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Hmmmm. /unsigned

Ninjas are cooler, and they are already in-game.

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Even if I would grant you this point momentarily . . .



Ninjas, without their worthiest opponents,
cheapens ninjas,
and makes dolphins cry.

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Wait ... so you mean you people don't have a secret room you hide out in when people come around?

O.o

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You come out of yours for reasons other than sustenance?!!

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This will be my first double XP weekend.

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AS it was hinted above, be sure you have an alt or two that you like on other severs than Freedom, and maybe Virtue.

Otherwise, you will spend much of your time trying to get logged on.

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Pirates NOW!

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Welll.
I am 99.9999% sure that if you take an alt,
and take them to another server,
OR to the other side of the same server . . .
that Yes, you are leaving that SG/VG.

<ul type="square">[*] Patient: Doctor! Doctor! It hurts when I do this!
Doctor: Easy! Then Don't DO that!
B-BOOM-boom!![*] Patient: Doctor! Doctor! This alt is a major basebuilder/SGleader, and I can't STAND to take them Rogue!
Doctor: Easy! Then Don't take THAT alt, rogue ! !
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. . . How do you as a Base Builder/SG Leader think Going Rogue will impact your SG/VG?. . .

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Not much, I expect.
Long ago, I surpassed being able to contain all my alts on just a few servers.
I have SGs/VGs on each side of every server.

If any particular alt is especially important on the server/Side that they are on, . . .
I obviously will not take that alt Rogue.
There will be a few that may be hard to decide...
But the answer is pretty obvious to me.

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Sorry, I've moved on.

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Really good idea.


But if you change your mind,
I can insert more truth and logic.

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They're only fair if you're a veteran. If you're a veteran, they're immensely fair. For everyone else, the continued addition of new rewards is inherently unfair - the system is weighted towards the veteran's.

Seriously, this isn't that hard. The system is supposed to be weighted towards the veterans. Admit it, enjoy it, and move on.

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OK... I finally see your major logic error.
You see, Here is the thing . . .

You are excluding yourself, and the majority of players from a class they belong to.


YOU . . . . . . . . . . are a veteran!
Players for 60 months? . . . Veterans!
People who started 4 weeks ago? . . . Veterans!

We are all veterans, of different lengths of game experience.
WE ARE ALL VETERANS!


Divide the number of months we have been veterans of the game by 3 ?
THAT is the number of VRs that veterans with your Length of Service, have earned.

And, since we are ALL vets, that means that we are ALL treated equally with VRs!

In the next 3 months EACH of us will get ONE set of VRs.
In the next 6 months EACH of us will get TWO set of VRs.
In the next 12 months EACH of us will get four set of VRs.
and so on.

And each VR we receive will be the SAME as the VRs received by every other vet, when they reach the same Length of Service as we do.
We are all veterans, and all treated the same. in the VR category.


WE ARE ALL VETERANS...
with different Lengths-of-Service,
and perfectly proportional percentage of VRs.

Do NOT strip yourself, or your fellow players of their veteran status.

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They payed and played this game for OVER TWO YEARS, without ANY VRs.

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And then got them all retroactively, making this point moot.

The Veteran's Rewards system purposefully favours veterans over new players. Just admit it and move on.

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Don't know what you meant is moot here.

You are trying to say that going for 28 months without getting and being able to use your VRs during all that time.... IS EQUAL to getting and being able to use your VRs every 3 months as new people can?

Can't be that... obviously not true.


OK, show us that it is moot.
volunteer to go the next 28 months without getting your next 9 VRs, until the 28th month and THEN you get your 9 VRs all at once, at the end.

Show us that you believe it is moot.

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Gratz !
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. . .A curious twist to the cape mission is that when it first came out, a lot of people *thought* it was hard, and so tended to invite more and more people to "help" with it. Ironically, the more people you added, the harder it got to save the time capsule before it was destroyed, which caused people to add even more people to try to make it easier. I didn't know it was supposed to be hard and soloed it with all of my alts at the time without any difficulty..

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I would say you must have started this AFTER the bug was fixed.

You see, the initial bug was that the trigger to start destroying the capsule began as soon as you stepped into the mission.

If you had a friend or team with you, and waited for someone to zone in to the mission, you lost.. The capsule was destroyed while you waited at the door.

If you stopped to fight ANY enemies instead of racing immediately to the capsule, you lost. Capsule destroyed.

