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Repeatedly causing debt on purpose is griefing
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Not to everyone it isn't. And the act of causing debt as an action isn't against the EULA, it's a tactic.
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Please explain how deliberately causing someone debt is a tactic? These are your words and Im all ears
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Sorry I meant TPing into mobs is a tactic, causing debt is a result of this action and the action isn't against the EULA.
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Repeatedly causing debt on purpose is griefing
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Not to everyone it isn't. And the act of causing debt as an action isn't against the EULA, it's a tactic.
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Please explain how deliberately causing someone debt is a tactic? These are your words and Im all ears
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Sorry I meant TPing into mobs is a tactic, causing debt is a result of this action and the action isn't against the EULA.
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In your opinion that is, and yet as the EULA shows quite clearly in its oh so ambiguous way, if the other person feels they are been abused/harrassed/greifed then it is.
Do what you want, play how you want, send petitions if you are feeling wronged and if a ban is in order it will be forthcoming and changes will result Im sure.
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Its your fault
Its your computers fault
Its your ISPs fault
The "Action" isnt but if the person feels that it harrassment or abusive it is. Looks like we are going round in circles.
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Sorry I meant TPing into mobs is a tactic, causing debt is a result of this action and the action isn't against the EULA.
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Your not reading the whole statement.
Repeatedly causing debt on purpose is griefing.
Teleporting the same person a few times or more, into a Mob that kills them everytime, within 5 minutes, with no intention of attacking is griefing. Therefore against the EULA.
That's what I already said 
But the actual action of doing it is not against the EULA. What is (apparantly) against the EULA is how the person on the receiving end feels.
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But the actual action of doing it is not against the EULA. What is (apparantly) against the EULA is how the person on the receiving end feels.
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Most people will let the GMs decide, and petition anyway. Whether the TP into a mob was griefing or not.
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Sorry I meant TPing into mobs is a tactic, causing debt is a result of this action and the action isn't against the EULA.
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Your not reading the whole statement.
Repeatedly causing debt on purpose is griefing.
Teleporting the same person a few times or more, into a Mob that kills them everytime, within 5 minutes, with no intention of attacking is griefing. Therefore against the EULA.
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I am reading the whole thing, but just because you consider it "griefing" doesn't mean other people do.
Basically, The action of repeatedly causing debt isn't against the EULA. Only people feeling "grief" is.
We're all on pretty much on the same song sheet here, we're all a bit miffed by the "wooly" statement that feelings are against the EULA.
If in doubt, petition.
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That's what I already said
But the actual action of doing it is not against the EULA. What is (apparantly) against the EULA is how the person on the receiving end feels.
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And as has already been said it depends if your use of this tactic is to weaken your opponent for you to kill them yourself. If your plan is to dump them there, hold/immob and have a laugh while the mob kills them then quite clearly it is in no uncertain terms greifing.
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And thats the words to live by. We should leave this thread here!
Indeed.
I'm regularly quoted as saying: "Actions are not evil, intentions are"
In pvp I like to be able to talk with the other players, I think the banter between villains and heroes is an important part of the game.
I find the pvp zones boring and a waste of time if there is no possibility of polite interaction, in those situations we might as well all be playing a single player game.
I avoid RV now because of the grief you can get from PLAYING THE GAME...Im not just talking about verbal insults, but the combined actions of allied hero and villain groups who are "working" the turrets together, and systematcly take out anyone who is not part of their SG or VG..
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Yes personally I think a pvp zone without npcs or missions (unless you could in some way enter them to pvp inside) would be a great addition to the game.
Personally I don't mind being teleported into NPCs especially not if the other side is heavily outnumbered. But then following people around and teleporting the same person into big groups of NPCs over and over again just to cause harm and then bragging about it in the broadcast just to upset people would not be good sportsmanship in my eyes whether it's against the EULA or not.
