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...I suspect that it will be a 'port to mission door from anywhere in zone' power, as it would be more difficult to set up the power so that it transferred you to the mission zone and left you at the mission door than it would be to port you to the mission door from wherever you are in the zone. ...

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There is already at least one power that does both a TP to zone, and a TP to target, at the same time.

The 'Market Teleporter' token you can buy at the market does this.
You even get to pick WHICH zone to go to the market in.

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Noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!

I have a Mac, but it's a PowerPC...

And its actually the newer of my two machines...

Besides, the beta form keeps giving me:
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We’re sorry - the server could not accept your request. Often this is due to too many characters such as “><|--;=” being used. Please try removing these characters or reducing your post size. If you still experience problems please contact Customer Support using the subject line “Issue with official website”.

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They forgot to include <Carriage Return> in those characters. I know you wanted to make the information pretty and organized...

[b]But Don't hit <enter> in that data box![b]

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the page keeps spitting my application back as "Bad Input"

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I haven't read all the entries in this thread... This may have been answered...


But If you get the
BAD INPUT error,
Take the Carriage returns out of the Mac Information box !!
Put all information on one line (or more, it can wraparound)

Apparently the form cannot handle CRs in that field.

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Aww where is the redside skin and CoV branding?

I never really visit the main website except to check vet rewards. Usually I go straight to the forums. Please at least have a CoV skin for these if nothing else.

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Not going to happen, it seems. Read Lighthouse's <a href="/showthreaded.php?Number=12345681" target="_blank">post</a>:

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The main website covers both aspects of the game. We've given anyone who ever had access to both sides, so they are both sides to the same coin that is the City of Heroes franchise.

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Alllll Righty then, . . .
A clue for a bunch of you,
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(They haven't done the Forum revamp part yet . . . )



And the forum software that they are going to, often DOES have skins, etc, So we'll have to see what they end up with when they get all the forums together on the same site again. Don't panic yet, and don't be sure these options won't be there.
We'll have to wait and see.

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You realize you just revived a dead thread and these changes have been in affect for a long time.

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Now don't do that!

I regularly chastise people for breaking the rules, and starting up yet another thread on a subject when other threads about it already exist.

The question was not about how the old changes work. It was about how those would work under the I13 changes.

This was quite properly done. They envisioned a question, and went to find an appropriate, already existing thread, and posted there. . . . Good job.

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A guide for Night Widows would be absolutely fantastic, if anyone feels up to the job.

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Moonlit_Whisper did one. It seems quite well thought out, and the advice in the thread is good too.

[/ QUOTE ] And maybe a Fortunata Guide?

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Whee! More tailor tokens.

I've not changed my primary costumes since I started.

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Be that as it may, considering tailor shop prices at times I'll take the tokens

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A lot of us have been thinking the reason for the tailor tokens is that they took the realistic-looking thigh-high boots, and nerfed them horribly, so that now they look like thigh-high socks, or painted on boots.

It is going to force quite a few remakes for my alts, I know.

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It's kind of stupid that all these changes were at least partially motivated because players were supposedly forced to go to the Hollows to get missions when the devs know full well that all a player has to do is drop the mission from the contact that sends them there if they want to avoid the zone. Seems like they are determined to make this game so easy that it can be played by a retarded monkey.

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No one should have any problem with those run to make a contact missions. I would say they are there simply to make sure that players, especially new players, at least are exposed to the fact that there is some content over here to consider.

We don't think that they are wanting to make us change our difficulty, just because they made the mish that sends us to talk to the FeildAnalyst / Fortunata...... Do we?

No. Players, especially new players are being alerted that options are there, by being sent on these mishes.

If you already know, run the contact, collect the xp, and go on with whatever you choose to do next.

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I think the Hollows changes look good!

BUT . . .

I liked the Hollows before.
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Sure, my alts have spent more time in KR in the last year, to get the radio mishes, and the first couple of temp travel powers.

