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Quote:Originally Posted by Eldorado
The OP being wrong is pretty normal around here. The OP is apparently also a two-faced troublemaker who needs to stop stirring crap up on the forums and just go back to living under his bridge:
Please tell us, o holier-than-thou one, exactly how DO you amass a net worth of hundreds of billions of INF without occasionally fleecing some of the ignorant masses you're now pretending to be claiming to try to protect?
The sheer stupidity of a "one-percenter" ranting and wailing about the other "one-percenters" is sort of hysterical. What's the real issue here? "I got mine, but damned if you should get yours?"
I realized that you think bad of people that are rich. But being angry at me for trying to protect off market buyers your anger is misplaced. As well as I earned that stuff. I at one time played this game way to much while recovering from an injury(severe too). So how I got rich is irrelevant what is relevant is that your from what i read a little jealous and skeptical of my intentions.
But this comment:
"The sheer stupidity of a "one-percenter" ranting and wailing about the other "one-percenters" is sort of hysterical. What's the real issue here? "I got mine, but damned if you should get yours?"
is putting the pain and suffering of the real world people that are the 99%ers and their cause into a video game. Your using bad logic and a somewhat flawed comparison to my super hero video game where i fight giant rocks and thorn bushes.
But if you want to please continue to rail against one of the few that are actually putting this out there.
So if you have something to say constructive I would love to hear it. I suspect its probably trivial and thats why even in a video game your 99% -
Quote:This thread is about off market transaction over the cap while a major impending change is about to occur in the market.Originally Posted by Eldorado
The OP being wrong is pretty normal around here. The OP is apparently also a two-faced troublemaker who needs to stop stirring crap up on the forums and just go back to living under his bridge:
Please tell us, o holier-than-thou one, exactly how DO you amass a net worth of hundreds of billions of INF without occasionally fleecing some of the ignorant masses you're now pretending to be claiming to try to protect?
The sheer stupidity of a "one-percenter" ranting and wailing about the other "one-percenters" is sort of hysterical. What's the real issue here? "I got mine, but damned if you should get yours?"
Its different from marketing off market cause i did all that on the market before the announcement of an impending shift in marketing. I also did that all at fair market prices not one off market sale ever.
And as far as me making my influ on the market honestly is very different than someone charging 1 bill over the cap for something that is currently as of this writing about 1.2-1.5 bill. Thats a 100% overcharge.
Also this thread was begun only a couple days ago.
My though process was that once you get so close to this kind of major shift its not nice to fleece unsuspecting people.
At least on the market you can watch the last 5 and follow it for a couple days and you have a fair understanding about where the market is on certain things.
Also having played from almost the begining of this game i have had a lot of time to work on my fortune. As well as I saved every hamio i had for about 2 years (many were 51,52,53 not +,++,+++ they became quite valuable and i had hundreds.
Plus some purple flipping since you are so interested in my marketing ablity. As well as an AFK pvp IO farm about 3 years ago i guess now.
BUt that was deemed ok by the devs so nothing bad there. -
Quote:So in this video game that people are already paying for. Just so i get this straight. I want to be clear what your saying here because i think its important.Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Caveat emptor.
If someone is too stupid/impatient to do the work to find themselves the best deal and wind up paying the "Buy It NAO!" price that's THEIR problem. It's not the seller's fault they grossly overpaid..
So if someone does not know the market is about to change, and they are "stupid" in that they dont spend the time on the market or the boards that you and I do clearly. Its ok to charge them over the cap price. Because thats what this thread is about. If you charge 1 billion ingame and someone who does not know and is not informed. Also this person may have saved for many months to get one of these. You think its ok to charge them over the cap off market, "because they are stupid" is that what you are saying?
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from a different thread but true logic
Originally Posted by Texarkana
I think it is, significantly, until atleast Tuesday. And, then longterm, once stock is exhausted, the "not-so-good" purples will rise to that 300m watermark, with the "good" purples rising even higher, but no where near pre-i22 levels.
I don't think so, for the simple reason that farmers (1%/ebil marketers) are far more the exception, and I assume most players may not have that much funding by the time i22 hits. As noted, those folks in the upper class are set, but as purples drop in price, I don't see much of a way for the middle or lower classes to get a leg up (aside from ATOs which are not acquired through any in-game means).