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i should think this is against the eula because it's harrassment, singling someone out to ruin thier experience, not because they're the only squishy or because it is neccesary for the numbers etc, but simply because they are who they are is most definately a form of harrassment.
this topic has been picked to death on many threads at many times, and the same viewpoints have been reiterated ad nauseum. as most union pvp-ers know siren has tp foe, she uses it to catch runaways almost exclusively, i use it to thin numbers during base camps by teledroning, not proud of it, i certainly don't see it as something to brag about but at times the situation demands it. bob and i once were holding off a small army on our own and had to resort to that just to get one real kill out of every 5 deaths of ours. which of course started /b flames. but aside from a small amount of inconveniance and agravation teledroning is harmless. telemobing is another thing altogether. it's effects can still be felt for quite a while after the incident(s) in the form of debt and is something i have never found to be necessary.
Name calling in PvP zones
I think it adds the atmosphere. The way I view it - the more name calling aimed at me (With out talking in chat myself), the better I'm doing. 
As long as it's directed at the avatar and not the player, then it's fine.
@Golden Girl
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On my viallin, I had a hero on the ropes and was well into my villainous monologue about how I'd bested my opponent, I then went on to explain the finer details of my master plan.... Then I was faceplanted.
Curses superhero! I'll get you one day! *credits roll*
Happy days.
"Like War_Hero said, leave it as it is, it toughens up the softies." - Naz Nomad
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As long as it's directed at the avatar and not the player, then it's fine.
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Just on a point then, If I call your character a self-righteous bovine, would that be petitionable?
Yes or No. (Serious question)
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As long as it's directed at the avatar and not the player, then it's fine.
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Just on a point then, If I call your character a self-righteous bovine, would that be petitionable?
Yes or No. (Serious question)
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Even characters have to follow EULA.
If I use those words though, am I actually breaking the EULA?
If I am, that nullifies trashtalk;
If I'm not, can we safely say that non-condemnation/abusive talk is not petitionable?
I've been threatened by petition for saying that certain characers parents didn't marry and that they smell; both reasonable 'trash talk' I would have thought?
For instance, "You fight like a cow" "How appropriate, you dress like a dairy farmer"
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As long as it's directed at the avatar and not the player, then it's fine.
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Just on a point then, If I call your character a self-righteous bovine, would that be petitionable?
Yes or No. (Serious question)
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For me, no - I've never ever petitioned another player for anything.
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Indeed.
I'm regularly quoted as saying: "Actions are not evil, intentions are"
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I thought you it was waffles you most quoted as saying
I agree with GG, name calling of characters is an important part of teh pvp experience. I feel more good humored towards the stalker who says "peekaboo i see you" before AS ET bam bam dead defender, then the one who kills and runs off without a word. Similarly if you said i fight like a cow (have you met my friend Apocalypse Cow?) id fire of a witty reply and it would add flavour to teh pvp and keep me smilingthrough the faceplants.
Where this falls down is when peopel insult the player. This includes all references to people as noobs/n00bs etc as this is a reference to how long you percieve a player to have played for.
In short GG i expect you to continue your Broadcast tirade when im in Sirens, it makes me chuckle
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If I use those words though, am I actually breaking the EULA?
If I am, that nullifies trashtalk;
If I'm not, can we safely say that non-condemnation/abusive talk is not petitionable?
I've been threatened by petition for saying that certain characers parents didn't marry and that they smell; both reasonable 'trash talk' I would have thought?
For instance, "You fight like a cow" "How appropriate, you dress like a dairy farmer"
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Nice reference, btw. No in those cases I wouldnt petition you. If someone calls someone a f***ing idiot like ive seen then they get petitioned character or no character. Proper in-character 'trash-talk' shouldnt get petitioned. Problem is most players seem incapable to understand the concept of in-character. PVP zones are 12+, we need keep it civil.
Besides getting petitioned is not all that important. What matters is do the moderators act on that. If someone says that they petitioned you, that means exactly zip. If you get contacted by a moderator THEN you know you did something wrong. All we can do is hope and demand that the moderators stay sensible.
Only Monkey Island and Black Knight insults should be allowed.
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I do fight like a cow 
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Reading all this discussion there is almost more PvP in here than in the average PvP zone
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*TPs Frosthound into a mob of Forumites*