Booster Pack: Furries!

After the anime hate, I'm surprised to see this one go so well. Surprised and pleased.

And I have to agree. Call it what you will, we need more monster heads, preferably ones that don't look like a de-jawed hog. We have a pretty good cat faces, and cats generally having flatter faces, this tends to work, but people have been asking for an eagle head, an Anubis head, a lion head and so on and so forth. In theory, we currently have six heads. In practice, we have two - one relatively canine with a few options for it, and one lizard/dragon. There are plenty of other options we could use.

Monstrous legs are relatively good for what we have, but also severely limited. Limited, in fact, to only two options, three if you count robotic as "monstrous." We have cloven feet and we have hoofs. Even without thinking AT ALL, I can easily suggest canine/feline "paws" for the monstrous feet, even if they have to be oversized or overthick. Hell, half (exaggerating) of the higher animal kingdom have paws of some sort, at least those that don't have hooves, yet we don't have any options available for those. I'd struggle to think of more options off the top of my head, but surely we could have some more weird and wonderful stuff in there, say like the toe-walking aliens in Independence Day.

Aside from Monstrous legs, having monstrous "feet" (read: boot options) on regular legs would be really cool, and this includes robotic in that category. I've actually seen robotic claws on regular feet photoshopped as a suggestion for Jay, but hooves, claws and paws on regular feet would also be welcome, as would be bird talons and perhaps even frog fins. Just for variety's sake.

Aside from that, the only other thing realistically left to ask for is a few more non-human hands (something that makes sense, unlike those tentacle knots in that other game). We have ONE hand option that's pegged as "monstrous," but all that has is sharp fingertips and bulging knuckles over an otherwise normal hand. I'm talking about interesting things like hand-shaped paws (like you see in just about any cartoon) and more cloven hands, though lobster claws is perhaps asking too much. Thumb-less uni-tentacles might be interesting, as well.

Right! More tails. The ones we have are interesting, but I'd like to see them animated like Wings are, only obviously a LOT simpler. Just something to make them feel a little less like sticks glued to our butts. I kept a demonic tail on a character of mine because I thought it looked cute, but it really just looks like I twisted some bailing wire and stuck if there like some school play costume. Failing that, at least better tails would be in order. Lion tails are what comes to mind, and while I can't think of others offhand, I'm sure there are other good suggestions. Short tails are something interesting, as well. I've made good use of the bunny tail, myself, and being short and stubby, it avoids a lot of the problems longer tails which should swing but don't face. I guess asking for pitbull tails wouldn't be too far off the mark.

Ears are a good call, as well. We have a good enough selection of them, but a few more dog ears (anything other than German Shepherd ears) would be nice. Say, long fluffy Afghan ears, tall but floppy Lab ears, just to name a couple. Cat ears do reasonably well, though a pair of oversized fox ears might be nice. Obviously, if I can suggest an Anubis head, I should also suggest a pair of Anubis ears

Something less doable (as in, it ain't gonna' happen) is my desire to see "with skin" options applied not as colour-mask patterns, but rather as genuine overlaid textures with their own shaders and details. This would allow them to be used as Tights with Skin over textures OTHER than basic human skin, which would allow their use over things like scales, bio-organic, stone or even robotic chests. I'd assume a technological solution similar to what's already being used for chest emblems might be the solution. Interestingly, though, I can't think of another "animalistic" skin texture other than scales. It would be fairly simple to suggest fur, but even with that, there really isn't much else I can think of. Still, just being able to apply tights over things that aren't skin would be a MAJOR breakthrough in my eyes.

Finally, as to the taboo that is the term "furry." You have SomethingAwful and the other "mockery" sites on the 'net looking for an easy score to thank for this being cemented in a lot of Americans' minds. Cosplaying perverts and hideously grotesque fetishes are the easiest to make fun of, but the truth is that if you actually spend some time looking into this, it's more an art style than anything else, and is present in a lot more than just fan-made porn comics. Of course, that's all you'll ever find on the 'net, but here's an interesting thought experiment. Enter "draenei" in Google and see what you come up with. Now count how many female Draenei you see vs. how many males, and how many of said females are fan-drawn. It's a factor of the Internet much more so than a factor of any particular community, movement or franchise. Rule 34, as it were.