But many of my alts in the past, have dived into the Hollows at lvl 5 or 6, and not come out again till around lvl 17 or so; and that can happen really quickly there.

FF is one of my favorite mishes in the game, mega-XP, and the only mish with all those lovely ice patches to play on!
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But I am looking forward to these coming changes!

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*Farmer hat on*

1-10 Perez/Hollow for arcanes
10-20 Midnight Squad (potential arcanes)
21-29 Dark Astoria

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You understand of course that the value of farming arcane salvage comes from the fact that it is so rare, so the prices are high.....

And now, with arcane content and arcane salvage now being so much more common . . .

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It's too early to assume that the Midnight Squad content will have anything to do with arcane droppers. In fact, since it looks like it will have to do with the Lost, who only drop tech salvage, I suspect it won't give anything more worth farming than your typical arc does now. Which is fine.

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I agree with you. In fact, my guess is that it not only won't it give anything worth farming, but actually make farmable items now, less farmable, by expanding supply.

You may be right....
Content based around "The clandestine organization of mystics, scholars and mages, known only as the Midnight Squad" may not end up dropping more arcane salvage.

But my bet is that it probably will ... thereby making those possibly manipulated objects even less manipulate-able.

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*Farmer hat on*

1-10 Perez/Hollow for arcanes
10-20 Midnight Squad (potential arcanes)
21-29 Dark Astoria

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You understand of course that the value of farming arcane salvage comes from the fact that it is so rare, so the prices are high.....

And now, with arcane content and arcane salvage now being so much more common . . .

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Can we maybe get a zone where it spawns like it did on test before it was nerfed to be way to easy...
>.>
Maybe its just me but I kinda liked the desperation of the invasions on test, surrounded by scores of Rikti, flocking around you, swarming the hospital.
Now THAT felt like a invasion by a hostile force bent on destroying us.

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Here's the thing: . . .

The invasions can still get pretty darn crazy now...
But what it requires to have the mega battles,
is to have mega numbers of players in the zone.

The more of us there are, the crazier it gets!
Bring all your buddies!

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Also.. question? What's the point of this guy? Or is that just a hiccup because of the wedding on Test this evening?


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Probably the usher for the wedding.... the entry point.... Where was that?
Looks like under the clocktower

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I'll just add that when I post a suggestion, and somebody posts "no" or "/unsigned", I do consider that constructive criticism of my idea. It's obviously not as useful as a detailed explanation of the objections, but I would rather have a short response from an individual than no response at all.

As another example, I started a poll in the Market section a while ago. The purpose of the thread was to get a sense of where the community stood on a particular question. I was also interested in people's rationale, if they chose to explain themselves, but eliminating "yes" and "no" responses would've totally defeated the purpose of that thread, which now has 500+ replies.

It's the personal attacks, not "/jranger," that cause the problems.

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Yes, I totally agree.

Thank you, you gave a real life example of what I have been trying to say theoretically!

Being able to get a feel for which way the wind is blowing, is often as important for me as the other aspects of the discussion.
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There's a point being missed.

If someone poses an argument or presents an idea, and someone else posts "Yes" or "/signed" after it, no further explanation is warranted because the explanation was presented in the original post.

It's if the argument or idea is disagreed with that explanation is required. Simply posting "No" is ignorant in these circumstances because it dissents without making an argument.

On that basis, simply posting "Yes" is acceptable because the argument has already been presented and posting "No" is not, because it presents no argument.


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You miss a point too. (which is somewhat strange since you actually made the point too)

People who say yes, or /signed, want to build support for the idea. And they are able to whether they want to (or can) expend the time to even really think about the idea and come up with a few sentences, or not.
But you suggest that people who do NOT like the idea MUST expend that extra time and effort, even though they also, may only want to give their input and SLOW building support for a bad idea.

trying to object, should NOT be harder than showing support.
Neither should be inhibited.

