rian_frostdrake

I actually picked the pack first. applied it to my account and then got the set. it seemed to apply for me.

I have a better one, dual pistols with a pirate hook hand. they allow it and i am happy that they do, if you are crazy enough to want it, they are crazy enough to allow it. just have a slight fold at the ends of the tentacles for grasping.

I loved that one, saw that a few years ago.

aimed at zombie man and smersh, not you. The question is whether or not the paid packs were back to back sexy options. cot still counts, regardless of what we saw or not. had you looked in pc gamer, you also would have known what the female gunslinger outfit looked months before beta, at least from the waist up. But regardless of that, Calling them back to back is inaccurate.

As for writing stylistic tips, sometimes the posts are typed in a stream of consciousness manner, Ill try to clean them up more. now about the lines of all caps, 4chan memes, bleeped out profanity and overuse of "smegging" in your posts. And, as often happens when one criticizes another person's grammar, its capitalization.

Also, you are calling someone on hyperbole? mr. steampunk pack is an "utter failure in design"? Your use of hyperbole is on the exact same level as bad's, your posting styles are actually amazingly similar.

ok but heres the thing, as you saw posted in the thread, we didnt get sexy after sexy. out of 16 packs only 5 had unique costume parts for women, some of which could be varying levels of skimpy, OR given the nature of the costume creator, could be entirely modest, your choice. so lets be honest, it was sexy(with tuxedo jackets as well for female characters), then unisex, then unisex, then unisex..down the line a bit, then magic which did sexy with varying levels of coverage, from little to total(witch bare to witch leather respectively), then we got unisex, unisex..till later on we got a steampunk set that had parts that could be sexy if you chose to not put anything underneath them, then unisex, then unisex, on and on. in fact, preceding the angst ridden gunslinger was the fully unisex cot and the halloween pack, which had a exclusive female hair, but otherwise was unisex. so the problem with sexy after sexy is it misrepresents what we actually have been getting, which is a mix of unisex with unique looks when they have significant iconic looks that work.

people, myself included, are happy the pack is no longer forced on us to get things we previously got in the market or ingame. the original concept i would not have purchased at any price because it was an issue of being forced if we wanted new content. since force has mostly been removed, i may well do a few "what the heck" flings during good overtime weeks to support the team that i already am paying a sub and using the market for. If i hit something good, woo, if not, i dont, i have the "buy it now" option, if i have been doing due diligence ingame. its currently a better situation (still waiting on costumes, obviously)

well, since im in a goofy mood after work ill work with your analogy, because i happen, for my job, to work with a number of tools of varying degree, and i build some very delicate electronics but i almost never use a large hammer, because there is always a better, more precise tool with less chance of destroying what it is trying to accomplish. a big hammer is the tool of a amateur or a clumsy worker, or someone who wants to destroy something utterly, not of someone who wants to build up something that works.

Kahn drem ov homie.

i was also giving you an opening to plug your skyrim character.

Though i really would like to hear about the steampunk set. its not a stylistic issue, its an issue with the feedback, one is clearly that the steampunk is bad, the other is that it is ok, good perhaps. thats not style, thats what the feedback actually means. and im not sure i'd consider it win/win, it was a hostile thread that got them to take the role of a abused shop clerk and ask us to clarify what the heck we actually want. i'm unsure how they won in this situation, they got abused, sworn at, called sexists and had their work thrown in their face, can they control their enthusiasm?

Leaner male characters, larger eyes and "better faces" are cool with me, /signed. give us some korean pop-star hair, some of my guys would like some styling in their look. also the stuff foxlee said. some of my collegiate-academic male characters are a bit more bicep-enhanced than their concepts call for, i'll pull a reverse sam and call for less muscular options for males. my guy is in a power suit because he's kind of wimp, it fits dang it. eh, its silly to try to speak for what anybody wants in terms of an entire gender. that specific strip, in addition to using a strawman argument and poisoning the well by having a fat, poorly dressed, unkempt guy asking the question. it has a general point but makes it poorly and with about as much bad argumentation.

That applies to both sides. feedback is a negotiation of give and take, not digging your heels in and demanding. nor is it beginning negotiations in bad faith with an already hostile stance.

That is a subjective point. the barbarian armor looked, as i mentioned earlier, close to what both xena wore as her regular costume and what red sonia wore in the 85 movie. I am well aware of what the foresworn looked like, i even mentioned them earlier in the thread (level 25 argonian destruction/restoration/alteration magic specialist, yo) and that also would have been one of a number of equally valid outfits but its a subjective question as to whether one is necessarily more evocative of a theme than another, at best one people can politely disagree on, not scream about in all caps, bleeped out profanity and an overuse of the word smegging. I'd have preferred a the martial arts pack contain the Chinese martial arts costumes i have been bugging for for nearly a decade now, but you dont see me losing my mind over a disagreement. I looked at what we got, adapted and made some pretty good stuff with what i got, i will do the same with gunslinger, male and female. In feedback it is a give and take and you are not always get exactly what you want because there are other perspectives involved, I'd love for them to drop everything and make me the alternate martial arts animations that i have been asking for since issue 16 (in the appropriate threads even), but its not just my call. the best you can do is give feedback in a constructive, non abusive fashion and work with what you get.

