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Blood of the Black Stream

Abalest

By Abalest,
Posted on: 2005-06-13 11:05 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion

 

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Wait, a blend between a controller and a defender? Wouldn't that be...a controller?

Anyways, I think the negative energy control idea is neat, but I'm also hoping for a tad more than just that. Possibly some crazy secondary or something, who knows.

Remember, folks, sarcastically or not, Statesman is in no way a jerk. Although he can be annoyingly evil at times with all the vagueness and teasing and letting us drown ourselves in our own anxiousness and speculation. That's true evil that only a master could pull off!

 

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Don't get me wrong...I don't actually believe that it has anything to do with pirates, it has just always sounded very piratey to me. Besides, I can't think of any justification for pirates being an epic archtype in City of Heroes anyway. City of Villains, certainly.

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The Tsoo have ninjas. Isn't that enough justification right there? We know ninjas and pirates are eternally in opposition...

 

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"We are not ninjas! We are Chinese! Ninjas are Japanese!", Wu, Brain Smasher . . . a Love Story.

Anyway, why are we all assuming that the Coralax are the aquatic arechtype? A quick search shows not a single instance of a red name saying anything of the sort, only folks inferring it back when we only knew two names of new archetypes.

Maybe I missed something someone was told at a con, but it sounds much more plausible to me that the BotBS is the aquatic type and that the Coralax is something else. Corax is a Greek word for crow, but we already know that they're not winged, so perhaps it's a seer type, kind of a combination of "corax" and "parallax".

P.s. Statesman is an Incarnate of Democracy, methinks. Hence the references to Greece.

 

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I am very concerned that we have established BotBS as the acronym for the Blood of the Black Stream....the Devs need to change the name of the AT to Blood of our Black Stream

 

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Anyway, why are we all assuming that the Coralax are the aquatic arechtype? A quick search shows not a single instance of a red name saying anything of the sort, only folks inferring it back when we only knew two names of new archetypes.

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From Stratics :

Brekkee - *MedicofDeathx* Statesman: Can you talk about the new "Epic" AT's that will be coming soon? Will they be in Issue 4? Also, will there be any new baddies such as Hamidon to come?
Statesman - I can at least say - Coralax - think underwater - Avilan - think wings...

 

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Wait, a blend between a controller and a defender? Wouldn't that be...a controller?

Anyways, I think the negative energy control idea is neat, but I'm also hoping for a tad more than just that. Possibly some crazy secondary or something, who knows.

Remember, folks, sarcastically or not, Statesman is in no way a jerk. Although he can be annoyingly evil at times with all the vagueness and teasing and letting us drown ourselves in our own anxiousness and speculation. That's true evil that only a master could pull off!

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Actually... no. Controller powersets are typically Primary: Holds/pets, sec: buff/debuff. Defenders have prim: buff/ debuff and sec: attacks. Controllers lack the ranged attacks.

I'm thinking BotBS will have a primary consisting of holds and attacks, and maybe a pet. the secondary will probably be a buff/debuff.

I don't think they'll have any sort of crazy secondary. Like the kheldians, they'll probably just have the same powers as other AT's, but combined and with somewhat different animations and combat effects. I suspect their attacks will probably be from all blaster sets except AR, so they'll be able to shoot lightning bolts and fireballs and ice cones. Maybe some dark defender added in. That's how I think they'll be unique, or epic.

That and they'll have a magic missle spell. It's a one hit kill against D3's. Realizes no one got that joke either:: Anyone see summoner geeks or 8bit DnD?

And so i'm corrected. States is a tease.

 

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What we have seen in kheldians then new calamari AT?

Well they have armour, they have blaster attack and they have melee attacks.
That is basically a blapper with armour.
Some minor heals holds and pets.
Much like blappers can be once they have new epics.

The only two truly unique aspects, is the reverse leadership power, that instead of you making the whoe team stronger, the team is making you stronger.
We have seen shape shifting, go blaster or tank.

And we have seen unique mobs to make gplay more debtful..
Well I mean depthful that is.

Well in my opinion since kheldians cover the blapper and armour aspects already so well.

It is likely to assume the new class would be controllerish, perhaps with some scraper powers?
More than likely I see it being similar to ddd in melee.

Or dm/da with more debuff and control.

It seems to me the new epic at will be group oriented.
And since they need to be different enoug to be interesting, it would only make sense they would be more defenderish.
And perhaps more pet oriented.

 

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Todays paragon times seems to suggest mystical matters are very much on the minds of the devs...