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P.S. I also have made the point that they did not say that "/signed" was not on the alert list. (but will you, with a straight face, tell me that you honestly think they would warn people about agreeing with too many posts? Go ahead. Try to say that sincerely now without cracking a smile.)
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But I still think we have a right and obligation to give input on ideas, and I agree a simple yes or no are constructive, because it gives a better feel that oh, a lot of posters support or disagree with this idea.

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While 'yes', 'no', '/signed', and '/unsigned' posts do let it be known how a poster feels about an idea it is in no way constructive. What makes it a good idea? What can be suggested to make it a better idea? What makes it a bad idea? Offering answers to those is constructive while just one word agree/disagree posts are pretty much just spam.

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Yes. yes, We all know how we can respond if an idea is partially good or partially bad.

But there will continue to be times when I feel that an idea is so good and well-researched that there is nothing I need or want to add. But I still want to show my support of it so that it will encourage people to suggest/implement it.
And there will continue to be times that an idea is so bad, or game-breaking, or destructive to the CoX way of life that again there is nothing that I can suggest that will make it a good idea. Or as bad as the idea is, it keeps getting brought up every two weeks, and I don't have the time or energy to politely point out all the bad points of the idea . . yet again.
But I still want to quickly show my anti-support of the bad idea.

In both cases, I want to express my support or nonsupport, and I expect others to be free to also, so I can get a feel by glancing through the post whether there are a lot of people for or against the idea so that I know whether I should possibly get in to argue the points so that a good idea might get implemented, or a bad idea discouraged so that a few vocal people don't make it look like we WANT that bad idea.


The only way I will agree that it is good to limit people's simpler inputs to ideas, is if a poll is attached to the post, so that we still get a representative feel on where the idea is heading.

Insisting that everyone who wants to register their support or objection convert their short reply into a few sentences is ONLY adding static amd spam to the forums, or chasing away people who don't want to spend that much time on the forums.
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I'm here for an argument

Sums up this discussion rather nicely, I think.

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Not at all. While that IS an excellent comedy bit by the MP crew, it is not applicable to people who honestly disagree with a suggestion, see no way to make the bad idea seem more palatable, and want to enter their input.

"No", in that case, is not just Nay-saying. Nay-saying means that no matter what the person had said the answer would have been "no" or opposing.

The few times that I have found that "NO" was the only appropriate answer, I had seriously read the suggestion. I saw nothing that was a good idea in the original, and could see no suggestion that could make it any better.
Giving any more answer than NO, would only be adding fluff.
Not giving the no would be a good man sitting back and doing nothing. (They say that is the real definition of 'evil').

That is not nay-saying. That was simply making my view also known, in the most appropriate response to that particular idea. There are just times that 'No' IS the best answer.

Yes, I know MW has suggested that 'NO' by itself is an insult.
In a couple of the cases above, if I had gone through each of the points in the original and pointed out why it was a bad idea and it would never work. I honestly think the original poster would have felt worse that way than If I just said 'NO', to make my vote known to others, and not leave only people there supporting the bad idea.

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/signed.
...oh, yeah, I mean I support this position 100%. I love the player polls and I wish there were more of them.

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And your first answer Said all that was needed.
It told us you too. felt that way.
It told us the person that you replied to is not the only one that felt this way.
It adds to our idea of whether we as a group agree or disagree with this point.

Did your second answer add anything of substance?
Nope. It only added fluff.
It is now mandatory that we add fluff to posts like these, by making up an expanded sentence or two.
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Really what she's asking IMHO isn't stifling or draconian. It's asking for posters to be constructive in the forums used to gather bug reports, suggestions, feedback, etc. Even criticism can be constructive, so long as it's not flamey.

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'No' and '/unsigned' are every bit as constructive and useful as 'yes' and '/signed'. Yet one can lead to banning, and the other seemingly does not.
Something is very wrong here.

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Well, we have not actually heard yet whether 'yes' or '/signed' are on the naughty list...

