Getting kicked off an ITF

I've read it all, and whatever I could say about the situation has been (exhaustively) said.

But let me add it reminds me of WoW and the (large) ammount of tales about someone gathering a team to do a dungeon and stating they *only* want the drop from the last boss, and if everyone is okay with not rolling if it drops, to which everyone agrees.

And then roll anyway when the time comes.

I have had a similar experience while leveling my fire/shield in zOmg radio missions. I was in a team with a stone tanker whom seemed confident in his abilities as a tanker. So me being me I ran wherever I wanted to whenever I wanted to and they just happened to follow me. Eventually the tanker stopped granite and just literally /e sit behind us and said "Call me when you guys need me." He still followed the team, but he didn't even try to steal aggro from me since I guess it was futile.

Oh and to the OP if I were you, I'd just do scrapper only tfs cause then no one cares for anything, but killing and carnage. Can do 30-40 minute itfs, not as good as speed runs but a lot more fun.

There are at least three sides to every story.

That said, I'm withholding judgment on the Stone Tanker/Leader and the rest of the team since we haven't heard their side of the story. Sure, they might have been a green team, but we don't know if they were playing like rookies because they were rookies or because they were experienced noobs.

As for Pine, I see him/her whining that he/she got kicked from the team at best, bragging that he/she inspired scrapper envy at worse. Hey, I've seen some great players who have done some great things on this forum and in the actual game. Still, some act like jackasses on a team, and I would never willingly team with them.

I can safely assume that we all play to have fun here. If you are on a team, then you should try to contribute to the enjoyment of the team. You make a small commitment to be a team player, so you should act like it. I don't care what your normal play style is or what you think it best for yourself. Think about the other team members as well. And that's what the Pine is guilty of. Already, we see the OP bragging that he did this and that on the ITF, claiming leadership of the team as well as showing up the Stone Tanker. Big deal. I'm not impressed. I've seen it before. I'd rather team with a less experienced team that I know that I will have fun with (albeit at a slower pace) rather than tolerate a hotshot teammate who casually ignores other teammates. And hey, if being a hotshot is fun for you, then make sure that you give a chance to everyone else on the team. And if you think that the team is slowing you down, then quit and go solo; you might be happier that way.

Now, did the tanker/leader overreact? I can't say without knowing that side of the story. Hell, the leader could have been receiving tells from other teammates against Pine. I don't know. I don't care. But Pine did act counter to what the Tanker wanted to do. The fact that Pine admits to forgetting what was told to him/her tells me that Pine probably was not being mindful to his/her teammates. That already puts a small question to his/her credibility when we only know one side.

Ok. After reading all the good comments, I just have a few things to add to the discussion.

1) I did not see the part of his message when he said all he wanted to do was tank Rom.
(He sent the message at 08-04-2009 18:45:15, I was kicked at 08-04-2009 19:32:02) Even if I had seen the message, I had about 45 minutes to forget it, and I am in general a very forgetful person.
2) No one seemed to have a problem throughout the whole ITF. We had many fun conversations, and in general enjoyed each others company (as far as I know).
3) I got kicked with no warning. This is what really bugged me. No tell, no team message. Nothing. I had to send a tell to another team mate to find out why I got kicked.
4) I in no way surmise that what I was doing was the way to play the game. I was just enjoying my scrapper (cause I had recently finished IOing him). If the team wasn't able to keep up, or was having difficulties, I definitely would have slowed down, let the tank tank and protected the squishies. I was simply testing my build.

I do not want to paint the picture that I was blameless, because I was not. But I do like people to tell me if they have a problem, instead of just taking the harshest action against me.

And the best I can do to give both sides of the story is to present the chat log, so, if you want it, I can PM it (if it isn't against the forum regulations)

:Edited to fix a typo X0

I just want to throw this out there...

I am not going to defend eighther side here. but, I will say I have read a thread like this once or twice and they always get under my skin. Why? because my first post onthese boards like years ago was in response to one of these that was about me.

My namesake was made in I2, with no forum help and min/max etc out the window. I picked whatever looked cool, whatever helped me out, etc. I made a skranker, when skranker was a dirty word. So a guy I teamed with made a thread about how he wished he could show me "what I was missing" and "what i have wrong", namely, how I hadnt made a giant meatball to aggro whole maps for someone else to defeat. My tank was built to fight, I used to laugh in Founder falls, Jose escalante used to routinely dump lvl 39 devouring earth on players when they went to talk to him. At lvl 30-ish, I would fight them, and win.

i had a tank that could fight plus 10's, and win, and here was this giant pity thread about my character. I was pissed.

