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It's a shame the time and money put into that wasn't spent on someone else.

Here's the thing though: no one cares what your past experiences are, what you've done, or who you are, because you're wrong.

For someone who "wrecks Corruptors" on his Rad/Rad Defender, you don't know jack **** about the PvP system in this game. Unless by "wrecks Corruptors" you mean "clicks the 'go to hospital' button every time you make it 10 feet past the base."

Holy crap, learn to multiquote. Saves everyone time.

Regarding this: this is a game. There is no "sportsmanship," there is no "honor." There is only living and dying, and given the choice between the two of them I will choose living almost every time. If you want to make fun of me because I get out of a bad situation, that's fine. I'll just take my free rep and chance at a PvP drop next the time I see you around and you decide to stay around and fight until you drop. In arena matches under the pre-I13 rules, there were sometimes cases where you had to take a death in order to win the match, because you needed to carefully manage your inspirations or risk making the last part of the match hell on yourself (like running yourself out of greens halfway through the match because you were playing too defensively). Those situations have been all but eliminated, so there's no reason at all to "stand and fight." This is a videogame and the only thing that matters is winning or losing, so I will do everything in my power to win, and everything in my power to not lose. I don't particularly care if someone wants to berate me for getting out of a bad situation, but at the end of the day that's one less chance you will have had for a PvP drop.

In short: I'm no good to my teammates when I'm in the hospital, but if I back off enough, I'll either manage to shake my pursuer or give my teammates time to find him and take him out.

Only the bad players are the ones complaining that someone "won't stand still and fight me!" Everyone else will either think "oh, they got away," will have teammates, or will have ways to keep you from getting away.

No one cares. The players who try PvP and leave the zone shortly afterwards wouldn't have stuck around to PvP anyways because they either cannot handle defeat or cannot figure out how to ignore other players. Most current PvPers put up with it at some point, but they ignored it. Everyone else can do the same, it's just a question of whether or not they will.

The devs have had far more to do with slicing up the PvP population than the PvPers themselves could have ever hoped. For proof, see Issue 13. Check out Freedom RV at just about any time of day or night and you'll see that it's still in full swing, at least in that zone on that server (and since most PvPers have concentrated there over the last few months, that's not so much an inconvenience as it is an unfortunate side effect of game-breaking changes).

In short, PvPers don't care if PvEers wander into their zone. If someone really wants to start PvPing, they'll take the necessary steps to do so.

...In response to the OP, from a PvEer's perspective they didn't know anything about you, your character, or your potential teammtes, whether or not they existed. Perhaps they were only there to get the temp power and wanted nothing to do with you (when I'm in BB or WB I am almost never looking for PvP and only want to get my temp power as fast as I can, though if someone attacks me or is in my way I'll do away with them). From a PvPers perspective... same deal. Don't know who you are, what your experience or build is, or if there are other teammtes. Most PvPers will try and stay out of a fight where there is uncertainty, especially under zone rules where getting out of a bad situation is difficult at times. If I'm solo and I see another player, I take stock of the situation before I decide to engage, because I want to be sure I'm engaging on my terms and not theirs.

Neither Barrier nor I were the one who said "Woah that can't be right, I demand proof!" when you threw a random number out there. Your "1%" might be from personal experience - Barrier's "30%" might be as well. Either way, you kind of went off the deep end when you heard a number that you didn't think could possibly be right, and you demanded he provide evidence, yet you too just threw out a number like it was a fact.

They were 100% chance during I14 closed beta but got changed because they were completely negating teleport (though I suppose an argument could now be made that the cost of the IOs themselves might make that a worthwhile tradeoff).

This is one of those "you use those words, but I do not think they mean what you think they mean" times. Learning to simply read and interpret would mean that every item in that list you've created for yourself is wrong, but that would cut into what's left of your argument so you continue to shove your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALA I AM RIGHT I CAN'T HEAR YOU." Because I'm feeling nice, though:

1. Gear doesn't matter. The only exceptions are higher-end arena matches where everyone has the gear. Will you be at a slight disadvantage if you don't have it? Sure, but that's the case in PvE as well, relatively speaking. Playing against people that are better-equipped than you requires you to put more effort into playing your character and devising strategies, which in turn makes you a better player. Perhaps you should try it sometime.

2. See above.

3. Skill is more important than build. That's what was said, that's what you keep ignoring. Part of the "skill" in building a character for PvP (or farming, or AV/GM soloing, or whatever else you want to do) is being able to make the money to buy what you want, the know-how and patience to get it cheap, and the ability to put that stuff together in a meaningful way.

