit pretty often, but not to bad otherwise.
/DA just for the coolness factor of it.
Lvl one up to lvl 35, but rerolled for RP reasons./FA just like /DA, coolness factor. But you'll hit your heal even more often than /DA in my experience.
/Regen to clicky to use with DB in my opinion.
/ELEC, havent tried it, so can't say on it.
...so if your not going to go for concept (which is what I go by for deciding the power sets), and looking strictly for a IO out and lay waste toon...hmmm...imo...DB/INV can be made sweet, and can be made tough
And you just don't see alot of /INV scrapper anymore.
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Thanks for the quick replies. WP, SR, and Invul seem the best for me so far.
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Originally Posted by Emissary
Thanks for the quick replies. WP, SR, and Invul seem the best for me so far.
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My personal fav is db/invul since herding them close to you gives you a def/to hit buff.
WP is good too for the same reason except its a regen buff. The taunt is rather weak but still works. Its almost a non issue if solo.
DB/ela is cool. All that sapping and slashing going on at once rules. The downside is they run way too much for my taste.
Db/fire is dmg dmg and more dmg. Nuff said.
DB/DA gives you all kinds of control. Just be mindful of the endurance issues.
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Don't forget DB / SR, aka the "swashbuckler" build. You don't really need a taunt aura... stay close to the tank on teams to get max targets, and if solo they all aggro you anyway. I've never found runners to be that big a deal...
The fun thing about DB / SR is that you get a 20% recharge boost power and you have very few click powers disrupting your combos. You need about 35% global recharge to pull off Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals, which is pretty much your best possible DPS chain that doesn't require near perma-Hasten level recharge. Quickness gets you more than halfway there, meaning you need almost no +recharge from IOs to get optimum DPS... that's a big help in build planning. You can focus on softcapping and regen and possibly skip Aid Self entirely, or at least minimize how often you use it. You also get to skip Hasten since it does nothing for you unless you are chasing one of those insane recharge chains or spamming Typhoon's Edge instead of using combos.
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You Know...that is why I love my DB/regen it is so clicky it is a blast to play...but different people like different things
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My only gripe with DB / Regen would be that interrupting combos can make a serious dent in your DPS unless you are using an extreme recharge build. I'd much rather use Katana for /Regen simply because it also has nice flowing sword animations but doesn't doesn't lose any damage if you pop a heal at the wrong time.
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Yes, but activating Non-DB powers does not interrupt the combos, so you're Fine with Regen.
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If you hit one heal your not going to interrupt your combos. DB combos stay up for about 2 sec so hitting your heal...Dull pain...MoG...IH you still have time to get your combos off. Now if you need to hit more then one then yes you will Interrupt your combos. I only do one with minds so it is not that bad and it is not that big of a lost of DPS if I need to hit more then one thing.
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Originally Posted by StrykerX
My only gripe with DB / Regen would be that interrupting combos can make a serious dent in your DPS unless you are using an extreme recharge build. I'd much rather use Katana for /Regen simply because it also has nice flowing sword animations but doesn't doesn't lose any damage if you pop a heal at the wrong time.
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Good to know... I thought the animation on the Regen clicks was long enough for the combo to time out. I guess if you really love clicky powersets DP / Regen would be perfect then.
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Well I decided on Invul for the secondary. I worked on him during double xp weekend and he is at level 40. I've been searching for some sample builds that I can use as something to work towards. Would anyone be willing to help? I'm looking for something without purple and PVP sets. Anything else is fine. The one old guide I found advised using the attack vitals and sweep attack chains but would require a good amount of recharge. Is this still up to date?
Using Attack Vitals and Sweep or just Attack Vitals is still up to date. If recharge is a problem, I recommend Attack Vitals -> Power Slice. It'll get the job done too.
However, one thing you may want to aim for on Invuln is perma Dull Pain. It doesn't require HUGE recharge, but it requires enough that spamming Attack Vitals shouldn't be a problem. Another thing to shoot for is the defensive soft cap. Hitting both might be tricky.
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Actually it doesn't require a lot of recharge at all. You can't chain Attack Vitals -> Attack Vitals, you have to either add an attack or a short pause in between to get the next combo to start properly. Since Blinding Feint is a stackable damage / to-hit buff that's the obvious choice for filler.|
Originally Posted by Emissary
Anything else is fine. The one old guide I found advised using the attack vitals and sweep attack chains but would require a good amount of recharge. Is this still up to date?
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Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals is a very solid attack chain and it only needs 127% recharge in Blinding Feint and less in the Attack Vitals powers. With good recharge slotting you only need 35-40% global recharge which isn't that hard to come by (especially if you go /SR and have Quickness). BF -> Sweep does take more rechrge (around 75% global) but BF -> AV -> Sweep needs no global recharge at all and is still decent for crowds.
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Oops, yeah, definitely use Blinding Feint.
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As the title says, I'm looking to make a Dual Blades scrapper. I'm trying to decide what his secondary will be. My favorite character has been my SS/WP brute and I'm open to making the scrapper WP, I'd just like the opinion of the scrapper experts. This will be for all around PVE,both solo and teamed. Thanks