Maybe that stone tank was a n00b, maybe he heard granite was awsome through AE spam, wouldnt surprise me given the state of new player initiation in atlas park right now. Maybe he is a 50 month vet, and is just a bad player, maybe he is a 12 year old, maybe he was like me and just had an odd build and wanted "to see".

maybe he was justified in kicking Pine, maybe he was an ***.

All I know is coming here and getting a bunch of people to heckle a guy/gal they never met is pretty small of Pine, EVEN if the tank was a total *** and kicked him just because. I think the phrase "let he who has no sin cast the first stone" fits here. people need to just get along.

I feel for you getting kicked Pine, with no warning or a "hey back off I want to try" or anything, the tank could have handled that better- especially being a TF. but dont come here and get a pity crowd going and wreck that guys rep. over one incident. be bigger then that.

I got kicked from the ITF once but not for the reason the OP listed.

My team was just inside the first mission. I got a vibe from the tank right off that she wasn't happy, though I didn't know what about. After the first 2-3 groups, she says that she doesn't think we can finish with the team we're using (I forget the exact makeup). We keep going to the next group where a controller dies and quits. I then say "We're already down 2 people, we should prob quit and reform." The team leader replies "Oh yeah watch this." & I'm at the load screen.

I run into the tank that quit a minute later, and she tells me that that was the second try she was on with that team leader, and he was a jerk... that's why she really quit. I was still ticked at being kicked, though.

Just found out about this thread last night and wanted to post a reply because I'm the guy that kicked Pine off the task force.
Just to set the record straight I'm a veteran player that's been here since beta with a couple of vacations away from the game at various times.My main is a Dark Melee/Regen scrapper and yes my Stone Tank was power leveled in AE during double experience weekend.
I've ran that particular task force successfully on my main at least 12 times or more with some very good players (Leo-Yo-Sha, Mintmiki, Cyber-Crusader etc) with zero problems and a lot of fun.
I started the task force with the express purpose of seeing how well I could tank Romulus and I made it very clear from the outset what my intentions were.Pine was invited because we needed more damage not a pseudo-tank to take my place because I was too slow.I have two ranges slotted in teleport to mitigate that factor but the truth of the matter is I wasn't given a chance. Pine did state that he liked a challenge and he might run ahead but what he didnt tell you was he ran far ahead of all of us,caused a number of people to die because he couldnt hold aggro,and pretty much ruined the fun of at least two people who were experiencing the content for the first time.This was never advertised as a speed mission, our challenge settings were set at 2 hours.
In short it very quickly became all about him and his amazing uber-leetness.He may have been surviving but the rest of us weren't doing so well. A couple of times our Rad Defender couldn't get her Ra's off to everyone because he would aggro two or three groups at a time,couldn't hold the aggro and had the team spread out too widely for us to be very effective.I pulled as many as I could to me each time and we mopped up the damage while he ran off to the next group of mobs. At this point there was no team, no taking a rest, waiting for Ra's to come up, waiting for people to get back from the hospital etc.
Third mish, Pine pulled BOTH AV's before any of us had a chance to catch our breath from the last battle and kept taunting them off of me,I had to taunt the minions to keep them off of everyone else. Note: not everyone in our group had the survivability of a tank or scrapper and once again the only person Pine was really concerned about was himself.He even told me to stop taunting the last Av because it was HIS.
When we reached the last mish he once again jumped ahead of everyone and started the fight solo with the bad guys on the platform, we arrived in time to start mopping up the damage once again and before we were even finished he jumped ahead and started soloing Romulus.At this point in time I'd had it with him and his lack of being a team player (I had said from the outset that Romulus was mine)so I kicked him.It wasn't really fair to rest of the team and I am sorry about that, we did wipe twice and 15 minutes later the game came down for an emergency update so I don't know if we would have been able to finish even with him.
Pine, I strongly recommend you have yourself checked for ADHD, looking back over your post at the spelling mistakes, the way you started off stating that you were bored and the way you play while supposedly on a team is a strong indication that somethings not right.
As far as the people saying they want my global because they'll never team with me your'e welcome to have it,because if that's your idea of what a good player is like you've spent way to much time in AE yourself and you don't have a clue what this games all about.

i disagree with a number of your statements Rraven, but i can understand that you feel insulted and defensive, so i'm not going to waste both your time and mine with an argument. Also, paragraphs/line breaks improve readability.

