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Although I think having a wait period for rating would actually help, (personally I don't want anyone rating my arc if they didn't spend 10 minutes in it or send me a pm about how they couldn't get past the first mob) I don't think the devs would do that.

I honestly believe a thumbs up/thumbs down is a better alternative. You can still have the over all star score based on it as well. And if you weight it 3 for up, 1 for down, this focuses more on what people like versus don't like.

I've seen the thumbs up/thumbs down with 5 star overall in the works, used on a couple hundred people, and the only way to break it is to have a much larger population of people griefing than honest. Then if your arc has 10 up votes and 30 down votes, you would have a 2.5 out of 5 star rating. This is not a bad rating but not a great rating either which would be acceptable if if at least a quarter of the people playing it enjoyed it.

Then if you have 31 people who gave up votes and 10 people who voted down, you would have 4.51 stars, which rounded up, would still put you at 5 stars.

As the system is now, 31 people voting 5 stars and 10 voting 1 would give you a fairly solid 4 star rating (or at least that's how it appears, I don't know the exact weight for the current system).

The up/down vote would also cut out the complications of how people see a 4 star vote the same way another sees a 2 star vote.

It's easy, it favors the positive rather than the negative and less people would [censored] about a down vote than a 1 star vote ("this is a decent arc but I just didn't like it" vs "this arc represents the worst level on the rating system")

Plus I think most people hang out at the extreme sides of 4-5 star or the 1-2 star range anyway. I would be curious if the devs could mine the raw stats on how many people vote 1 vs 3 stars.

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The irony here is if he didn't have the EBs, people would be screaming that the army of enemy EBs was unfair and docking stars.

Not to mention it says right in the arc description that you'll be getting tons of EB allies and little xp on the mission, so anyone who is suprised by this didn't read the arc warning, and also that if you don't want to rescue the Red Shifts you don't have to; it's really easy to just rescue the single one you HAVE to then ditch him, if you're so concerned about it.

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I'm sorry but this is the worst post I have ever read. It has entirely too many vowels. The color is very average and does nothing to pique my interest. I personally find irony offensive and when you make a forum post, it needs to include me in it or don't bother posting at all.

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Problem is many think that 5 should only be reserved for near godhood perfect arcs. With most stuff averaging a 3. If the person REALLY feels it wasn't good then 1 in that instance to them is perfectly valid. Remember, 1 is NOT the lowest rating in this system. (And yet another flaw of why the system needs to die in FIRE btw).

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Seriously. If the system worked, we'd have arcs in the hall of fame. By rating GOOD arcs with a 5 instead of GODLIKE arcs, we actually increase the number of GOOD arcs to choose from. As it stands, we have crap to choose from and no HoF.

Thumbs up, thumbs down, with a weight on the thumbs up (it takes 3 down votes to counter one up) is the best way to combat griefing. Sure it won't be perfect either but at least it will act as a filter because I have to believe that there are more reasonable players out there than griefers. Over time, the good stuff will float to the top even with the griefing 24/7.

I don't see any indication that the current rating system has any sympathy for decent arcs that aren't pushed to the front. Novem, I would ASK people to play it and rate it, giving you feedback in the process. That is how most of the decent arcs got started is by getting people who might actually be interested play it. Otherwise it just gets lost in all the crud.

I would be more than happy to try your arc. There are others on this forum who do try, rate, and review just from people asking.

There's also the "try mine, I'll try yours" method. This seems pretty popular for getting arcs played and rated.

You don't have to go to the most popular reviewer, either. IMO some of them are a little full of themselves anyway. Just get people to play it. Ask. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Soul, HA asked Geek to post it. And also decided to come out and identify himself when Geek was polite enough to keep him nameless. It's his bed and he made it.

Basically, there is a critique and a non critique. A critique is something like "this is how you can improve your arc" or "here are some things you may want to change." It's polite, has a good delivery, doesn't step on any toes.

The other one, which HA has decided he wanted to start, is basically, your arc sucks because I don't like it. It's rude, it doesn't do anything to help the arc. And this some how proves that everyone will rate Geeks arc as 1 star? How does anyone think this is a nice, respectful, and reasonable critique.

How would you have reacted if someone came up to you and said "Hey about your art, I don't like it. It's highly flawed" and then listed things that basically amounted to: start over. It's insulting really.

If HA really wanted Geek to respect his critique, he might have started with, "I rated your arc a one, but I think it could get better if you made these adjustments. I'm more than willing to rerate if you decide to make these changes."

See the difference?

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Least you're aiming low. Then you can't really fail can you? Hope the low bar doesn't effect how much effort you put into especially since it seems like you're taking a long time for an average rating.

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I'd hardly call aiming for a middle-of-the-road rating a "low bar". And don't worry, it's not having an impact on the quality of the arc. I just feel it's not one that will appeal to most out there; it has an origins story as a subplot, though the primary series of events is separate from it.

