So... What does it take to kill a +4 AV?

I've heard that 93 dps is enough when fighting a +0. However, how much will it take to kill a +4 AV? I'm thinking something around 200 dps on a +0 would equate to around enough damage to beat a +4. Do attacks deal 43% of normal damage to +4s? That's what I'm remembering.

I ask because I really want to tackle some +4s on my DM/Shield when he's complete.

That's a good question. I'd like to know as well.

I'd also like to know how to get a 54 AV to fight other than running an STF.

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Well, the purple patch is going to reduce your damage by 52% before being further reduced by resistance so that's going to hurt you. I forget how many hit points a level 54 AV has, but I know that they've got more they regenerate more hp/sec than a level 50 AV. Assuming a regeneration rate of 105 hp/sec for a level 54 AV, you would need to be dealing 218.75 to stalemate. More would be required to defeat the target at all. Assuming roughly 27k hp (probably closer to 28-30k), with 250 DPS, you'd be taking nearly 14 and a half minutes to take down that AV, assuming you can keep it up for that long.

Set the mission level to 54-54

Alright, I'm going to do some research.


It seems like AE just won't spawn AVs over 52. It doesn't matter what their level range is or the spawn range of the mission. I tried putting the following in:


Scirroco
Ghost Widow
Black Scorpian
Mako
Lord Recluse

And all of those only spawn 54-54.


However, I do know that AVs tend to regenerate at a rate of .33% a sec. At 32000 life, that would be equal to 105.6 hps. With the purple patch effecting that, you'd need 220 dps to stalemate, which I would translate into needed 240 to 260 dps to take one down in any small amount of time. Anything with over about 20% resistance would be pretty much impossible, but I think a DM/Shield would be able to defeat most +4 AVs.

On top of that you'd have a 39% chance tohit base instead of a 75% chance. This means you would need 140% accuracy enhancementin order to still have a 95% tohit chance. With the Kismet IO, that goes down to 111% of accuracy enhancement. Additional tohit bonuses will decrease the amount of accuracy needed considerably. For example, if I hit 7 targets with Soul Drain, the amount needed would go down to 86.7%. With tactics and Soul Drain and the Kismet IO. the amount needed goes down to 66.7% accuracy.

Defense wise, my guess would be that you'd need soft-cap defense and around 40-60 hps in order to survive. Having some resistance would be nice as well. A +4 lt will have 8.05% tohit chance. I would think an AV has a bonus to that, so around a 10% tohit chance at softcap.

I'm going to make some assumptions now. Let's say the following AV has 3 attacks. These attacks deal 400, 800, 1200 damage each. It take roughly 6 seconds to animate those attacks. Now, if the AV was constantly attacking using each of the three attacks around the same amount, they would be dealing around 400 dps. A character with soft-capped defenses would take that to around 40 dps. A character with soft-capped defense and around 20% resistance would take that to 32 dps. 32 dps is very survivable with a self-heal, such as Siphon Life.

For many reasons, I think that DM/Shield is probably the best suited to fighting +4 AVs (as a scrapper). First, it will be one of the few sets able to deal out over 200 dps. The chain of SL-Smite-MG-Smite will deal over 250 dps when adding in procs, Soul Drain at 7, and AAO at 10. That same chain will also be considerable mitigation, because Siphon Life is a huge defense. At 91.78% heal enhancment, and 139.4% maxhp, it would be putting out 53 hps.

The hardest part about the AV soloing will be keeping the endurance up. DM helps with that too, in the form of Dark Consumption. As long as your endurance doesn't bottom out before DC recharges, you'd keep your endurance.

This is the build I'm planning on using, taking all of the above into consideration. If you haven't guessed yet, the plan of the build is to solo the STF. I believe that I will be able to do so, with enough temps/inspirations. My goal will be not hopefully not use any temps/inspirations until the last mission.

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Even on invincible they are spawning at 52 (Avs like Positron which I know go up to 54). Could someone who thinks it's possible post a mission with one? I would love to be able to try my hand.

The former. I add the 54-54 enemy from the longbow, and add the AV Positron. Everything in the mission spawns as 54 except Positron who spawns at 52.

It doesn't work I was trying to do it too, and they only spawn at lvl 52. Now that is solo so you might need to be on a team to have them spawn at lvl 54.

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Went in solo and got a lvl 54 Black Scorpion just fine

Try going in on heroic

Aren't there two versions of the STF/RSF AVs in AE? Ones that spawn normally (up to 52) and the 54 ones from the TFs themselves? Thats what I remember seeing when I was messing with it a few weeks back, dunno if its changed.

Weird, I'll have to try that.