Actually, i think i'd be willing to team with both you and Pine, as i'd be interested in comparing playstyles. What server was all this?

Now that we've got both ends of the story, we can conclude that both parties are ***es; and neither of their actions are justifiable.

Having just ran an ITF with a similar scrapper I have to say it's annoying. Firstly, not every ITF is a "Quick" ITF. I don't enjoy or like quick ITF's, and when I join someone elses, I take a back seat and run it how they want it to be run. So if they want to run a quick ITF I'm fine with it. But when I'm running an ITF, I generally don't like to take all of the short cuts. I do the basics - I like to go to the beach in the third mission, and straight to the plaza in the fourth, but I don't like speeding through the second mission, and I don't like speed running through the first. I've found that if not everyone is on the same page those are not fun missions at all.
The other day at the begining someone asked me if it was a quick ITF, and I said, "No, I expect it will last somewhere between an hour and an hour and a half. I won't waste time, but I won't take all the short cuts either." Yet at every turn the scrapper decided to do what he wanted to do, and got a lot of people killed because of ambushes that he couldn't find it in himself to take care of. While I was on my tank I can't tank the 17 people that I currently have on me as well as the ambush that just arrived. While I respect scrappers who IO the hell out of themselves and can do things that no one else can, I don't respect the scrapper that knows what he's joined and proceeds to make it annoying for the man who recruited him.
This seems eerielly like a similar run to one of mine.

This thread pretty well encapsulates the reasons why all-scrapper ITFs are becoming so popular on Freedom. They're run nightly (or almost nightly), and I've had the good fortune to get on a few of them.

On an all-scrapper ITF, nobody expects you to be a meatshield even if you aren't specced to play that role. Nobody expects you to gather for buffs, or wait for anything to happen. They just expect you to help achieve the objectives. Those objectives are clear, and the scrappers just go and do what scrappers do best. And if anyone dies, they've nobody to blame but themselves. Like BillZ said, "They die laughing, hit the hospital and are back before we know they're gone."

Of course, I never die...

Scrapper/Brute ITFs and all-melee ITFs (with Tankers and Stalkers too) are fun as well.

I've only done a handful of these (as opposed to, oh maybe 100 non-themed ITFs), but they are fun. Much, much fun. And fast. Not the fastest I've seen, but definitely not slow. Body count tends to be pretty high, too, which has brought me purple recipes on my last two outings.

I highly recommend them.

Originally Posted by Blue_Mourning View Post
And if it makes it less fun for the rest of the team? Or even more difficult for the rest of the team? What's there left to do? Don't invite really good scrappers?

That's where the problem comes in, in your mind that's what makes a really good scrapper right??? WRONG.That's what makes a really good SOLO scrapper.Were talking about being on a team here, nuff said!

If you go back and look at all of Pine's posts it becomes abundantly clear that all he was trying to do was test his IO build and he didn't care about anyone else on the team.Yeah he said if he'd have known we were in trouble he would have came back blah blah blah but he never even bothered to check.I only buy so many excuses from someone ie "I'm very forgetful" or "I didn't realize" before I realize theyve been making excuses for themselves their whole life.
He posted here on the scrapper forums because it was the best place to find someone to agree with him and his bad behavior and honestly I'm over it.I'm not going to let one seriously selfish, egotistical 14 year old with a bad case of ADHD ruin my gameplay experience and frankly if you share the same views as him I'd rather not team with you anyway.

hmmm, after reading Pine own soloist-mentality accounts of the topic, i was really wanting to agree with the tanker, but after reading Rraven childish name calling, i'm more inclined to agree with Setheral.

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Originally Posted by Setheral Now that we've got both ends of the story, we can conclude that both parties are ***es; and neither of their actions are justifiable.

Finaly. Now to hear from someone else on that team to close this matter. Based on the tank's own words, pine did stuff he didn't approve of. But not once did he give a warning. I'm sure he wouldn't have left that out with his talks of pine having ADHD and all. Seriously, all this could have been avoided with a /tell giving him a warning about taking on more then he can aggro and and a simple "pine, hold up!" In the team chat douring the last mission. So, both are at fault for different reasons. All of that could have avoided with more communication. Now if the reply would have been "screw you. Yall are moving too slow" kicking would have been justified. Well. It is what it is. I've been kicked over someone missreading a comment I made the other day and it reminded me of this thread. I just loled, made a note about the leader being an idiot and moved on. With that being said... Moving on...