But at any rate, this whole thing has taken the thread off topic. Time to put this particular line of discussion to bed and let the posts find their way back to the tracks, as it were.

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This simply proves the point that rating is broken because no one understands where 3 stars is versus 5 stars because it's ambiguous and yet it directly effects the over all rating on the arc from getting exposure for other people to play, ie the front page.

No, it's applicable to this thread. You can rationalize that your 1 star is legit, and therefore there are other legit 1 stars on Geeks arc. And I can rationalize that you are a freak outlier that would rate Van Gough as trash and therefore not a valid representation of what the general population would rate Geeks arc IF they actually played it.

And origin stories never work because honestly no one really cares where your character came from. The only reason people make them is to stroke their own gamer egos. Just some helpful advice for you future arc.

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Been working on one for some time now; been taking me a while to overcome (at least to my liking) the very limitations you mention. I'm aiming for a 3 Star average for myself, at least for my first arc.

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Least you're aiming low. Then you can't really fail can you? Hope the low bar doesn't effect how much effort you put into especially since it seems like you're taking a long time for an average rating.

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i think i get your point, thing is,
mine is that honnesty will prevail.


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Only if you are following the rules. I'm sure you've tried this when you drove while intoxicated and answered "I'll be honest; I'm DRUNK" when the cop asked you.

Did it work?

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imma be frankly: i got lotsa accounts, stop it, or i will start.

An eye for an eye.

Im french, but im rude.

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Shouldn't that be "so" not "but?"

This isn't really an effective threat because it already happens. I don't look for 5 star ratings because it's all crap. Strangely enough, the 4 star ratings are a better indicator of decent maps than 5 star.

And if you want to make an arc that doesn't get banned, for gods sake don't say "warning this is for farming." If you make an arc that has a plot (any plot really) that doesn't say "farm", they can't really ban it. On the other hand, it might take away from the number of people playing it but it's the price you pay for not getting banned.

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I reserve 0-Stars for the few you mention that don't put thought into their arc. In my mind, and by my rating system, 1-5 are valid ratings for an arc based on how it played. Geek may have put a lot of work into it, but it felt like I was watching a movie, and not taking part in events.

In fact, during the big climax I only used powers once, to free the first EB ally I encountered. He was sufficient to free the rest of the EB ally army without assistance, which was then able to defeat the enemy EBs with no help from me. I played no role in the mission at all, and there was no way my character was the focus of the plot.

In my mind, any arc where the player is not the focus starts at 3 Stars. The aforementioned plot holes, poor execution, and overpowered and overused allies were sufficient in my opinion to drop it to 1. This does bring up a question in my mind, however; why is 1-Star so bad in your opinion that you feel it shouldn't be given out? The game defines 1-Star as "Poor", which I feel this arc is. It seems like a valid rating; why do you consider it overzealous?

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EDIT: This isn't about "I didn't get any xp during this mission" issue is it? Because that's all that's really wrong with that particular mission. It's a story, go with it.


See, I would never want anyone like you reviewing my arc because you don't bring anything to the table but how to make the arc more to your own liking. There is nothing functional about your critique, simply generalizations of your own feelings.

As far as 1 star, it is an insult. Saying an arc is "poor" is an insult and adds nothing from a critique point of view. And I wouldn't rate yours as 1 star if you put effort into it.

I'm curious, have you made any arcs? Do you even know the functions and limitations of MA?

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One was from someone who I'll let stay anonymous who wrote me the longest, most hilariously bad review I've seen since John Petric saw Def Leopard a few years back.

Well, except he can be entertaining on purpose.

It was obviously given because this person wanted to prove that some of us saying that the ratings griefing is systematic should reconsider and instead think that we deserved those 1's and 0's. They have a novel approach, though. Everyone else just told me I was full of it and ignored empirical evidence. This guy actually went through the trouble of playing my arc and thinking he was proving a point.

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That anonymous individual would be me. I 1-Starred the arc because I didn't enjoy it, felt it was poorly executed, and had blatant plot holes.

There is a problem with 1-Star grieffing, I'm not even going to try denying that. I never intended to. I have good friends who have likely been the victim of such. Nor did I set out to prove a point. I simply did not like the arc.

To believe every 0 and 1-Star rating is a grief rating is idiotic. Just because you and others feel your arc should deserve a certain minimum rating doesn't mean everyone else will. And those that didn't like it may very well rate the arc as such. This was the case in this instance.

As an aside, if you decide to ridicule someone when they actually make an attempt to provide feedback after rating your arc poorly, perhaps you shouldn't be surprised or upset when no one else tells you why they gave your arc a low rating. I made sure to provide you with such after you claimed to be upset by the fact that none had. That's why I made sure to do so. But your obvious contempt for my thoughts makes me feel I should have simply 1-Starred your arc and remained silent as well.

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I don't one star my most hated enemies. I reserve that punishment for those who put no effort into their arcs (ie "stuff happened here" "here's this dude").