Even if you did immediately race to it, it was still iffy on saving it.


It didn't stay that way long. But I wanted MY cape right away, and went through several attempts (and finally won) while the bug was in place.
The biggest problem was just figuring out that the timer sprang right away, and you had to race to the end.

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I have always assumed that was a feature...

Makes it more realistic to have 3 sometimes, 1 at others, etc.

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I just wanted someone to admit the system was unfair and biased towards veterans. I'm satisfied now.

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Well, The system may have been unfair, but actually unfair to the oldest veterans.

They payed and played this game for OVER TWO YEARS, without ANY VRs.

So if a few people never get the highest VRs when CoX finally goes Boom?
Oh well, that is sort of counterbalance for those two years.

We went 2 years without VRs, and we had fun.
The game is even better now, and we still play it to have fun.

If you enjoy it, keep playing. If you don't, then quit.
CoX is just plain fun, on it's own merit.
But as long as you keep playing, you will keep on getting 1 fluffy VR every 3 months, like clockwork.

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VRs are fun to get. And they may have kept me from taking a few months of vacation from the game here and there.

But they ARE just nice fluffy perks.
VRs, or lack of VRs, would NOT cause me to quit playing.
They are just nice little extras that EVERY player gets, once every 3 months.

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I just wanted someone to admit the system was unfair and biased towards veterans. I'm satisfied now.

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But. It is NOT unfair.

Every player no matter whether they are 6 month veterans or 60 month veterans, WILL receive a fair share of VRs.
In 12 months of play, they will receive 4 sets of VRs.
Exactly, purposely, FAIR!

Thus the VR system works perfectly for its purpose.
They are there, to entice players to keep paying and playing.
They are there, to entice people not to take random time out of keeping their account active.

EVERY PLAYER GETS THE SAME REWARD!
3 months of play? 1 set of VRs.

Perfectly fair.

Any changes to this system WOULD be unfair.
No one gets any VR before they earn it.
No one gets more VRs than others, for the same amount of time
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Wow, I have one complaint about the game and or Devs in what, like 3 years and this is what happens.

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Sorry!
The aliens took over my head!
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. . . Bottom line is that you WILL eventually get these rewards when you EARN them... like the rest of us have

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I liked most of your points. But You really didn't take this one quite far enough.
The REAL Bottom line is that EVERY player, in X amount of months will receive the same number (call it Y) of sets of VRs, right on schedule.

Perfectly equal. perfectly fair. No one gets more of them for the same amount of time paid and waited out.

It ends up being the only perfectly fair reward system in the game, because of the reason for their existence.
The real purpose of VRs is to entice players to keep paying and playing.
Every player knows that in less than 3 months, there is another little perk waiting for them, if they stay.
...And if they quit, or take a break from their subscription, then they will delay, or totally give up these little perks that are in their near future. and it will also delay any VRs that they REALLY want down the line, by however many months they take off. <ul type="square">[*]Allowing people to buy them early without earning them with their time, Defeats the Purpose of VRs.[*]Or Allowing people to cherry-pick the VRs they like best, out of order, Defeats the Purpose of VRs.[*]Everyone earns them the same way, at the same rate, in the same order as everyone else in the game. Any deviations from this would be unfair, and Defeats the Purpose of VRs.[/list]
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You see . . . VRs are completely fair.
And the ONLY completely fair reward in the game. <ul type="square">[*]Every account must earn them through time... You can't buy VRs.[*]You can't cheat to get them, or use exploits to get them.[*]You can't manipulate the Market to get them.[*]You can't PL to get them.[*]You don't even have to actually spend time in game. As long as you keep your account active, you get a new VR, every 3 months, like clockwork.[/list]
Each account gets each reward at the exact same time of that accounts length of paytime.

Every player, whether a 1 month, or a 50 month,
will get exactly ONE set of VRs in less than 3 months from any given moment,
as long as they keep paying, and wait for it.



No other reward in the game that is fairer.
Quit trying to muck them up, folks.

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B)the base parts are so much less than a big deal beacause all you need to do is have another SG mate put in a weapons display problem solved

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And if I am in a solo SG, or have no veterans in my SG?

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Invite one high end veteran either permanantly, OR temporarily.
I have several friends who have gone in and decorated someone's base for them!
Then you can move the items wherever you want.
VERY EASY!

