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A mate of mine got his shield/ice 1-50 dying once.
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A guy i know got his character to lvl50, never died and was still lvl2 when went back to atlas.
Dying (or being defeated) is relative to your team (good/bad etc), the missions you do and how 'on the edge' you like to fight.
(how many i've seen falling against stuff like psi king, not knowning he can 1 shot alot of people).
Although i had a shielder in the team last night, with my thermal and a fellow sonic defender he was quite indestructable. Then again, nearly every AT would be such if they had thermal and sonic buffs.
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Although i had a shielder in the team last night, with my thermal and a fellow sonic defender he was quite indestructable. Then again, nearly every AT would be such if they had thermal and sonic buffs.
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Indeed, but under those circumstances, the advantage of the Shield tank is that they can buff you back (and probably contribute more DPS than most tankers).
I really should do something about this signature.
Edit: my reply was for starcrash who keeps complaining that shield tanks are squishy. Spend 30 million inf on ios and you can softcap by 31. Earlier if you want to make some sacrifices and use maneuvers for 15 million inf.
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Indeed, but under those circumstances, the advantage of the Shield tank is that they can buff you back (and probably contribute more DPS than most tankers).
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We have kins for that 
But like i said, shields are just as _good_ as the other sets. Why people keep pondering over 'arguments' why XX is better then shields or shields better then XX.. dont know. (like you just did now also - more than most), it works on a total different level.
But i still check my 'goodness' based on common IO's or SO's. crafted IO's are bonus, not 'essential'.
Each situation can you think up some tanker that will be 'better' then the others, but doesnt mean the others cant 'perform' for their job. A granite has SB, ice/shield got resist-buffs, fire/dark got defence buffs, inv/WP err.. mix of those. Achillesheals and advantages, at the end its just to complete the mission.
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With a 20' aoe a Shield tanker will be able to do more with the kin buffs than most other tankers.
But yes, I agree with you, Shields isn't better or worse, it is as good as.
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It's hard to die being /Ice.
Lemme see mine, 1st debt badge yet? No. Died? Yes but one was lag crash and I also loaded into an ambush but was too busy typing on forums to do anything.
Every other set holds up without blowing 30 million at lvl 30. That's not a sodding answer to peoples problems should they have any and a bit well over the top in my opinion.
Anyone having probs may want some other tanker to simply see what's going wrong. It may not be what the tanker with probs does it maybe that other people play against powerset designs of key team members.
No Tanker is supposed to stand there and take it all for an 8 man team against every enemy type and not need adequate support. Sure you can beef it after gambling at WWs but after picking Shields its not expected that you live in WW and/or see it as a necessity.
Edit: Oh and one truly rubbish PuG full of solo artists with no clue in the early levels.
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Every other set holds up without blowing 30 million at lvl 30.
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I know I was being p taking. 30 million is not a fixed figure to put things right. I wouldn't necessarily need a single IO in a Shield tank or on a firetank to tank any AV, you play to its and other peoples strengths and they're fine. I just can't stand things being considered fine after you spent so much inf on stuff that's not even needed in PvE.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I know I was being p taking. 30 million is not a fixed figure to put things right. I wouldn't necessarily need a single IO in a Shield tank or on a firetank to tank any AV, you play to its and other peoples strengths and they're fine. I just can't stand things being considered fine after you spent so much inf on stuff that's not even needed in PvE.
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You're contradicting yourself there.
You're sayign they fine without IOs, then you say you can't stand em being fine after spending inf...
which is it? 
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You're contradicting yourself there.
You're sayign they fine without IOs, then you say you can't stand em being fine after spending inf...
which is it?
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If you play to the limits of a party, every AT or build can be 'fine', such as shannon says. However the startpost 'considered' the shield build to be 'fine' with spending 30mil inf.
But i'm a resist player, not a defence one.I want to see reduction in numbers, not 'lucky' misses.
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I know I was being p taking. 30 million is not a fixed figure to put things right. I wouldn't necessarily need a single IO in a Shield tank or on a firetank to tank any AV, you play to its and other peoples strengths and they're fine. I just can't stand things being considered fine after you spent so much inf on stuff that's not even needed in PvE.
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You're contradicting yourself there.
You're sayign they fine without IOs, then you say you can't stand em being fine after spending inf...
which is it?
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Its not me contradicting. I am not the one saying they're fine after spending 30 mill. Its me being not so much satirical, but a little p taking if we "assume" its fine after 30 mill spent or with haste, fight pool or med pool.
I am not keen on (I know Practised Brawler is in the same basket) recharge mezz prot that doesn't perma using basic enh on a Tank. It's not good imo. The OWS is just live with-able but I am not 100% sure it's quite the well balanced "get out of jail" power.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
It's perma with 2 SOs. Most people I know use 3 for safety.
Yes but I want it perma with DOs for low level tanking. The fact Invulns wait to lvl 18 for their aura is a pita an all.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Either way, Im no longer going to argue over this, but if you think shields are that good, play one.
Compared to another tank without sets at 50 you will die the fastest guaranteed. Defence doesnt work when you have a mass concentration of attacks unless you hit cap.
People can argue on here all they want, but go and actually play one and see if you still feel they are gods gift to tanking. Having raised a few tankers to 50, this was the only one ive ever deleted because it was just awful.
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A mate of mine got his shield/ice 1-50 dying once.