Geek put a LOT of effort into his map and although I don't expect everyone to like it, I would expect most would be reasonable about rating such maps. You can find fault in anything if you look hard enough. The point is whether or not it's warranted or overzealous. Within the parameters of the game, I would say that a reasonable person could find geeks arc enjoyable even IF there were perceived flaws in the story. As it stands, I believe this is something more personal and don't for a second take it at face value for a legitimate score.

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I think they're not looking at the old badges because their primary goal is to "fix" the MA and then move on to adding new content. I, for one, would rather have City of Rogues than a few hundred badges revisited.

This is a quick fix to a current problem. The MA arcs that exist only for badge hunting are a problem they want solved quickly, so they're removing any use for them. It's quick, simple, and while I'll miss my badges (especially the ones that let me brag about tickets earned by my arcs), I think it's pretty elegant.

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This makes sense. Quick fix, move on. I also agree that I would rather see work put into Going Rogue than have devs waste there time on badges.

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well, now that they are removing about 89 of them... you'll be back under 500 soon...

And I'll be back under 700...

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If you have over 700 badges, you should have some removed... and maybe your sanity checked!

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Actually I might file a ticket on this . All my toons got booted from the old SG and now I can't access the base. The registrar says the SG DOES still exist, so the base must too. I'd really like to have it back.

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If that doesn't work, keep in mind they completely changed how bases are decorated and paid for. Larger plots are cheaper and storage is a little different, stacking/floating is WAY easy now. You might want to completely overhaul the base anyway so why not start from scratch?

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I'll toss my characters onto the pile. =)

First character: Tomatre
The monkeygirl. Tomatre is a normal-looking girl except for her monkey tail. She wears lots of different outfits as long as they're fancy and interesting (and sometimes overly gaudy). She's always playful and flirtatious and is always looking to have fun, which can sometimes get her into trouble. You can learn more on her VV page. There are a lot more pictures and info there.

Second character: Victoria Noir
Classy French Widow. Vicky's a short woman with a classy attitude. She has a thick French accent and sometimes mixes/confuses words. In public, tends to be overly formal and polite, usually overdressing or offering fancy bows and other such things. Doesn't change the fact that she's an effective assassin! Check VV to see more.

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I will punish you next.

Why can't they keep some of the easy counts badges?

I totally give kudos to the devs for doing this but damn, some of those badge titles are really cool.

EDIT: obvously I did tl:dr and now see you suggested this as well.

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Hey everyone! I think Londer's had a pretty good birthday if I do say so myself, and it ain't quite over yet.

I know he appreciates the well wishes, and also there was a Rikti happy birthday song from the big bug that was pretty classic.

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We went out for Indian food with some friends and I had to pass the phone around to everyone. Hope you don't mind, Esch, it was an awesome message.

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hahaha


Well it's a good surprise then!

By the way, why aren't you out getting birthday gifts?

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Oh he's gotten lots of gifts. And who knows... maybe he'll get more later tonight.

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Anachrodragon enrolled me in a rather expensive fine arts class for figure drawing. Talk about shocked. I was so unprepared, I showed up in my sweat pants and a sweat shirt. I was all: <.< >.>

whow...

I wasn't expecting this.

o__o

SURPRISE FORUM BIRTHDAY PARTY

O__o

<__<

>__>

O__O

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O__O


Thanks!!

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awwwwww.

Guess I'll look when I get home.

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I posted on the super secret forums for you.

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I'll toss mine in

here is Hochroter Drache reference
hope it gets through

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Congradulations!

You have been randomly selected to have your character abused- er uh I mean drawn by an amateur artist. Enjoy.

http://londerwost.deviantart.com/art...ache-123031612

aw thanks guys.

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if they kept CoH going by preventing farms from existing, they've failed miserably or 5 years now.

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I didn't say that. But the have closed exploits on a regular basis. They HAVE to.

actually the main reason farming is bad is because you in a sense "win the game." Basically, game designer has to make a profit in order to give you cool stuff so they want the game to have some longevity. As soon as you introduce farming it lowers the value of currency and raises the prices on items. In a sense gives you everything that would have been worth working for. Why do you need to nickel and dime over an IO for 100 million when you can just farm and outright buy it. Why keep playing the game when you have every rare IO, badge, etc. Then players who don't farm do get left behind for advancement because they can't keep up with inflated costs.

This becomes a liability for the devs. They haven't kept CoH going for 5 years on people who take advantage of exploits and/or farm. They did it by cutting out exploits and then putting out decent content for people to play.

You guys were smart enough to figure out the exploits, you'd think you'd know that the exploit wasn't really acceptable and would probably get fixed once enough people drew attention to it.

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* portal opens up* hand reaches out and grabs all the hard liquor, beer, and soda pop and then mysteriously dissapears...
( insert evil virtue plot music here)


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If there's something you don't do, it's touch another mans alcohol without asking permission. The other thing you don't do is drink crap quality.

*opens fridge full of different varieties of premium beers*

Help yourself, Fuegos.