But I still think we have a right and obligation to give input on ideas, and I agree a simple yes or no are constructive, because it gives a better feel that oh, a lot of posters support or disagree with this idea.

It is very annoying that the devs are now adding so much fluff to the votes in these threads, because now people have to make up a statement or two to add to their vote, so they don't get watch-listed!

I have thrown a new temporary signature together:

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notice key difference...
you said "I have occasionally used "NO" "

offender responded to 'hundreds of posts' with no.
If his ban is perma, was pre-warned and likely given temp bans first.

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Your response is irrelevant to my point, or to this thread topic.

This thread (and my post) is NOT about any bannings or particular cases which have taken place in the past.

This thread is a discussion of the edicts the devs have put out lately about how they will create watch lists and what kind of posts they want us not to post.

They have said "Please refrain from... " and gave examples. They said they will put people on watch lists (that means a step closer to being banned) if certain posts are used. <ul type="square">[*]MY POINT: An occasionally used "just 'No' " post can be the only appropriate reply.[*]A Single, or occasional, appropriate reply should NOT put you on a watch list.[*]Only the start of a pattern of abuse, should put you on a watch list, where as you pointed out, THEN you will be warned, and it is up to you to stop or not, and possibly be banned.[/list]
I also think posters should be able to vote yes or no on any idea suggested, without having to give all their reasons. I am more than happy as you can see, to spend time typing away, showing what I think. But I think depriving people of their input on an idea, if they don't feel like spending time giving their reasons, is wrong.
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A secondary point in this same idea that has been raised in this thread is: "Are the devs going to put people who want to vote just 'Yes', on a watchlist? or just the people who want to vote just 'No'? "

But this thread is a discussion on future modding that will be done and has been announced, not past cases.
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Thenk you those things are sharp looking,

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And those aren't even the best shots for those wings.

Draconic are the most impressive, imposing ones, especially when you jump or fly and they spread out!

I have some reservations about objections to a quick, simple one word "NO" as an occasional thread response. <ul type="square">[*]I have occasionally used "NO" although usually, as in this post, I include way too many words.[*]There ARE occasionally, some posts, that are so outrageous, so repetitive, and so unsupported with any ideas based in reality, that "No" is the only good answer.[*]Adding any longer, more in-depth answer than "NO" would actually suggest that you DO think the idea is worth discussing.[*]Not submitting at least "NO" leaves the idea that more people support the idea than really do.[*]I agree that OVERUSE all the time of the just "NO" response, would indeed be abuse, just like any canned, same response that one gave to many threads, even if they don't deserve it.[*]But banning a response that is occasionally the best response, Just because some people use that tool sometimes in an abusive way? That seems wrong.[/list]If someone submits a thread like:
"I think everyone should be able to get to level 50 in just one day!"
(or at least their own, even if they have to pay a little extra)

No matter how nicely they suggest it,
No matter what things they say to try to support the idea,
There are indeed so many reasons why not, but bringing up any just will get them arguing about the reasons.
Not replying would make it seem that you support it.
Just registering a "NO", is the best response.

I can give more examples if you need.
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I am on now... send tell to Mycroft.

How could you??!??!

Now half the Forum threads will have to be expunged!!
WE are Tainted! Infected!

This is the real reason for the last time the Forum scrubbings happened! We just keep it quiet so the Cute de Terroristas don't get more ideas. It is so easy to bring this stuff in here!

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Seismic activity on the moon changed our tides!?!? Was this 'seismic activity' the moon breaking up into a ring around Earth?? How could... ok ok, fiction, suspend disbelief... go with it Zloth...

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To all of you who allowed yourselves to get sidetracked into the possible science of the 'cover story', just stop it.
You should know better. You know that the "Waves of Mass Disturbance" is just the story they put out to hide their ineptitude at preventing Lord Recluse's attacks. WMD indeed!

Didn't you notice all those 'experts' are GOVERNMENT experts? sheesh!