graystar_blaster

sorry for the spelling its terrible ill try to reread next time im making dinner so i rushed that post.

ill read befoer i post next time my spelling was horrible sorry i had too much wine as im making dinner atm

sorry

Your not getting it


For someone to buy that stuff


NEW influ had to be earned and the only way to "earn" "new" influ is to kil npcs.


what u sell on the market is irrelevant thats is the point. To sell on market someone had to "earn" "NEW" influ to but itl. the Market is a sink for influ it makes it go away to sell something NEW influ had to bed printed or "earned"

so to say the market helped you is to say your not understanding what im getting at which is totally ok try to look at it in a analytical perspective. Its not what you got from the market its what INFLU ONLY came from npcs kills.


and how did that new influ afford what you sold.

I would say that the player base is less than the capita of the players remaining can generate.

Please provide numbers with an equation before assuming i dont understand economics. And furthermore this is a game and economice while important for a market as we are experiencing here in our little game is important i will postulate to you that there is less influ generated today than 6 monts ago yet prices are more than 8x. So the dev fix on earnings are not enough to compensate for the increase on prices.

I also would like to add that pvp ios as well as purples and some regular ios are so far ahead of the price from months ago that the current base(my server is way less then 10x less than just 6 months ago) acroos all server is down so the increase in prices is not sufficant to account for dwindling pop.

Please for reference go back to my original discussion to new people reading this before we get off topic

cliff notes" population decline versus the increase in xp earned by the new mecahncs is not enought to account for the spike in prices"

u say that it takes less than a day it does not you have to kill 2 bill worth of npcs to generate "NEW" influ thats my point the population is way down. Yes they farm 2 bill easily a day but look at whats selling a day. Its SOOOOoo muchmore than that where is the "NEW" money coming from.

and how long would it "ACTUALLY" take you to farm 100 mill not drops but real influ generation?

i have sold so many high end ios its not feasable that les people are playing that much more.

yes IOS are not influ innfamy

and ther is les than half the original base playing and price are more than double

but the markets dont make money they disolve it. Also more influ per kill is not enough to accomidate the rapid inflation. Think about it. A two billion io takes months to farm enogh for and there is more going out than coming in. Where is the NEW money coming from

THIS THIS THIS


My point is best made by this quote. Getting a purple is not making anything cause you have to "sell" it only killing an npc generates. So with less people where is all this "NEW" influ/infamy coming from



Example i got a apoc dmg recipe. Its awsome but I didnt get anything unless i use it. So i sell it where did that influ/infamy come from. Its 200+ mill actually more but for arguement sake lets say its 200 mill. That 200 hundred mill had to come from killing npcs thats the only place "new" influ/infamy comes from.

So with a lower player base why are prices GOING UP i cant farm more than i did before and less are playing so where is all the new influ/infamy coming from

agreed but the rest of my comment
any ideas there

maybe

just thought id say nice build im going very similar to this route in a day or two once fifty only a farm or two more to go

I really didnt intend this post to go this way but here is some interesting reading

http://www.publicknowledge.org/node/1546

it is clearly complicated, and the courts cant decide it nor can lawmakers so i doubt in a fourm post we will get it done here.


and i dont wish to keep this poing anymore i have enouigh of these conversations in my family, i dont want another in the game.

o come on now. I was refering to the things i have on my account in a legal sense however....


if u are interested some of the things arnt theirs either

ill refer you to patent 6,731,314 and it lawsuits regarding it not to mention many other lawsuits the game and all mmos have had against them.


and in regards to the "MY" aspect its allready been stated in some courts that owner/User generated content is possibly and or is the personal "intellectual Property" of the genertor. Specifically from things that happend in the mmo secondlife and WoW. Of course there is the end user agreement but its been established that you can not give away or agree to give up your rights for example when you get a sjob and sign a contract if you ever sign a non-compete clause it wont hold up in court that infringes on you constituional rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiess. with certain exceptions such as miranda and even then you can reclaim them ex post facto i belive via the 5th ammendment.

in fact i would argue that the stuff on my account is mine. And not the property of ncsoft, when i buy a coke or a pepsi its not theirs anymore.

I of course with that pepsi or coke cannot now re-market it or use its logos thats their rights. Ios, salvage, etc... it is kind of the smae thing. Ncsoft made it i bought it now its mine. As long as im not remarketing it in a non approved way. Or change the codeing etc... to further damage their I.P. rights.


this is how they say it. in the EULA

(c) Member Content. Members can upload to and create content on our servers in various forms, such as in selections you make and characters, certain additions to the game world, and items you create for the Game(s), and in bulletin boards and similar user-to-user areas ("Member Content"). By submitting Member Content to or creating Member Content on any area of the Service, you (i) you represent and warrant that you have the necessary rights to submit such Member Content; (ii) the Member Content does not infringe the proprietary rights of any third-party, including intellectual property rights; and



this part is where u agree to actually forfeit a right under the law. Its common practice but if you wanted to sue you could u cant give away your rights.

(iii) acknowledge and agree that such Member Content is the sole property of NC Interactive. To the extent that NC Interactive cannot claim exclusive rights in Member Content by operation of law, you hereby grant (or you warrant that the owner of such Member Content has expressly granted) to NC Interactive and its related Game Content Providers a non-exclusive, universal, perpetual, irrevocable, royalty-free, sublicenseable right to exercise all rights of any kind or nature associated with such Member Content, and all ancillary and subsidiary rights thereto, in any languages and media now known or not currently known. You shall indemnify and hold NC Interactive and its affiliates harmless from and against any claims by third parties that your Member Content infringes upon, violates or misappropriates any of their intellectual property or other proprietary rights.



clearly it gets complicated but your stuff is yours and mine is mine. within reasonably resposible usage of that stuff. Ill try to find the law that identifies it as such its not to recent a suit. So it will take me time i had an arguement with my inlaws about i.p. rights when peope were selling property on secondlife for real money.

okay its not dr,ed, nerf that was a bit extreme.....
i take that back this is new content i just want these thigs adressed