It's quite possible to use the art style for the good of mankind and for the making of truly kickass characters. Hell, people are already doing that, and have been doing that since the game launched, though some with more success than others. I absolutely agree with calling it something else (I wanted to say Fury Pack ), and Mutant does seem at least semi-appropriate. Beast Pack or Feral Pack would (should?) work just as well. As long as it keeps people from making a mental connection with their false and disgusting mental image, I guarantee the pack would be well received.

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I doubt it.

Jay dislikes Furries.

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Exactly why I said what I did earlier the crew is more likely to do stuff, if he's unwilling.

I think my mystification with the furry-hate here is that this community above and beyond most others has been demonstrably more tolerant and even recently banding together against trolling bigotry.

Why does it always seem to stop just short of actual tolerance for a reasonably rare and basically harmless side of things? I'm not saying there *are not* people who are pretty foul-ly deviant among the furry crowd, but I am saying that with a tiny bit of thought, you CAN understand that they are in the drastic minority.

But even people I know in person for whatever reason, suddenly get creeped out by "yiff" - the proper term for furry pron. Equating yiff with furry as a term for the same thing is a problem but I don't see THAT being broadly understood any time soon. I love furry pron too, I just don't dress up in costumes to do it.


I also don't dress up in a maid outfit, or a baby's bib, or a leather gimp outfit. How are those any different from having a fursuit? There's an entire community of people who simply don't identify with being "human" out there - way more than most folks like to admit, but it's very simple when it comes down to it.

Shamans have long espoused "animal totems" and such. Ancient cultures have always associated spirits with animals, gods and the like. It's something that is entirely integrated with our society from our ancient roots.

But yet, stick a fur suit on, and suddenly it's point and laugh... doesn't make sense

I used to dress up, but the costume got damaged in an apartment waterleak.

And yes, dressing like that at comic con got me PLENTY of free art.

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Dunno why my post was purged, but reposting as I APPROVE of this. I was just requesting more Scaled things as well. And I second the idea of 'tops with skin' with mroe textures. I don't know how many times I wanted other textures, whether scaled, chitinous or metal that I wanted with skin for females...

Also tops with skin for male would make things that more awesome! Not to mention, I noticed no one did, I want head details with monstrous heads. I'd love to have that reptile head with glasses and a fedora for one of my scaled characters.

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I want... dog, crocodile, eagle, chicken, dragon, cat, etc heads. Scales and fur textues as well >.> gib nao!

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I dunno about calling it a "Furry Booster", but I'm all in favor of more monstrous/animal parts.

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Also tops with skin for male would make things that more awesome! Not to mention, I noticed no one did, I want head details with monstrous heads. I'd love to have that reptile head with glasses and a fedora for one of my scaled characters.

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Accessories with critter heads would be nice, but they may be problematic. I gather that the reason we can't use the existing details with them is that the details are positioned based on the standard heads; they'd clip right into the critter heads, and probably vanish into them entirely. Goggles, for example, would appear where the eyes are on a normal head model, which is inside the critter heads. Any details would probably have to be made specifically for the new heads, which adds a whole new layer of effort. Making all of them work would essentially be doubling the number of detail items in the costume creator, just to support a small subset of heads.

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Exactly why I said what I did earlier the crew is more likely to do stuff, if he's unwilling.

I think my mystification with the furry-hate here is that this community above and beyond most others has been demonstrably more tolerant and even recently banding together against trolling bigotry.

Why does it always seem to stop just short of actual tolerance for a reasonably rare and basically harmless side of things? I'm not saying there *are not* people who are pretty foul-ly deviant among the furry crowd, but I am saying that with a tiny bit of thought, you CAN understand that they are in the drastic minority.

But even people I know in person for whatever reason, suddenly get creeped out by "yiff" - the proper term for furry pron. Equating yiff with furry as a term for the same thing is a problem but I don't see THAT being broadly understood any time soon. I love furry pron too, I just don't dress up in costumes to do it.


I also don't dress up in a maid outfit, or a baby's bib, or a leather gimp outfit. How are those any different from having a fursuit? There's an entire community of people who simply don't identify with being "human" out there - way more than most folks like to admit, but it's very simple when it comes down to it.

Shamans have long espoused "animal totems" and such. Ancient cultures have always associated spirits with animals, gods and the like. It's something that is entirely integrated with our society from our ancient roots.

But yet, stick a fur suit on, and suddenly it's point and laugh... doesn't make sense

I used to dress up, but the costume got damaged in an apartment waterleak.

And yes, dressing like that at comic con got me PLENTY of free art.

