rian_frostdrake

i did pre purchase , march 2,2010 i was looking at my emails to see if i could find anything worthwhile., and i never saw that advertised, only discussed informally. if someone can bring up the store page, cool, but until then, he seems to be the only one who recalls seeing it specifically spelled out that incarnates were a part of gr. I await someone posting it.

ok here again is an important distinction that people are overlooking. We were told at a panal that they were shooting to have a sneak peek at the incarnate system by the developers. they are not advertising, this is the kind of informal communication that a lot of us like from the developers. but we also understand that beta testing is a changeable situation, and the bare bones version of the incarnate system that comprised the sneak peek was rejected by a significant portion of the player community.
That is part of the changeable nature of beta testing, but the claims made here, that the system was advertised as being part of gr, or that there was FALSE ADVERTISING(as lucky overcapitalizes), are wrong, advertising is more cautious than the informal communications we get at cons, partly for this reason. Those of us who bre bought gr did so for our own reasons, there was no incarnate bonus for pre-buying, so you either wanted the 2 powersets early, or you wanted in the tier 2 beta. both of those were delivered, so there really is no claim of false advertising, the purchase was made before formal advertising had begun, and it was made in good faith for what was provided. some simply did not acknowledge the fine print.

now to reiterate, it was advertized that you needed to purchase a copy of gr to partake in incarnate content, but it was also understood that you had to pay a sub fee to play any of it, so the question simply was never asked if one could have gr, quit paying for access to the game and still have access to incarnates, you either were subbed or not. so its perhaps fairer tos ay that there were 2 preconditions for incarnate access, a sub and a gr purchase, prems satisfy the second but not the first condition, so thats why they dont get incarnates. It doesnt, until he provides evidence of anything written in an actual advertisement, he is only referring to an informal discussion of bonus content that was not included at the request of the playerbase. unless he links to something to the contrary of he recollection of several posters here, there was nothing officially advertised about incarnates or the sneak peek being part of gr.

its the art of bad financial investments.

lucky me, i have a copy of the gr box, read the whole thing, its not on there. can you post a shot of the advertisement where incarnate content is specified as included please?

you know, an aside on this topic, as i think its a difference in personal style that causes a lot of conflict, but i suspect some would agree with you, that there should be threads to "vent" and others would say that making threads with no purpose other than to make emotional lash outs and complaints only contributes to the steadily more toxic atmosphere of the forums. I will admit one reason i post so few threads is that i have always felt that in order to start a discussion, there should be something worth discussing, not simply rolling on the floor pounding my fists because something was, to me, subjectively valueless(though this is not saying that I feel it is objectively wrong). I guess i can see the mindset, but its also why so many game related sites become mindless uncivil snipe-fests. the idea that just having a bad attitude about something justifies throwing it as everyonewhereas that seems to describe some people's entire posting philosophy, to complain and scream.
I mean, i can see threads where a problem is brought up and constructive attempts are made to fix it, but just a thread to say," i dont like it" and then aggressively fight with everyone who disagrees strikes me as inherently destructive to the community.

TLDR. its all about styles of expression.

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a lot of the problem with these statements is that people are discussing things in binary statements that are actually nuanced. there was supposed to be a "sneak peak" of incarnates in gr, i.e. not the whole system at launch but a sort of subscribers bonus. that was pushed back because of some intense discussions about the quality of incarnates introductions. so while an aspect of the incarnate system was originally planned to be included in the launch of gr, it was a bonus, not the official start of the system. furthermore, incarnates have a kind of in between relationship with gr. you needed it to access it, but it was not actually part of the boxed release.

this is not that unheard of, various costumes and powers that came out with issue 7 were not technically part of the cov launch, and could not be counted as such but did require it to continue. so technically the devs are correct, you didnt lose what you got at the retail release of gr, you merely lost the additional functionality that gr provided months after its launch. yeah, you see, they would prefer you keep subscribing, thats kinda the point, you get a limited game if you dont, unlike before when you got no game, but you still get the complete game if you subscribe. thats kind of intuitive really.

agreed, they are basically scrappers with additional ranged awesome, and if you take the team buffs, you become very popular in teams (even moreso if you double up with leaderships) plus the female wids, with the waist capes, really look amazing. i can dream of more claw options though.

speak fer yerself

tell it to bethesda, grumble.

just be glad i couldn't log in for most of this week, ya got lucky to take that one

ditto, i was happy to see that this seemed to be where dave and crew snuck in the more muscular option( as best he could without adding polygons which would have made it a much more complicated affair)

glad to hear things are better, now on to seeing titan weapons. I may seem to never get mad at the devs, but I just tend to view it in the context of the whole of gaming i have dealt with. Stuff will be good or bad, and if you beat yourself up over that little bit that doesnt fit, it only drives you nuts. it hurt my enjoyment of an unnamed bethesda game because they didnt have pole-arms, and it cost me enjoyment that's not going to come back, ever. you can affect some decisions, but the majority are going to be already made and have significant money and time resources into making stuff, stuff that jsut cant be changed. I had to quit investing myself in every battle or i'd lose all enjoyment of gaming. still want new alt anims for martial arts though, collin, i'm lookin at you.