 

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here are a few of my speculations for what the BotBS shall be:

Spirits(or something of the like) of Mu sorcerors that inhabited Atlantis
- accounts for the water (under water black streams)idea since atlantis was on water and sunk into water
- one idea was that atlantis floated above the water, meaning a magical source or sources had to levitate it, which goes with the controllerish and magical theories
- Since as far as i know there is a lot of vagueness about the Mu, they could wield powers no one would expect, maybe theyre/were a secret society in atlantis that practiced darker arts to learn more about the enemies weaknesses(see the azuria interview) and were banished.
- or maybe they were Oranbegan mystics that reformed and switched sides to the Mu lending their powerful dark magics to their aid
- covers a lot of the above theories

- maybe they were atlantean(or Mu or w/e) sailors that were kind of like heroes that saw the what the rest of the world was doing to the Earth and they tried to do what they thought was right and were seen as pirates by the rest of the non atlantean population(which accounts for the connections a previous poster made about pirates, but gives them a heroic side)

i just wish the devs would give some sort of "hot or cold" indication or something.

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Vampiric? News to me.

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Dude, I told you like, last week. Remember, we went down to Sunset and had a latté. You ordered biscotti and I said "that stuff'll kill you" and you laughed and threatened to nerf Regen again.

Man... you always do this!

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That had me laughing so hard...

 

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"We are not ninjas! We are Chinese! Ninjas are Japanese!", Wu, Brain Smasher . . . a Love Story.

Anyway, why are we all assuming that the Coralax are the aquatic arechtype? A quick search shows not a single instance of a red name saying anything of the sort, only folks inferring it back when we only knew two names of new archetypes.

Maybe I missed something someone was told at a con, but it sounds much more plausible to me that the BotBS is the aquatic type and that the Coralax is something else. Corax is a Greek word for crow, but we already know that they're not winged, so perhaps it's a seer type, kind of a combination of "corax" and "parallax".

P.s. Statesman is an Incarnate of Democracy, methinks. Hence the references to Greece.

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As mentioned earlier, States told us to think "underwater" in reference to the coralax, and as revealed in issue 2 of the Top Cow run on CoH,*spoiler, though I'm sure most have seen it by now*













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ohh you are very lucky my friend. very lucky indeed.

just finished before i read your post, almost read it first

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My thoughts on Blood of the Black Stream, which were largely shouted down by others before, but still remain my thoughts are that they are Pirate Based

Something we were told with I5 is that to think Errol Flynn

well that does mean Archery per Robin Hood with him and Olivia DeHaviland.

However, Errol Flynn also did multiple movies based on Piracy and being at sea, such as well "The Sea Hawk" and "Captain Blood"

and the name is to me reminiscent of many "comic" style organizations and brotherhoods (rarely sisterhoods) of pirates.


Just a thought or two.

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The comment about Errol Flynn was about a new *power set* (most likely scrapper it would be logical to assume)

The Blood of the Black Stream is a new *Archetype*

Perhaps that is why your idea was met with resistance previously?

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If I looked down one morning and saw blood in any black stream, I'd call the doctor immediately.

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The "Blood" aspects makes it sound like some heriditary thing... like a lineage heritage... maybe it has to do with CoT stories and Mu and all that magic stuff.
Could be an EAT of magic origin...

Maybe you get to do heroes like Zatanna, Doctor Fate, Doctor Strange, Mysterio

OR
it's another underwater species... enemies of the Coralax

 

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I saw a mention of this as a pending vampiric powerset? Can anyone shed some light (or shadow) on this?

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Yes, this is the new AT for villains and heroes.

-it will be based off of bram stoker's dracula
-it will have amazing necromantic powers

 

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I saw a mention of this as a pending vampiric powerset? Can anyone shed some light (or shadow) on this?

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Yes, this is the new AT for villains and heroes.

-it will be based off of bram stoker's dracula
-it will have amazing necromantic powers

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Necroooomania.

Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA

 

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Now this was several years ago, and was mostly stated by people as being based on conversations with some of the Devs, but the last semi-official/hearsay details i recall about the BotBS was that they were intended to be shapeshifters (more the stretchy types, not multiform) and were going to be Egyptian-themed. The former would obviously be a bit tricky with the current engine, but the latter is altogether plausible.

i also recall the discussions pointing out that Statesman is fond of creating Egyptian-themed groups. Something that isn't all that significant anymore since he's not part of the current Dev team, but an Egyptian origin would likely be part of the CoX story bible. [color= red]

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It is obviously indicative of fairy creatures tied the power of the earth for their sustenance and life. Now, if we look at these too associative descriptions together, blue blood and earth fairy, we we arrive at a singular undeniably fallible conclusion. Smurfs.

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I would only be able to get behind this if Gargomel (with Azrael) is added as an AV.