4. No, it doesn't happen magically. No one said it did, but again you choose to ignore that. A team of experienced players will be faster on their target locks and more clean on their spikes, but it doesn't "just happen." People knowing what they're doing can make it seem like it does, though.

5. Upon entering a PvP zone, you are shown a dialog box saying you may be attacked by other player characters. If you continue in, you're giving your consent to be attacked. If you don't want to be attacked, be prepared to get away from a situation in which you might be attacked. Don't come and complain when something happens when you were warned at least once about that exact thing happening.

6. This is a reality of the current PvP system and the mechanics thereof, not the players. Your beef here is with the devs.

7. No, they're "bringing us down" because they expect to be able to compete on our level as soon as they step foot into the zone. Most of the players who are good today became so because they spent a lot of time learning what worked and what didn't in a PvP situation.

Odds are if someone outside the game looked at this thread they'd say, "Oh, this Another_Fan guy is probably very wrong, because there's not another person in this thread that's agreeing with him." Game, set, match.

Why? You didn't when you posted. By your logic his numbers are as good as your own.

As I said before, the rest of us contributed by giving you a good answer. It wasn't the one you wanted to hear, so you put your hands over your ears and said "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU." I'm just somewhat surprised that insulting other people because you're insecure and compensating for something hasn't got old yet. Hey, weren't you that guy who refused to copy a character to test and duel me back when I didn't have anything on Freedom? Oh yeah, that's right... you were.

By the way, here are some of this guy's PvP videos.

Which proves my point. People won't pay that much for a Luck Charm because it's not worth it to them, or anyone else - it's a common drop and therefore doesn't fetch a very high price. Midrange IO sets are a bit more rare, and the ones that are in high demand fetch a respectable price. Carry that on to purples and PvP IOs, and you see why they're so expensive. Low supply + high demand = high prices. I guarantee you that if the inf cap were higher than 2 billion, that +3% defense unique would sell for more.

To restate: try posting a Luck Charm at 1 billion inf and no one will buy it, because there's a steady supply at prices well below that. Same goes for purples. Once you start to get into the PvP IO range, though, you've got lots of people wanting a chunk of a small supply. When you see a recipe with lots bidding and few or none for sale, that recipe is almost always undervalued.

That's funny - I know a few people who PvP with SOs and they're quite effective. Here's the thing: prices are like a brick wall. That brick wall is there to stop people who don't want something badly enough. If you see the brick wall and give up, you're one of the people who don't want it badly enough. I'm all for making it easier for more people to get their hands on the stuff, but messing with the market isn't the way to do it - up the drop rates.

I don't remember those times, because they never existed. Are most PvPers very good PvEers? Sure. There are just as many people who are good at PvE and don't PvP for a variety of reasons. Your argument is ridiculous at best and you're doing a terrible job of trying to get anyone to take you seriously. The only items where you can place a reasonable bid and not have it fill for months at a time are PvP IOs, because they are incredibly rare. That, again, is a problem with the drop rates, not the market.

By most people's definitions, "I don't feel like it" equals "lazy." I don't buy from RMT sites, nor does anyone else I know, because spending real money on fake money that's incredibly easy to make is incredibly dumb. I like how you assume everyone with inf buys from RMT though, that goes a long way in furthering your argument. The reason those IOs cost 2 billion inf is because 1) they're incredibly rare and lots of people want them; and 2) the inf cap is 2 billion. I guarantee they'd be selling for more if that weren't the case.

No one was attacking or insulting anyone until you started spewing the crap about RMTers. Again, your problems are with the drop rates, not the market.

Or you can just not be a tard and refrain from using KB in a manner that would cause a player to ask you to stop. Classic cases are scattering a mob with Explosive Blast or running around with Hurricane on and Gale on auto targeting through the Tanker.

If you're using knockback effectively, no one will ever complain because you'll be herding mobs into corners or walls. If you're doing that and someone is still complaining, explain to them what they're doing. If that doesn't work, then there's the kick button.

IOs should be as expensive as the buyers are willing to pay for them. While it's the seller who enters in the number when he's listing a recipe, it's the buyer who really sets the price - for example, if you tried to list a Luck Charm for 2 billion inf, no one would buy it, because the buyers aren't willing to pay. Sellers can't charge more than the buyers will pay, generally speaking.

The market is that inf sink, especially when you're talking about people with lots of inf. 10% of every transaction just vanishes.

Fly is okay if you tie it with another travel power (usually Super Speed, sometimes Teleport). Like Supermax said it's not going to help you keep up with most teams in a zone though.