as for your point, you have jumped around a lot in your "point" the original post did complain specifically about the "sexy" option. in fact, rereading, your original post, you call the steampunk booster an "utter failure in design" now...is that your opinion, or is it that its "fine in the genre"? you seemed to have an extremely negative emotional reaction to it in the original post. I mean, we know there are going to be limited resources for each pack, as tex posted, MOST of them have been equal in gender(tech, science, mutant, beast, cot, natural, valkyie, and alpha and omega, as well as the idf and defense sets) with only magic, wedding, steam-punk, barbarian, and gunslinger being separate sets. and in the case of wedding, women got the male as well as exclusive pieces. I'm afraid i am really missing what caused the unholy rage from the original post. You are going to do this every time you subjectively think there may have been a better look for a costume than the one they went with?

dis hit it before i had a chance to, but when asked which costume pieces we wanted brought from npcs, do you remember which costume set was a clear winner? the carnie parts, specifically the corsets and thigh high boots. prior to stempunk there was a grand total of zero real corsets in game. there was the one leather top that looked corset like, but since it was "skin" option, it didnt fit a lot of my female characters who used reptile or mutant skin. so corsets were a repeatedly asked for option that we finally got, not directly in a carnie pack but in 3 packs where they thematically fit the looks.

now to refute you comment about barbarian, the outfit was leather armor with a fur trim, it was pretty much xena's armor with a bit less metal,or red sojnia's armor from the 80's movie, or the studded armor in skyrim. I reiterate that if we went with a general concensus of what "barbarians" wear, based on what readily comes up on an image search, then yes, it should have been a chainmail bikini with some facepaint. kinda glad they didnt go there, since the oblivion modding community has made me so sick of chainmail bikinis i cant stand to look at them. so yeah i disageee with your point here vehemently, what we got was justified by the genre and i found the complaints here to be disingenuous. another point is the corsets in the barb pack had a nice trick, since they actually made 3 of them with 3 types of bustier top, they gave the freedom to customize the look ANd it was when we finally got the muscular/defined female skin sam and i had been asking for for so long, so really,

lets go on to your point about steampunk, because it was subjective that women "lost" out there, they got a set that was specifically evocative oft the theme, they didnt get an additional costume set in addition to that, but givenhe average size of the costume packs, the steampunk set did have a comparable number of costume sets for women as men, and the pack was about average size for the cost.

and finally the gunslinger corset. As with many, i wish they had just called it the wild west pack and been done with it, because the saloon girl Is an iconic look for old west settings, one with a fairly defined look that resonates with a lot of people, and not just because of the possible link with prostitution. they could have given women jackets and chaps too, but i dont think the inculsion of an iconic look implies any kind of weak or submissive role for female characters. in a game where you can freely mix and match costume pieces, how you use the sets available and what image they evoke is entirely up to you.

so i disagree overall that the corsets are any part of the problem or were particularly out of place in the costume creator, they were something we asked for to fill a specific gap in costume options that the competition had us beat on for a long time(my beta character there had a corset in her costume) , and reasonably looking at the options they were iconic enough in their respective genres to warrant inclusion. so i have to disagree entirely with you on this topic. do the image searches, see what im talking about.

you HAVE to be joking.

ok, honest question, is paragon supposed to NOT represent the iconic representations in comics? this is a question i keep wondering because people keep throwing around the barbarian set and the steampunk set as punching bags, and im unsure where they wanted them to go with them other than where they went. As barabrian goes, look at the representations of women in so called barbarian stuff, now, are we going with grace jones' conservative attire in the conan movies? the costumes of women in various pictures by frazetta and vallejo's drawings? how about xena's outfits, or the female barbarian in diablo, or maybe the female foresworn in skyrim? because barring xena's samurai costume, none of those representations were more modest than what we got, in fact the mmo based on the more iconic barbarian is the only one that im aware of in the us that allows female avatars to run around topless. either way, if you look at what we actually got its fairly tame relative to most representative works in the subgenre.

Steampunk is similar, do an image search in either google or yahoo for steampunk clothing. make a note of what you see there. outside of the dresses, which we cant have for aesthetic reasons, bet you see a lot of corsets..and thats with safesearch on. things get a great deal racier but still within the general aesthetic when off. the only thing i didnt see was the split skirt, but i saw that as a comprimise to the games issues with animating wearing long dresses rather than an intentional slight to women. I reiterate, this is just steampunk clothing. steampunk women bolsters my case even mroe about what the representative look is if you feel a need to continue on, and you will notice this is not "steampunk sexy" its just the general prevailing look in the sub-genre. note im not saying every single outfit is corsets and boots, but count em up, see what your numbers are, and tell me what the representative look for a female steampunk costume is.

So i guess my question is this. if there is a continuous theme that you can see in a set, something that comes up over and over again, are you asking the developers to self censor based on how an iconic look may be "sexy". Should they simply ignore those subcultures..or shoudl they purposely make non-representative costumes for fear of upsetting people?