I'm actually a little concerned about the game based on this progression.
Before inventions, people basically farmed for INF directly and might occasionally score the diamond in terms of Hami's or Titans (assuming they'd be willing to sell it off).
When inventions came, farmers had...more to farm for, but farming became more accessible to everyone in terms of reaping, particularly when it came to Magic salvage.
Reward merits and AE tickets were the equivalent of the Louisiana Purchase -- the west was opened. More fertile land to reap in terms of salvage. People could simply buy up needed salvage with those currencies and plug it into recipes, or else could also sell that salvage off without necessarily having to invest time in acquiring INF first.
Continuing that analogy, although the Lousiana Purchase "opened up farmland", there were still veins of precious metals out there to be found (i.e. Purple recipes and respec recipes). We call it farming for recipes, but in reality those folks were panning for gold, and when they found it, it freqently was the mother lode, as evidenced by the offline arrangement of transactions.
Then comes along Incarnate Rewards in terms of Astral and Empyrean Merits as well as Alignment Merits. Althought slightly time-locked, purples are now purchaseable with direct, farmable currency and consequently, we have the rise of the true 1% (see The_Masque from November to December 2011 for an example) who really worked the system and profited from it.
Superpacks come along a few weeks back and now we have Reward-merits galore. For those folks sustaining themselves on orange salvage sales at 2-3million INF per pop, I fear their days are numbered.
And then, of course, converters come out on Tuesday, making any purple a possible unique with enough converting, which will impact all the high value uniques. In this case, getting a toon to 50 and committing to running every trial successfully every day over the course of a week in order to nail that one big 2billion inf score on a shield wall or gladiator starts to fizzle.
2 billion can go a long way for most people (min/maxers and ebil marketers aside). Basically, I think anyone new to the game or relatively casual/middle classed in terms of total inf holding will...lose a significant method/opportunity to improve their economic standing in the game.
I am shocked and surpirsed by your analasiys in that i cannot spell and that i did not thikn of this.
2 billion can go a long way for most people (min/maxers and ebil marketers aside). Basically, I think anyone new to the game or relatively casual/middle classed in terms of total inf holding will...lose a significant method/opportunity to improve their economic standing in the game
this is a very big deal you are correct. I was only thinking of myself. But this change will make poor (influ-wise) even poorer.
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Quote:I am shocked and surpirsed by your analasiys in that i cannot spell and that i did not thikn of this.Originally Posted by Texarkana
I think it is, significantly, until atleast Tuesday. And, then longterm, once stock is exhausted, the "not-so-good" purples will rise to that 300m watermark, with the "good" purples rising even higher, but no where near pre-i22 levels.
I don't think so, for the simple reason that farmers (1%/ebil marketers) are far more the exception, and I assume most players may not have that much funding by the time i22 hits. As noted, those folks in the upper class are set, but as purples drop in price, I don't see much of a way for the middle or lower classes to get a leg up (aside from ATOs which are not acquired through any in-game means).
I'm actually a little concerned about the game based on this progression.- Before inventions, people basically farmed for INF directly and might occasionally score the diamond in terms of Hami's or Titans (assuming they'd be willing to sell it off).
- When inventions came, farmers had...more to farm for, but farming became more accessible to everyone in terms of reaping, particularly when it came to Magic salvage.
- Reward merits and AE tickets were the equivalent of the Louisiana Purchase -- the west was opened. More fertile land to reap in terms of salvage. People could simply buy up needed salvage with those currencies and plug it into recipes, or else could also sell that salvage off without necessarily having to invest time in acquiring INF first.
- Continuing that analogy, although the Lousiana Purchase "opened up farmland", there were still veins of precious metals out there to be found (i.e. Purple recipes and respec recipes). We call it farming for recipes, but in reality those folks were panning for gold, and when they found it, it freqently was the mother lode, as evidenced by the offline arrangement of transactions.
- Then comes along Incarnate Rewards in terms of Astral and Empyrean Merits as well as Alignment Merits. Althought slightly time-locked, purples are now purchaseable with direct, farmable currency and consequently, we have the rise of the true 1% (see The_Masque from November to December 2011 for an example) who really worked the system and profited from it.