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C) the 60 month isn't an extra power slot it's early access to a power. Again no big deal

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The ability to pick Fly without having to pick Hover is an extra power slot. Whether you feel the defence bonus of Hover or the attack power of Air Superiority is worth having isn't the issue;

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Extra slot? No that is smoke and mirrors. Exactly the same number of slots in all cases.
and in most cases the pre-reqs are still in.

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Bottom line is that you WILL eventually get these rewards when you EARN them... like the rest of us have

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Did you earn them with time, or with money? Is your time worth more than $15 a month? Is it worth more to NCSoft?

[/ QUOTE ] MAJOR fail on this point. VRs are the fairest rewards in the game.
Everyone's money is exactly the same on this point.

Two people who pay, and wait out a year, get [u]exactly the same thing[u].
4 sets of VRs
THAT is the point of VRs. EVERYONE has the same amount of carrots to encourage them to keep paying and playing for the same amount of time and money.
Different carrots. but no one gets more of them for the same amount of paid and waited time.

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Continually advancing benchmarks create systems where it is impossible to catch up, and thus impossible to "eventually" get anything, because by the time to get to the old benchmark, there's a new one and thus more things you cannot have and must "eventually earn", and so on in a never ending cycle.

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If you need, I will come back and explain to you, how the people who will miss out on getting some of the highest rewards when THE END comes for CoX, is counterbalanced by the fact that NO ONE who was playing at the beginning, got ANY VetRewards for OVER TWO YEARS.

It forms a nice symmetry.

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If only it'd been like that for launch

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WOW! Cool! I see what you did there!

No matter how well they fix it, or how much they might improve it in the future, ...
You can still SCORE!, by saying: [ QUOTE ]
If only it'd been like that for launch

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Nice! Now, no matter what they do, Nobody can ever solve your complaint!
YOU WIN!



Oh, wait! I can trump that! :

If only it'd been like that for launch, . . . AND launch had been a week earlier!

Yay! Now I win!!


unless someone wants to go for 2 weeks, I suppose . . . and . . .
Oh Noes! That could just go on forever.
I think we will just have to throw all this out,

and just go back to being happy it is fixed!

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Based on what we've been told about powerset proliferation, you'll get it eventually.

You should not expect it to be a direct port of the existing versions, simply because of the unconditional higher base damage that Scrappers deal.

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THIS. . . But . . .
To the OP . . .

Your basic premise is quite flawed.

They have given us many good things.
Are we happy yet? No. Why would you expect this to be any different?
If we are given Pie? We complain because it isn't cake!
If we are given Cake? We complain because it isn't Pie!

Nope. We know from past experience... This will NOT make us happy!

OK. Carry on!

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Just curious why it has to be closed. Those who wish to migrate to a new channel can do so. Those who want to stay can choose to stay.

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<ul type="square">[*]Having both open would mean people would have to use up TWO channel slots to keep contact with ALL their friends, and get ALL the teaming etc. news.[*]SOME people live their whole lives on one server. But many run on many servers, and even though we now have more channel slots, you still use them up pretty quick if you have a channel set up for each of the servers you run on.[*]Why dilute the quality of each channel by having them split?[*]Other Reasons.[/list]

I am happily avoiding these sort of things so far.

Yes, I have cell phone.. Yes I have high end PDAs and have for years.


But somehow, . . .
The concept that a MegaCorp, . . .
could entice me to take their commercial store,
and put it in my pocket, and carry it with me everywhere, . . .

just would make me feel so . . . dirty.

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Does this mean we can make the travesty that is Hasten go away?

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If you notice on the actual page here no pool powers are listed.

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Hmm. I will have to look at all the wording again.

I know they said "changing the colors of your powers" is easy.
I know if you have chosen Hasten, then it is one of "your powers".
I know they said "Customizable powersets [u]include[u]". { list of primaries and secondaries }.
. (very possibly that list is complete. . . . but . . . )
I know they didn't give a list of [u]excluded[u] powers.

So I am still left with a very tentative 'maybe' on the Hasten question.

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And it looks like the patch might have more to do with the Superscience Booster than other, ahem, Mito-gating factors.

* ducks*

Whoops, just read the patch notes-- win some, lose some!

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Yup.

Hafta LOL at all the people who want to blame all the ills of the world and todays patch on AE . . .

When really The biggest change today is THIS !

LOL !

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