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Again, I'll reiterate my earlier point. I'm all for more costume parts, anthropomorphic animal parts included. I'm against using the name furry to describe it though. Not because of what a furry is or isn't, but because of what people perceive them to be. Call it a furry pack, and the first thing that jumps into a lot of people's heads will be that people are using it to dress up like animals and cyber. To most peole, there is no difference between "furry" and "yiff" (a term I'd never heard before today).

It may not be fair to the furry community, and it may not be tolerant, but it's reality. And it's unlikely that the devs will use a name that most people think refers to deviant sexual behavior.

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But MY point is: until people actually don't care any more, by exposure to the "real" furry community, that mistaken definition will continue. What better place than here, to start whittling away at that impression?

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But MY point is: until people actually don't care any more, by exposure to the "real" furry community, that mistaken definition will continue. What better place than here, to start whittling away at that impression?

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Because NCSoft isn't going to explain it all to everyone the moment they announce it. You can sit here explaining it to each person who comes in here. NCSoft can't do that.

Just imagine...

Paragon Studios is proud to announce the Furry Pack! Now remember furry does not mean the same thing you may think it means, etc., etc..

Sorry, but in order to really break through the misunderstanding you're going to need a more widespread form of media to do it since that is what messed up your reputation in the first place.

You need a movie (maybe a situational romantic comedy) that exposes the real furry community to the world. Until you get something like that people will assume what they have already seen in that media when the word is spoken/written.

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Mickey Mouse. Donald Duck. Bugs Bunny. Lion King. Spirit. The Brave Little Toaster. (all anthropomorphic)

Like I said, there was an interview on tv with an east coast Furry con group and it was fantastic. With more coverage like that, it'll be easier. Also I think as time goes by, the "costumery" aspect of things is becoming more pervasive especially given Anime conventions having HUGE numbers of cosplayers.

With that generation of kids growing up knowing that it's absolutely acceptable to parade around in costume as a character ... I don't see the furry hate lasting TOO much longer.

Now if only we could get those freaks that CSI emulated to stop existing... :P

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I would call it a monster pack, or beastly pack, but otherwise, signed to the high heavens and back. maybe for the "hook" we could get those animated tails that were asked for in BETA. but yeah, more insect stuff, more fox stuff, more sea themed stuff(that would bea two for one thing for me) more tails, more details added to beastly heads, more lion stuff, oh, and maybe, MORE FRIGGING DRAGON STUFF!!!!!!

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I am hoping and praying that any Mutation booster pack is more than just 'furry' options. I wanna see stuff like the Lost Mutates' and Anethemas' Lobster Boy hands, cyclops faces, webbed feet and beards for ladies.

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I have a feeling that if they put everything we'd HOPE for in the Mutation pack, it'd be like a 30$ investment

Multiple eyes, eyestalks (OH that would rule), bigger tails, smaller tails, messed up arms, weird legs, squished head... SQUID head...





need moar.

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I have a feeling that if they put everything we'd HOPE for in the Mutation pack, it'd be like a 30$ investment

Multiple eyes, eyestalks (OH that would rule), bigger tails, smaller tails, messed up arms, weird legs, squished head... SQUID head...





need moar.

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Headless option.

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I wish - actually one time I hit "random" to enter an ugly-costume contest and wound up with a toon whose top head was MISSING. You could see the mohawk all the way down to its roots inside the "skull" area, and the face was mostly there, but where the hairline was was NOTHING.

It was actually kinda creepy... o.o

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I have a feeling that if they put everything we'd HOPE for in the Mutation pack, it'd be like a 30$ investment

Multiple eyes, eyestalks (OH that would rule), bigger tails, smaller tails, messed up arms, weird legs, squished head... SQUID head...





need moar.

[/ QUOTE ]for all that, i would pay that sum.

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I demand monster heads that allow you to select hats.

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I would call it a monster pack, or beastly pack, but otherwise, signed to the high heavens and back. maybe for the "hook" we could get those animated tails that were asked for in BETA. but yeah, more insect stuff, more fox stuff, more sea themed stuff(that would bea two for one thing for me) more tails, more details added to beastly heads, more lion stuff, oh, and maybe, MORE FRIGGING DRAGON STUFF!!!!!!

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And undead versions of all of them!

How else am I going to really do justice to my "Spawn of the Nekonomicon" All-undead-catgirl villain group? The Hai Preest is waiting!

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Call it the Anthropomorphic Pack, or the Creature Pack.

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