- Superpacks come along a few weeks back and now we have Reward-merits galore. For those folks sustaining themselves on orange salvage sales at 2-3million INF per pop, I fear their days are numbered.
- And then, of course, converters come out on Tuesday, making any purple a possible unique with enough converting, which will impact all the high value uniques. In this case, getting a toon to 50 and committing to running every trial successfully every day over the course of a week in order to nail that one big 2billion inf score on a shield wall or gladiator starts to fizzle.
2 billion can go a long way for most people (min/maxers and ebil marketers aside). Basically, I think anyone new to the game or relatively casual/middle classed in terms of total inf holding will...lose a significant method/opportunity to improve their economic standing in the game
this is a very big deal you are correct. I was only thinking of myself. But this change will make poor (influ-wise) even poorer.
Very good point -
Converters are coming
Actually you lost big time. There is no gain you lost about 700 mill at least
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Quote:You and i disagree with the numbers by about 100 mill(which is about 25%) of my numbers. I can see your thought process and i can say I agree with most of what you said. And will not be surprised by them being lower having has some time to think about it. In fact maybe even lower than both of us thought.Originally Posted by Plasma
If the swing is that high it will only be because people want to BUY IN NAO/SELL IT NAO. The "cost" of a converter is ~2-15m depending on how you acquire it. That's way too cheap to permit a 300m influence spread.
Here's how the math shakes out:
Assuming 6 "less desirable sets" and 4 "more desirable" sets, it takes an average of ~2.25 converters to hit a "good" set from a bad one.
To convert inside a set (assuming 1 desired IO and 5 undesired ones), it takes an average of ~15 converters (that's 5 converts @ 3 converters each).
If for some reason you want to target a specific set (ie, you want exactly one particular purple set), then "hitting" that specific set will require, on average, ~9 converters.
So even given ANY purple and wanting to convert it to ANY other specific purple, the average number of converters required would be ~24.
24 converters is 2.4 HAM/VAMs + 6m influence, or 12 Astral Merits + 6m influence, as an example. You can do the math on how much influence you can extract from the HAM/VAMs or the A-merits, but ultimately, the cost of 24 converters is less than 100 million, and so the differential between the LEAST expensive purple and the MOST expensive purple should generally be less than 100M.
Now, of course, people will still overpay/undersell. It was possible for a particular Armageddon recipe already to have a >400M swing. However, what I'm expecting to see is purples ranging from 150M-200M on the low end, to 300-350M on the high end. -
"I would submit the possibility that the people buying these before issue 22 hits are speculating, and hoping to strike it rich. The market is an odd mistress. Hard to know how she'll act. So, please, try not to suggest that those who sell are mean, or cheating. The same very well could be true of the buyers."
I Disagree with this line of thinking completely. Also I think that since you said "Apparently, you have not read another of my posts. It stated that, on the internet, the way to start an argument is to express an opinion, and then wait. I merely took the contrary position, as you no doubt hoped someone would.
If you choose to debate morality, do so.
Your position is that it's wrong/mean to sell an IO to someone when days later it will be far more affordable."
I would think that you are not believing what you said your self and are merely looking for argument and I have not the time to research you or argue with you about what I think you yourself know is disingenuous and flat out the wrong way to conduct business. Taking a contrary position to create an argument is a trolling move. So plese troll over there unless you have something to contribute in regards to this post.
And this post in itself is a warning to other people to not be taken for a ride in buying off market. As you see in this thread some didnt know about i22 converters. -
Quote:I know what your saying is not true. Selling an io for 3 billion of market now is cheating to someone who does not know whats coming.Originally Posted by Plasma
Not the case. Selling off market now - or even on market - is just acting on publicly available information. As usual, most people don't care about the market. What's coming in Tuesday is largely good for them. Yes, people who wanted purple mez sets may be sad, but basically everyone else is going to discover everything is more affordable, so it's hardly bad news for them.
Spin it anyway you like its not the right thing to do unless you just need influ and are willing to do anything to get it. -
. They are knowingly and without care defrauding the people buying as to the value of the object they are buying.
in the real world this is a crime you go to jail for? so if you cant go to jail in this game for this type for rime dont compare it to life. -
Quote:You have contradicted yourself in 2 sentances. Not only is this not Micro-soft or walmart. Its more like A lemonaide stand than anything you have offered. Its a video-game mostly played by children and by people like me the child inside.Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Is it mean to purchase shares of Microsoft and Wal-Mart before they became successful?
Is it mean to sell those shares before the economic downturn?
I don't think so.
Do we as a community have a responsibility to inform our fellow players of the likely impact of issue 22? I do think we are morally obligated to answer questions if asked, but if they don't ask, I see no reason to infer that they are ignorant.
Some folks have more money than sense, some just want what they want when they want it. (NAO!)
And how could you possibly after all this time continue to talk about a video-game in the real world terms of life and gain and loss.
Its time to stop the roleplay this is not a real market and the devs have decided to KILL yes KILL maybe MURDER or OBLITERATE is better but they have thrown the gauntlet down.
The marketing days are different. Not gone just chanfged profits lowerd. Deal with it. But dont compare this to Microsoft. I knew Microsoft and apple and sam walton. You sir are no Same Walton. So please dont even try to compare this to real life. Cause the people that are trying to sell an io for 2 billion off market are cheating the people buying. They are knowingly and without care defrauding the people buying as to the value of the object they are buying. -
Is just taking candy from babies. Its profiting of the uninformed.
Its mean
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But pvp procs are gonna not be sold off market anymore. I alone could crush the resist proc pvp 3% market, or panacea.
SO i think it will be not cheap but not 3 billion off market hustles.
And yea purples will be in demand. No doubt about that. But last night i Sold an arm triple(i think) for 800 mill. I think those days are gone.
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Quote:Having used a very rare time travel device with a camera I have take a picture of me in the future on Weds morn.Originally Posted by Its_Me_Matt
Me on Tuesday.
Me on Tuesday
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Quote:I am more like 7/10ths panic about itOriginally Posted by Zombie Man
Converters *possibly* come out Tuesday. Nothing in the Beta Patch Notes or on the Official web page links Converters to I22.
Just like Super Packs introduced ATOs and Catalysts completely unconnected with an Issue Release, so, too, Converters may not be linked to I22.
Or they may.
So, half panic.
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Converters come out tuesday!
bye bye market I predict total mayhem till it all sorts itself out
On Tuesday, March 6th, 2012, the Live North American and European City of Heroes servers will be taken offline to publish Issue 22: Death Incarnate. The expected downtime is eight hours.
Start time: 4:00 AM PST/ 7:00 AM EST/ 12:00 PM GMT/ 13:00 CET
Expected finish time: 12:00 PM PST/ 3:00 PM EST/ 8:00 PM GMT/ 21:00 CET
Patch notes for Issue 22 will be available as soon as possible following the publish.
We apologize for any inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
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I am the new format.
Blue ray killed dvd
Dvd killed video
video killed the pvp star
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Yes i ran a test and Purples are easier to get now then ever i killed about 10,000 freaks on my dreck map and I got one.
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As far as i can see on test no they still sick bantha knuts
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I saw someone in Atlas selling farm runs +4/8
300 million per run.
I almost fell over
I sent him a tell telling him what it thought of that amount. I wasnt buying infact was just running to a train to finish a hero merit run i was doing.
who would pay that much for one farm map.
I have more influ than i can ever use. And i would never do that.
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they drop now why spend 90$
farm on itrials thats all -
I run a sheild/elec/fire brute.
Its totally pimped out(purples and atos and one pvpios set, 5 lotgs etc...) And i run almost always the dreck map farm
Is there something faster. I run it at lvl 50 and im +3(+1 on this map) but really I am 2 hitting mobs.
What could be faster than killing 16 in two hits.
with a perma hasten what could possible be better?
Please let me know.
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I run a sheild/elec brute.
Its totally pimped out. And i run almost always the dreck map farm
Is there something faster. I run it at lvl 50 and im +3(+1 on this map) but really I am 2 hitting mobs.
What could be faster than killing 16 in two hits.
with a perma hasten what could possible be better?
Please let me know.
with numbers
if possible -
I hope but i doubt it